PSA: GMs are banning players for attendance.

I've tried that before and it doesn't work (a long time ago, so maybe they changed it?) The killer must be similarly leveled to the monster and the leachers must be similarly leveled to the killer or the monster to leach. (e.g. you can't leach a level 30 monster from a level 40 killer when you are level 100, you are too high above the killer for the party kill to count.)

To the OP: Did the mob killer get banned too or just the leachers? You didn't have any cuss words or inappropriate conversation did you? (Maybe the GM hit the wrong option on the drop down box and meant language or w/e they call that ban.) If you didn't see the GM maybe you triggered auto ban (since it's not perma - only live GM can perma ban). How fast did you kill those monsters? (And why do sever people say it's a perma ban, the ss shows a date when the person can log in again?)

We have used 4th job Lumi for kill duty. You are unable to leech the exp but were able to leech the killed mobs (from what I saw on my mules). 1st victim was never partied at us at any given time. I stalk him, start my main, he logs and gets banned for no reason. We never used any rude/offensive language when doing these characters. Two attackers got banned at the same time (one was me when I didn't party them that time) while only one leecher was trying to talk to a GM, there or not. 30 day ban for him. Rest was perm. Time wise, I get each person's done in about 1-2 minutes cause I try to chat in messages while I kill. The person killing for me and my friends took about 3-5 minutes (he was THAT SLOW). Note that we were in Kerning Square Yeti Claw Machines (dolls were kills too) so a Luminous could easily take out the mobs fast (Reflection hitting 8 monsters at a time). It was a great plan, not even an exploit. Lots of other people were doing this too, yet ban hammered. I honestly don't care if I miss the unique pots, but missing out on scrolls that I'll probably never get again after all of this work is just..... Wow...

Also, mine and the other two perm banned got this. No date soooo...

Assuming you've been repeating this tactic since the beginning, it's pretty bs that you don't get banned until 1 day before it's finished. I mean, if leeching kills to farm attendance mules is illegal, shouldn't they ban you like 3 days in? No, the ban hammer happens when you are almost at the finish line.

it really does feel like there are some really lazy GMs lately

Not lazy so much as poorly trained, careless, rushed, outsourced GMs.
Realize that somehow its cheaper for Nexon to outsource the GM banning jobs to other companies who would charge them minimum wage x2 or x3 (to include overhead and profit), than having their own minimum wage people do the job. The only way this could be cheaper is if the outsourced GMs are banning much faster than in-house GMs would, so obviously accuracy is going to be horrible.
Why waste time trying to chase down a real hacker who can switch channels every second, when you can easily ban this whole group here just hanging on ropes; who's gonna know?
The Nexon manager sees 10 bans/hour from in-house GM vs 20 bans/hour from BansRUs Inc for the same or less money, and thinks that must be a good thing, never considering that most of the bans may be bogus.
Banning being outsourced also explains why the people at Nexon know nothing and can do nothing about the banning.

ya its a profit loss if you ban legits though

ya its a profit loss if you ban legits though

No it's not, in fact it's a profit gain because most of you "legit's" are so determined to play that you'll just start over.

"It'll be better this time! I know the shortcuts! I won't make the same mistakes". Look [MENTION=24]Chameleonic[/MENTION]; he's been complaining about his "false" ban for years yet he still continued to play. I can name like 8 people in khaini who seasonally have some type of epiphany or get hacked/banned yet come back.

Masochists are predictable with their addictions

No it's not, in fact it's a profit gain because most of you "legit's" are so determined to play that you'll just start over.

"It'll be better this time! I know the shortcuts! I won't make the same mistakes". Look [MENTION=24]Chameleonic[/MENTION]; he's been complaining about his "false" ban for years yet he still continued to play. I can name like 8 people in khaini who seasonally have some type of epiphany or get hacked/banned yet come back.

Masochists are predictable with their addictions

You're right there are probably many that would do that. I'm just going to wait for a response and go from there. Spent too much time to start over on a new account.

It's sad, but it's true. I'd think people would be discouraged from buying any NX when the players sees stuff like this happening on a daily basis, at least for me anyway. I'd admit that I like playing the game, but spending any NX would sound like a bad idea since you can get banned for any reason, including by GMs that don't know anything about their own game.

It's sad, but it's true. I'd think people would be discouraged from buying any NX when the players sees stuff like this happening on a daily basis, at least for me anyway. I'd admit that I like playing the game, but spending any NX would sound like a bad idea since you can get banned for any reason, including by GMs that don't know anything about their own game.

I kinda had to stop buying NX cause I need to start saving... XD
But now they have cube packages and inventory increasing? WHY?! D:

packages aren't anything special

No it's not, in fact it's a profit gain because most of you "legit's" are so determined to play that you'll just start over.

"It'll be better this time! I know the shortcuts! I won't make the same mistakes". Look [MENTION=24]Chameleonic[/MENTION]; he's been complaining about his "false" ban for years yet he still continued to play. I can name like 8 people in khaini who seasonally have some type of epiphany or get hacked/banned yet come back.

Masochists are predictable with their addictions

Making it sound like I'd go back on a mule account just to play more. Even if I wanted to, I can't unless I make another Steam account just to get on. Plus starting back from 100% square one? No extra characters for link skills and space? No thanks. Also this was planned since 2nd season by a lot of people. I've seen tons of people doing the same thing.... Another thing, if I was HACKED, okay fine, I still have my characters, I can pick up cause I sealed my stuff. The unsealed ones on the other hand? Big deal, I can get those again later. To me, it's the time and money spent in a game (with awful customer service) that would make someone quit if they get banned and can't get the account back at all. Only obsessed people who know they can pick themselves up back from square one with their own money would really do that IMO (that or people who just don't care about being banned again... Come on that'd get annoying...).

If any of you have went to kerning square you would see a mess load of chars being leech for kills. I watched 70 chars with similar igns coins45,coins46,etc pop in and out of the map like clock work getting the kills. Nexon most likely was cracking down on those who are abusing the crap out of the event. The same way they took special procedures to make hot time boxes for level 30 chars instead of level 10. In addition to that the chain bans that a couple users got for creating to many maple accounts in a short period of time.

The GM was probably following orders to ban anyone that he saw leeching kills. Lets not forget hackers are also doing this event and doing the same tactics that you guys were using, but with bots.

Sorry to hear you guys got banned.

Oh pomegranate, that's horrible. Well there are worse cases where people have been permanently banned from doing similar things as this in terms of the events. I really don't know what to say, I'm rather skeptical about training due to all these massive threads on the Nexon forums saying they've been banned unfairly. I hope we can get a response on this problem soon because it's clearly getting out of hand.

We have used 4th job Lumi for kill duty. You are unable to leech the exp but were able to leech the killed mobs (from what I saw on my mules). 1st victim was never partied at us at any given time. I stalk him, start my main, he logs and gets banned for no reason. We never used any rude/offensive language when doing these characters. Two attackers got banned at the same time (one was me when I didn't party them that time) while only one leecher was trying to talk to a GM, there or not. 30 day ban for him. Rest was perm. Time wise, I get each person's done in about 1-2 minutes cause I try to chat in messages while I kill. The person killing for me and my friends took about 3-5 minutes (he was THAT SLOW). Note that we were in Kerning Square Yeti Claw Machines (dolls were kills too) so a Luminous could easily take out the mobs fast (Reflection hitting 8 monsters at a time). It was a great plan, not even an exploit. Lots of other people were doing this too, yet ban hammered. I honestly don't care if I miss the unique pots, but missing out on scrolls that I'll probably never get again after all of this work is just..... Wow...

Also, mine and the other two perm banned got this. No date soooo...

Oh that's so lame. -_- But thanks for the warning, I often leach people so I'll have to be careful. They must have fixed/broke the leach a kill thing, last time I tried was probably over a year ago and it didn't work with high levels then. (Thought I could smash through some quests with my bishop killing stuff fast, but not at that time.)

How... how do you have so many computers? :f6:

I've always had several computers. Back in the days I used to play LAN games with 2-4 computers. Eventually it's time to upgrade and my husband and I each get one new computer, then all the computers move down the line. Once a computer reaches the stage where it can't run my favorite games anymore it gets donated away. We usually buy new computers every 4 years or so. (Therefore some of them don't "play" maple very well and can't go through towns, but they can afk on a rope, be a store, or collect scrolls in a DM run.)

so you were all sitting on ropes doing nothing, and a gm bans you all because it looks like you're botting.

if you don't want to be banned for hacking, don't do things that make you look like you're hacking.

multi clienting is what it looked like you were doing, which, as the client doesn't inherently let you run multiple instances, is considered an exploit.

gm sees six people leeching off one guy, not doing anything, must be a hacker exploiting the event. ding dong bannu.

Since when is having more than 1 account with more than 1 computer bannable?

Eh didn't nexon release something about it's stance on leeching or something? That or they consider your method a "glitch" or abuse by not doing the even as intended. Again, I'll repeat it, these type of things should be expected, it's you choice to play after nexon has made it inherently clear that you are not a customer.

As for Mesos Vs NX, it's a bannable offense because of the legality behind it. By being able to purchase $5 for 5k NX points, then sell those NX points for mesos, they are giving a real life value to their software, which would make their gambling like services illegal. Even though it clearly still happens, nexon has made it clear they don't condone it and will punish those who are found doing it.

[MENTION=7450]MuscleWizard[/MENTION];

I don't know what sh`itty game you're helping manage(godhelpit) but you can't ban someone in that fashion without a legitimate reason/proof. Gm's in maplestory have to write reports on why they banned these users, they don't go on a hunch and do it willy nilly. There is a bureaucratic system involved, no matter how tedious and stupid it is.

Well I just read through 70% of the Term of Use about Nexon, ignored all the miscellaneous stuff that doesn't apply normally.
There is nothing about in-game trading with NX.

Of course, they and many other big corporations have protected themselves by making people accept that the company can do whatever they want whenever they please without notifying you (with reasonable discretion).
However, I do not doubt that MANY people have been wronged and have never/will never be compensated.

While I agree that the company should have full authority to allow/disallow/terminate/suspend users, I disagree that they state they hold no responsibility in doing so.
It just establishes that they don't give a damn about you but they're willing to take your money. They've made it absolutely clear several times that you will not be refunded, and if there is an error in the transaction, you will be banned, whether purposely or adherent.

Unfortunately, none of us have the power to force them to be a moral, fair and diligent company - so that whenever someone abuses their power, they get away with it.
It really doesn't make sense to me, they can lose a lot of business that way (albeit they still make millions).

I've been banned on GunZ before for being "too good". I was 21-0 at level 3 and they just kicked me off the server. Good times.


Oh, did I mention they updated their "username restrictions"? It's funny so I'll tell you what is or isn't allowed.

No iconic username that represents any figure i.e. batman, tonystark (isn't that funny? I've seen millions of names like these)
No username that has any religious affiliation.
No username that represents anything to do with criminal activity
No username that is a sentence/partial sentence (I mean come on, really?) i.e. youwillnotsurvive (LOL, something that harmless is bannable).
No username with any leet speak (now we're just getting too picky) i.e. iarenoob
No username with any rank or title (when and where did they comprise this and what magic mushroom did they eat?) i.e. Queen, major, king, lord, sergeant, captain

Well I just read through 70% of the Term of Use about Nexon, ignored all the miscellaneous stuff that doesn't apply normally.
There is nothing about in-game trading with NX.

I'll give you another shot to correct yourself before I do it for you :|

Of course, they and many other big corporations have protected themselves by making people accept that the company can do whatever they want whenever they please without notifying you (with reasonable discretion).
However, I do not doubt that MANY people have been wronged and have never/will never be compensated.

Not sure who's arguing this as there have been multiple times in the past nexon has done false bans. Discussing the reason behind it is important as "randomly" doesn't add any significance to the situation. No one is arguing whether it's a mistake or not, but it's childish to just assume "HEY, I'M A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY ARE BULLYING ME".

While I agree that the company should have full authority to allow/disallow/terminate/suspend users, I disagree that they state they hold no responsibility in doing so.
It just establishes that they don't give a damn about you but they're willing to take your money. They've made it absolutely clear several times that you will not be refunded, and if there is an error in the transaction, you will be banned, whether purposely or adherent.

Preaching to the wrong guy. I think everyone who plays this game is a closet masochist. I won't say stupid because not everyone plays the game for the sake of the vicious boss cycle they have developed. But I laugh at any "derp I'm a beta player and I remember when wizet made this game perfectly, you guys just dont know how corrupted it got". It's take these players specifically almost 10 years to figure out Nexon isn't for their better interest. Wizet was replaced 6 months after the games release, although the announcement was about a year total. After the leaving of Girasol, I don't know how players continue to play knowing that nexon is intentionally just trying to make the game more difficult than necessary.

Unfortunately, none of us have the power to force them to be a moral, fair and diligent company - so that whenever someone abuses their power, they get away with it.
It really doesn't make sense to me, they can lose a lot of business that way (albeit they still make millions).

I've been banned on GunZ before for being "too good". I was 21-0 at level 3 and they just kicked me off the server. Good times.

Nexon has a really annoying bureaucratic system when it comes to bannning. They aren't always right but it's impossible to prove them wrong as half the time they dont even give you a reason. Also, the reason they are so successful is because people live under a rock. Look at some of these threads on the server checks about people trying to defend their choices, saying "It could be worse". It's that exact mindset that makes us settle for mediocrity. You want to point out that you don't agree with their decisions? Quit. That's the strongest most reliable message you can give them.

Oh, did I mention they updated their "username restrictions"? It's funny so I'll tell you what is or isn't allowed.

No iconic username that represents any figure i.e. batman, tonystark (isn't that funny? I've seen millions of names like these)
No username that has any religious affiliation.
No username that represents anything to do with criminal activity
No username that is a sentence/partial sentence (I mean come on, really?) i.e. youwillnotsurvive (LOL, something that harmless is bannable).
No username with any leet speak (now we're just getting too picky) i.e. iarenoob
No username with any rank or title (when and where did they comprise this and what magic mushroom did they eat?) i.e. Queen, major, king, lord, sergeant, captain

Which is why no one's first point should be "I WAS 100% legit", I'm even skeptical of people who try to claim "ive never touched a duped item", especially when white scrolls were available.

There's nothing to correct. Therein lies of the code of conduct nothing that says you cannot trade legitimate mesos for legitimate NX.
REAL world trading is a legality issue.

Oh, of course they've done false bans. Corporations that are solely in it for the money and have no moral guidelines whatsoever have always falsely banned others.
I think I saw somewhere in there along the lines of this: "By agreeing to ____ you hereby accept that you dismiss your moral rights blah blah blah". I've never met a more money hungry company than Nexon, however, yes, I still play it.

I never thought and never will think they made the game perfectly. I'm actually pretty astounded at how smart they are. It used to be less of an NX based game but they changed that completely. Making 70% and 30% scrolls with chances to destroy items.
Making VEGA scrolls to enhance your % success. Making hammers to upgrade your slots. Making protection scrolls. Making it so the EE scrolls get only slightly useful but have a higher chance of failure the more you use them. Hyper rocks, expansion to inventories, a hell of a lot more untradable items that need to be Sok'd or Psok'd. Potential, bonus potential. You name it. They've done a fine job of sucking in cash. And like you said, even though they don't give two flying poops about you, we still buy NX.


But even if people have had a duped item and were unaware, it still qualifies as legitimate since you had absolutely no idea nor could you possibly have.
I have played absolutely legitimately within reasonable bounds.

So in technicality, no not everyone is following the ToS to the T. However, let's give an example. I rule the world and I say you're only allowed to walk a certain way. It's a stupid rule and people aren't going to follow it because it's a stupid rule.

This argument really isn't necessary here.
Bottom line is something is going on with the bans that are happening that doesn't seem right. We can only hope Nexon does something about it. That's it.

Since when is having more than 1 account with more than 1 computer bannable?

Since the released hired merchant shops and wanted you to use those rather than paying a mere 1800 NX for 90 days worth of your level 16 character selling all your wares while you actually play your main character. But then again, that kinda died when everything started requiring 1 PSoK per transaction. >__>

Anyway, companies can make whatever rules they want. In this case, your rememdy is to read the ToS, decide that it's total pineappagranite and never even bother with the game in the first place.

Though I will say the inconsistency really does suck. They put things in their ToS that they don't enforce, decide to ban for unwritten rules, and the appeal system is basically a set of rules that say your only option is to place your appeal in the official Nexon Paper Shredder and Coffee Maker combo machine, and if you attempt any other form of communication, they'll point you towards the "proper" appeal system.

There's nothing to correct. Therein lies of the code of conduct nothing that says you cannot trade legitimate mesos for legitimate NX.
REAL world trading is a legality issue.

You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise.

Meso would qualify under that ambiguous description.

Oh, of course they've done false bans. Corporations that are solely in it for the money and have no moral guidelines whatsoever have always falsely banned others.
I think I saw somewhere in there along the lines of this: "By agreeing to ____ you hereby accept that you dismiss your moral rights blah blah blah". I've never met a more money hungry company than Nexon, however, yes, I still play it.

EVERY company TOS has something along those lines. Name a game and I can find it.

But even if people have had a duped item and were unaware, it still qualifies as legitimate since you had absolutely no idea nor could you possibly have.
I have played absolutely legitimately within reasonable bounds.

No. If that were the case then anytime hackers were mass selling chairs/scrolls and/or meso transactions that were illegitimately generated, players would have not been banned. It's considered exploiting by nexon's POV and has been treated as such.

So in technicality, no not everyone is following the ToS to the T. However, let's give an example. I rule the world and I say you're only allowed to walk a certain way. It's a stupid rule and people aren't going to follow it because it's a stupid rule.

It doesn't matter, the fact is that is the rule. You can call it stupid till you're blue in the face, but if they ban you randomly because you revealed your real name or any private information, then they have the right too.