What is Online Gambling?

Show me the free Gachapon.
Indirect Consideration is still Consideration.

Surveys give free gachapon. As do events with starting characters. And no it's not, your point is moot at the point of NX transaction. You're just playing stupid and ignoring my actual facts.

Nx is not money, it reflects no value. You're paying 25 dollars to own credit within the game, it's merely easier to manage by making it 1k to 1 dollar. That is a management policy, not a value policy. The law does not see 1 dollar equaling 1000 nx points, just that you're paying $25 to gain a private company credit that is determined specifically by them. You could pay 25 dollars and get 100 nx, that determination is simply done by them. That credit gives you access to exclusive content, that isn't specific to gambling, in fact the options of how to spend the credit is so broad that it can't be proven nor considered.

You do realize there was a case about this like 6 months to a year ago, and they couldn't prove squat?

Surveys give free gachapon. As do events with starting characters. And no it's not, your point is moot at the point of NX transaction. You're just playing stupid and ignoring my actual facts.

If you're referring to the Tot's Gachapon, that's an entirely different system with a prize pool comprised of only worthless items.
Surveys don't give free Gachapon. Surveys are "volunteered" labor that allows one to "earn" NX points because of the various companies that are in contract that give a fractional payment to Nexon.

If you're referring to the Tot's Gachapon, that's an entirely different system with a prize pool comprised of only worthless items.
Surveys don't give free Gachapon. Surveys are "volunteered" labor that allows one to "earn" NX points because of the various companies that are in contract that give a fractional payment to Nexon.

Surveys are advertised as a free method to get NX, which is an alternative method that does not cost money, therefore is not exclusive to purchase. Even though that point is moot to begin with as NX is not equivalent to money, and is not viewed by any law as such, including texas.

Surveys are advertised as a free method to get NX, which is an alternative method that does not cost money, therefore is not exclusive to purchase. Even though that point is moot to begin with as NX is not equivalent to money, and is not viewed by any law as such, including texas.

Money is still changing hands, and a financial transaction is still being a prerequisite to use Gachapon.

Money is still changing hands.

Not from the consumer, so it's irrelevant. The person has to perform a task to gain the NX, that's the end of it. Again, doesn't matter because NX is not equal to money nor recognized by any law as a form of currency.

Not from the consumer, so it's irrelevant. The person has to perform a task to gain the NX, that's the end of it. Again, doesn't matter because NX is not equal to money nor recognized by any law as a form of currency.

Indirect Consideration is still Consideration.

Indirect Consideration is still Consideration.

Link what you're referring to like I asked a page and a half ago. SO I can take that apart like every other argument you have put up.

Edit: I'm pretty sure it's this;

(4) "Gambling device" means any electronic, electromechanical, or mechanical contrivance not excluded under Paragraph (B) that for a consideration affords the player an opportunity to obtain anything of value, the award of which is determined solely or partially by chance, even though accompanied by some skill, whether or not the prize is automatically paid by the contrivance.

But I'll wait until you post so that you don't miss anything.

Please refrain from intentionally bypassing the censors.

Fuck

OT: What Nexon does is not considered Gambling. You can do Gacha, call it gambling, but it still isn't gambling since you are guaranteed a prize, despite it being a shitty prize.

This is so frelcking hilarious.

Link what you're referring to like I asked a page and a half ago. SO I can take that apart like every other argument you have put up.

Me too. I want to read this.

This is so frelcking hilarious.



Me too. I want to read this.

Link what you're referring to like I asked a page and a half ago. SO I can take that apart like every other argument you have put up.

Edit: I'm pretty sure it's this;



But I'll wait until you post so that you don't miss anything.

sure thing hon

what is this about gambling everyone is talking about? i paid some shop 20 bucks and they gave me an NX card.

i used the NX to buy a VIP eye and face ticket where i could choose what to get, i then used the remaining NX to buy myself a mush shop so that i could sell the stuff i've gotten from playing the game.

then i bought a royal hair coupon, which states that i will get a random hairstyle, which i did, shame i didn't like it though, but i got what i paid for, a random hairstyle.

i don't see any gambling in this, why are you saying that NX is used for gambling?

what is this about gambling everyone is talking about? i paid some shop 20 bucks and they gave me an NX card.

i used the NX to buy a VIP eye and face ticket where i could choose what to get, i then used the remaining NX to buy myself a mush shop so that i could sell the stuff i've gotten from playing the game.

then i bought a royal hair coupon, which states that i will get a random hairstyle, which i did, shame i didn't like it though, but i got what i paid for, a random hairstyle.

i don't see any gambling in this, why are you saying that NX is used for gambling?

idunno man

Well ok, the gachapon and the marvel machine are online gambling machines with online currency (Mesos/NX and i say mesos because with mesos you can buy NX from others).

Now... what's your point again? like, what do you want saying this? I think every game i have played has a gambling machine/system in some way or the other. now if you use it or not it's your problem.

With just using your money in the game you are scamming yourself because it doesn't have any value (other than self satisfaction seeing an increase in your damage or funds) and then the problem are not the gambling machines. It's the game itself. Now i ask you, if you think this sucks, why are you playing? I know this is probably a stupid game, with a vicious circle, and i have spend a considerable amount of money in it. And i am still playing.

idunno man

Spin the Marvel Machine once to reveal three "marvelous" in-game and cash items for you to keep.

i did a lot of spins last time, every time i got three items that i could keep, so i got exactly what was advertised, still not seeing the gambling.

i did a lot of spins last time, every time i got three items that i could keep, so i got exactly what was advertised, still not seeing the gambling.

You were saying?

Nexon pineappleed up. They admitted it was a raffle. The proceeds aren't going to charity.
[video=youtube;Seq7MtKJGhM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seq7MtKJGhM[/video]

sure thing hon

That's cute, but if you actually read the f`ucking thing;

a.1) Electronic video monitor.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he owns, operates, maintains, places into operation or has a financial interest in an electronic video monitor or business that owns, operates, maintains or places into operation or has a financial interest in an electronic video monitor:
(1) which is offered or made available to persons to play or participate in a simulated gambling program for direct or indirect consideration, including consideration associated with a related product, service or activity; and
(2) for which the person playing the simulated gambling program may become eligible for a cash or cash-equivalent prize, whether or not the eligibility for or value of the cash or cash-equivalent prize is determined by or has any relationship to the outcome of or play of the simulated gambling program.

When it comes to legal stuff, one of the most important stuff to look for is and/or. Let's break down this shall we princess?

(1) which is offered or made available to persons to play or participate in a simulated gambling program for direct or indirect consideration, including consideration associated with a related product, service or activity;

Damn strong argument here, maybe I was wrong. I mean gacha and cubes are pretty much gambling program that nexon advertises even with events for you to consider spending said points with that.

AND

A secondary condition!? OH SH`IT, LETS CHECK THIS OUT SHALL WE.

for which the person playing the simulated gambling program may become eligible for a cash or cash-equivalent prize, whether or not the eligibility for or value of the cash or cash-equivalent prize is determined by or has any relationship to the outcome of or play of the simulated gambling program.

UH, WHAT, GACHAPON GIVES CASH PRIZES, WHAT THE F`UCK I'MMA PLAY MAPLESTORY AGAIN THEN. And before you go on about how "OH, WELL, THEY HOLD REAL VALUE, EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN'T TANGIBLE DERRRP DERRP DRERPPPREPREPPERPE SEIZUER".


http://www.nexon.net/legal/terms-of-use/

For each "real world" U.S. Dollar that you authorize us to charge to your credit card, you will be awarded one thousand (1000) units of Nexon Cash; provided, however, that we reserve the right in our sole discretion at any time to change the number of units you will be entitled to for each "real world" U.S. Dollar

See that? You aren't "compensated", you're giving nexon the authority to charge and because of your generosity are given 1k points as a reward. Not only that but;

These Game Points have no "real world" value, but may be exchanged by you for designated Cash Items in the Cash Shop.

A secondary market maybe generated which because of Nexon's TOS, is illegal. So even if you were to argue the "black market" creates a value, the enforcement of the TOS legally protects them, as it states that in game items cannot be traded for real currency. That is how they avoid these regulations and taxation to begin with. And yes, it is being enforced as they have taken legal action against the most common black market websites.
I apologize, that is not the most recent TOS available. The most recent also has the following which reinforces my argument;

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[/SIZE]You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise.

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You were saying?

Nexon pineappleed up. They admitted it was a raffle. The proceeds aren't going to charity.

uhh what, according to the dictionary:

A lottery in which a number of persons buy chances to win a prize.

you aren't buying chances to win a prize here though, you are getting a prize, 3 of them in fact, every time you spin.
so if anything nexon doesn't know what a raffle is, you do get promised 3 prizes every time, whether you like them or not doesn't make this an illegal gamble.

so i'm still not seeing how this is gambling, all i see is nexon not knowing that in raffles not everyone wins.

uhh what, according to the dictionary:


you aren't buying chances to buy a prize here though, you are getting a prize, 3 of them in fact, every time you spin.
so if anything nexon doesn't know what a raffle is, you do get promised 3 prizes every time, whether you like them or not doesn't make this an illegal gamble.

so i'm still not seeing how this is gambling, all i see is nexon not knowing that in raffles not everyone wins.

Nexon asserted that they were conducting a raffle. They aren't a non-profit organization.

And why is it illegal to do a raffle? Ya know, after you ignored my entire post which shuts you the f`uck up?

I am still waiting for an answer sir.
What do you want to prove? That nexon is illegal? That this game sucks? That you are wasting your life and money like everybody here including me in this game?