The Inner Ability Thread

After 3000+ special circulators, the RNG throws this at me,

Since it would be silly to re-circ over this, I guess I'm going to have to give up on the +1 atk speed IA. :C

After a 3000+ special circulators, the RNG throws this at me,

Since it would be silly to re-circ over this, I guess I'm going to have to give up on the +1 atk speed IA. :C

God damn it, I'm jelly. I'd re-circulate my 10% Boss Damage for a S-Rank Boss Damage line, but I don't think I'd get lucky again with only less than 200 Special Circulators on hand at the moment.

Unless you tell me that you have 100% boss damage right now, the benefit from +1 attack speed IA comes nowhere close to 20% boss damage.

Hadriel

At this very moment I have 108% Bonus damage from both Total damage and Boss damage. (Not counting the IA)

Total Damage
15% Staff Potential
12% Dojo Glove*
10% Kanna Link
10% E.staff Bonus**
------------------------
47% total damage

Boss
25% Nebulite
15% Dojo Glove*
10% Demon Slayer
11% Character Cards
---------------------------
61% Boss Damage


* Could be higher when I occasionally get a top 10 dojo glove.
**Not 100% sure if E.Staffs have had their respective bonuses fixed yet.

And after going through thousands of special circs, I have pretty much given up on the +1 atk speed IA.

At this very moment I have 108% Bonus damage from both Total damage and Boss damage. (Not counting the IA)

The speeds for CL are:
Normal(6): 780ms
Fast(4): 690ms <- Booster brings you here, I think.
Faster(3): 660ms
Faster(2): 600ms

Dunno what other speed boosts you have, but if you go from 4->3, the damage bonus is 690/660, which is only +4.5% damage, if you go from 3->2, the damage bonus is 660/600, which is +10% damage.

 Math

If we take your damage increase due to boss damage and set it equal to the damage boost from the increased attack speed:
Variables: d - total bonus damage (without boss), b - boss damage, i - damage increase, all in percentages.
1 + i/100 = [1 + (d+b)/100]/[1 + d/100]

Solving for d:
(1 + i/100)(1 + d/100) = [1 + (d+b)/100]
1 + d/100 + i/100 + id/10000 = 1 + (d+b)/100
100 + d + i + id/100 = 100 + d + b
i + id/100 = b
id/100 = b - i
d = 100(b-i)/i

So if we take the damage increase values:
Fast(4) -> Faster(3)
b = 20
i = 4.5
d = 100(20 - 4.5)/4.5 = 344% Total Bonus Damage

Faster(3) -> Faster(2)
b = 20
i = 10
d = 100(20 - 10)/10 = 100% Total Bonus Damage

If you're going from Fast(4) -> Faster(3), the damage increase is only +4.5%, so you need more than 344% total damage for +1 Attack Speed to be better than +20% Boss.
If you're going from Faster(3) -> Faster(2), the damage increase is +10%, so you'd need more than 100% total damage for it +1 Attack Speed to be better than +20% Boss.

Also, don't forget Arcane Aim and Storm Magic, and possibly also Infinity, when counting total damage bonuses.

The speeds for GC are:

Would you mind doing the math for Glacier Chain too?

Would you mind doing the math for Glacier Chain too?

Normal(6): 1050ms
Fast(4): 930ms
Faster(3): 870ms
Faster(2): 810ms

4->3 is an increase of 6.9%, 3->2 is 7.4%. You can't spam it though, can you? There's a bit of a delay isn't there? But the delay between each attack should be the same, I guess, so the damage bonus should at least be roughly the same.

From 4->3, you'd need more 189% damage for increased attack speed to be better than 20% boss, and more than 170% damage from 3->2.

The delay IIRC is a physical delay caused by something (I don't know what... animation maybe?) that stops you from spamming Chain-type skills (BaMs suffer from this too). If you want to spam Glacial Chains, then you should be using GC -> CL -> GC. I don't know why but this is what was observed over videos.

Couldn't do the math in the morning because I was rushing to lectures. Thanks iAmFear.

Hadriel

Normal(6): 1050ms
Fast(4): 930ms
Faster(3): 870ms
Faster(2): 810ms

4->3 is an increase of 6.9%, 3->2 is 7.4%. You can't spam it though, can you? There's a bit of a delay isn't there? But the delay between each attack should be the same, I guess, so the damage bonus should at least be roughly the same.

From 4->3, you'd need more 189% damage for increased attack speed to be better than 20% boss, and more than 170% damage from 3->2.

Thanks, like hadriel said, my brother observed that behavior relatively early so I was just going to average out the percent increases for him and proceed to tease him for circulating over his 17% Boss.

Now, why couldn't this be on my Phantom. Also, how useful is this for a Bishop?

Now, why couldn't this be on my Phantom. Also, how useful is this for a Bishop?

LolHSextention

LolHSextention

I meant other than that! After all, I already have Buff Mastery and I'm in the process of training a Mechanic for another 15% buff duration.

I meant other than that! After all, I already have Buff Mastery and I'm in the process of training a Mechanic for another 15% buff duration.

Well, I'd say 32% buff duration can't be USELESS. It can keep you from having to buff while training. XD

Well, I'd say 32% buff duration can't be USELESS. It can keep you from having to buff while training. XD

On the other hand, my Bishop does need quite a bit of a stat boost. This is interesting though, I may have do keep doing Aswan for coins so that my Phantom can get something nice after the rebalance is out.

- buff duration +32% -

Now, why couldn't this be on my Phantom. Also, how useful is this for a Bishop?

Longer lasting Infinity, Shell, Stance (if you have Mihile link skill).

I managed to get 14% boss damage using circulators from just leveling 1-30. How rare is this and should I aim for higher or leave as is? I'm a Kaiser btw.

Rare enough and good enough that you won't get a better DPS boost when bossing. For a very long time. Unless you tell me you have something like >50% boss/total, or you have terribad amounts of WA (eventually!) that a 20-ish WA IA gives you more DPS boost than many other things.

Hadriel

 Spoiler

Am I doing it good ?

It's good for now, but that is by no means a top tier IA.

OK, I'm not going to post my inner ability just yet (I'm level 21 so what's the point ) but, let's say I was to get critical rate 30% on my phantom, would it be useful to use SE anymore? or should I just stick with the two card combos?