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FabledGumbo Wrote:What now? I started playing this recently and made a slayer because my friends were telling me that they were the hands down best DPS class.

Eh, they are pretty good, but definitely not best, at survivability or at DPS. After archer revamp, they are probably tied for 3rd in DPS, and they have the least survivability of any class.

Not that it matters, any class can solo up to MCNM if they have good enough gear and skill.
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Flonne Wrote:Eh, they are pretty good, but definitely not best, at survivability or at DPS. After archer revamp, they are probably tied for 3rd in DPS, and they have the least survivability of any class.

Not that it matters, any class can solo up to MCNM if they have good enough gear and skill.

I'm not necessarily concerned with the difference between pretty good and absolute best, but I'm a little worried about the discrepancy between your information and the other information I got. I can only assume you're putting berserkers in the #1 or #2 spot in that list, and I was told that prior to some recent buff that berserkers were so laughably bad that parties wouldn't even take them.

Additionally, I'm curious about the significance of class/race pairing. I read a few posts back about how Elins were the uncontested best race for both warriors and lancers because of their small hitboxes and large range, but that's obviously not something that's prominently displayed. I also went with Castanic because of some kind of crit bonus. Anyway, could you shed some light on the best class and race pairings and why they're the best? I'd also like to hear some about a class tier list and what it is that makes certain classes more desirable than others.
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FabledGumbo Wrote:I'm not necessarily concerned with the difference between pretty good and absolute best, but I'm a little worried about the discrepancy between your information and the other information I got. I can only assume you're putting berserkers in the #1 or #2 spot in that list, and I was told that prior to some recent buff that berserkers were so laughably bad that parties wouldn't even take them.

Additionally, I'm curious about the significance of class/race pairing. I read a few posts back about how Elins were the uncontested best race for both warriors and lancers because of their small hitboxes and large range, but that's obviously not something that's prominently displayed. I also went with Castanic because of some kind of crit bonus. Anyway, could you shed some light on the best class and race pairings and why they're the best? I'd also like to hear some about a class tier list and what it is that makes certain classes more desirable than others.

Castanic is fine in most cases if you absolutely don't want Elin.

Zerker in DPS is about tied with Slayer, honestly, though that's only if the Slayer is alive; zerk is much easier to stay alive on, MUCH easier, so their DPS can be higher simply because they aren't dead. Currently I tie them at #2. Sorc is #1 DPS regardless, archer will be #2 after the revamp.

(by the way, people don't take zerkers because lancers are assholes and want all the plate drops)
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Flonne Wrote:Castanic is fine in most cases if you absolutely don't want Elin.

Zerker in DPS is about tied with Slayer, honestly, though that's only if the Slayer is alive; zerk is much easier to stay alive on, MUCH easier, so their DPS can be higher simply because they aren't dead. Currently I tie them at #2. Sorc is #1 DPS regardless, archer will be #2 after the revamp.

(by the way, people don't take zerkers because lancers are assholes and want all the plate drops)

No, I definitely care more about optimizing my class/race combination more than I care about a race's aesthetics (which I think would be obvious because Castanic's horns are seriously awful). I really just want some sound information from a lategame perspective. It also really sounds like there's no real reason for me to play a Slayer since a Berserker sounds more like my style anyway, but I opted to play one because one of my friends was already playing a Berserker and I was told that Slayers were far and away the best option.

Based on the somewhat limited information I've gathered, it sounds like I should be playing a sorcerer and a lancer since I really don't want to play more than 2 different characters and I've got more interest in damage dealing/tanking than I do in healing. Assuming I go with that, which races should I pick for those two? Elin for both?

Also, is there any reason for me to pick something other than those two?
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FabledGumbo Wrote:No, I definitely care more about optimizing my class/race combination more than I care about a race's aesthetics (which I think would be obvious because Castanic's horns are seriously awful). I really just want some sound information from a lategame perspective. It also really sounds like there's no real reason for me to play a Slayer since a Berserker sounds more like my style anyway, but I opted to play one because one of my friends was already playing a Berserker and I was told that Slayers were far and away the best option.

Based on the somewhat limited information I've gathered, it sounds like I should be playing a sorcerer and a lancer since I really don't want to play more than 2 different characters and I've got more interest in damage dealing/tanking than I do in healing. Assuming I go with that, which races should I pick for those two? Elin for both?

Also, is there any reason for me to pick something other than those two?

I posted a list a few pages back going over the pros and cons of each class; I have all 8 classes at 60, so I know how each works in decent detail. Sorc and Lancer would be the best combo, yes; everyone needs both for MC and everyone needs Lancer for everything.
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ELIN.
MAID OUTFITS.
i'm this close to shelling out $50 to get an outfit on my archer and sorcerer. ;_________;
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The way things are now, I'd say Sorcs and Zerkers have the highest DPS. Berserkers are potentially first w/ a mystic, being able to crit for over a million with every Thunder Strike almost. Honestly, in terms of MCHM (which is our endgame atm) Slayers survive longer than Berserkers. Berserkers are the least mobile and in MCHM, if you're slow, you'll probably end up dead. A good Berserker will have little to no issue, though. I don't know anything about Archers (how they are now and how they are after the Archer buff). If a Slayer is dying, then they're pretty effing bad if you ask me.

About races, Elins are generally the best for everything. They have more reach as pretty much every single Melee and have faster casting animations as a Sorc (not sure about Mystic/Priest casts). For PvP, Human and Amani are good because of that one racial they have where they take less damage when their HP is low. Castanics have that extra crit rate (Although I hardly notice a difference on my Sorc when I switched to Elin). I usually just go with whatever race I like.
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Well, I made a lancer and have been enjoying it pretty well. I tried a sorcerer and haven't been enjoying that one much, though. I guess my new plan is to play Lancer almost exclusively and then make some kind of DPS alt once I get to endgame and can twink out an alt. Right now I'm leaning towards a human berserker, but we'll see what happens.
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Well, I finally cleared MCNM. It's amazing what a group of people with actual skill are capable of; we just did the 30% burn method and it worked perfectly, she didn't even start walking until she was at about 2%. Did kind of bad on phase 1 though, since a couple of puddles were right on the spot I usually stand that is safe from arms but still allows for back crits.

Have damages on bosses been nerfed since last patch or something? I got hit by explosion once because I got walled and it barely did 50% damage, and all her other attacks were barely even denting me...then I did ACHM right after that and someone proced the electrocution stun on me by accident, I sat in a mob of 3 barzitals and barely took anything. I know my defense hasn't gone up that much since the last time I went to those.
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I'm enjoying the game and am gradually getting my friends into it, but I'm having a really hard time finding good quality information about the game. Sifting through the official forums randomly seems like it might provide periodic insights, but the vast majority of it is just worthless crap typed out in broken English. My only other real hangup is that the game doesn't seem to run particularly well on this computer, which I feel like is mostly a config issue based on some stuff I read earlier in the thread. I also had one really bad FPS drop while running SM, so I'm not sure if my graphics driver crashed and then forcefully underclocked itself or if I had whatever issue Flonne brought up earlier where the game locks your framerate around 20 FPS.
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FabledGumbo Wrote:I'm enjoying the game and am gradually getting my friends into it, but I'm having a really hard time finding good quality information about the game. Sifting through the official forums randomly seems like it might provide periodic insights, but the vast majority of it is just worthless crap typed out in broken English. My only other real hangup is that the game doesn't seem to run particularly well on this computer, which I feel like is mostly a config issue based on some stuff I read earlier in the thread. I also had one really bad FPS drop while running SM, so I'm not sure if my graphics driver crashed and then forcefully underclocked itself or if I had whatever issue Flonne brought up earlier where the game locks your framerate around 20 FPS.

What do you need to know in particular, anything you ask I'm pretty sure I can answer. Especially based on configuration stuff, I spent so much time on making it work. What are your PC specs, for one thing?
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Flonne Wrote:What do you need to know in particular, anything you ask I'm pretty sure I can answer. Especially based on configuration stuff, I spent so much time on making it work. What are your PC specs, for one thing?

This desktop's not stellar anymore, but I assume it should be more than capable of running the game on max settings without problems: i7 920 base clock (I can overclock it as high as 3.8ghz without problems if necessary), GTX285 (won't overclock much at all), 12gb 1600mhz DDR3 RAM, crappy 500gb 7200rpm hard drive (probably why other people's textures load slowly in cities). I probably just need to edit some ini files or download some already edited ones and overclock my processor again. Unless of course anti-aliasing isn't part of that, since I've never had to set up anti-aliasing outside of a game before.

My more pressing problem is that I convinced my cousin to start playing as a mystic, so I'm planning on leveling with him on a berserker, meaning I need to pick a race sooner than intended. I'm really in favor of a male human mostly because I want plate that actually looks like plate and because I don't really care for the redundancy of having 2 plate wearing Elins and nothing else on my account. If humans really aren't a terrible pick for berserkers, a little bit of reassurance there would be enough to put me over the edge of picking them purely for aesthetic purposes.
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FabledGumbo Wrote:This desktop's not stellar anymore, but I assume it should be more than capable of running the game on max settings without problems: i7 920 base clock (I can overclock it as high as 3.8ghz without problems if necessary), GTX285 (won't overclock much at all), 12gb 1600mhz DDR3 RAM, crappy 500gb 7200rpm hard drive (probably why other people's textures load slowly in cities). I probably just need to edit some ini files or download some already edited ones and overclock my processor again. Unless of course anti-aliasing isn't part of that, since I've never had to set up anti-aliasing outside of a game before.

My more pressing problem is that I convinced my cousin to start playing as a mystic, so I'm planning on leveling with him on a berserker, meaning I need to pick a race sooner than intended. I'm really in favor of a male human mostly because I want plate that actually looks like plate and because I don't really care for the redundancy of having 2 plate wearing Elins and nothing else on my account. If humans really aren't a terrible pick for berserkers, a little bit of reassurance there would be enough to put me over the edge of picking them purely for aesthetic purposes.

Your PC has higher specs than mine, and I'm now able to run at ~50-60fps average. I'll just say now that human is almost never a good choice, they have the worst hitboxes and are awkward as pineapple with skill anis; give me about 20 minutes and I'll get you a list of changes you can make at a basic level that will absurdly increase your FPS.

First off, for your PC, you will want to IGNORE the people saying to disable bSMOOTHFRAMERATE; for high end PCs, it actually helps.


[Engine.GameEngine]
bSmoothFrameRate=TRUE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=40
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=90


replace the default Engine.GameEngine segment with that in S1Engine.ini.

Another extremely important change in S1Engine.ini is



[AppCompat]
MeasuredCPUScore=212.874084
CompatLevelComposite=4
CompatLevelCPU=5
CompatLevelGPU=4
>CPUNumLogicalProcessors=4<

Add that last line, or the whole thing if the segment does not exist, some people don't have it but most do. What that does is forces the game to use all of your cores. I have 4 cores so I use a 4; if you have more, replace the 4 with the number of cores you have, I don't know what that i7 has in it. That simple change increased my FPS the most by far.

Another important thing that most people forget to do (which, if you don't do, wastes all of your effort) is make that entire config folder read only, or else every little patch we get will overwrite all the changes you make. Don't read only your entire TERA folder though, obviously; that will probably corrupt it all when a patch happens since it can't do pomegranate to existing files, and the new files will confuse the .exe.

For your GPU settings, use box supersampling without morphological filtering, morpho cuts your FPS in half and makes everything look like pomegranate, 4x anisotropic seems to be the best, it actually looks better than 8x to me. If you have an option for surface format optimization, I prefer that turned off, not much noticeable change with a bit of an FPS drop when on. I turned vsync off, but I never have issues with tearing; if you do, keep that on. If you know how to use FXAA (I don't, I have an AMD card), I've heard that helps a lot for both performance and speed, for nvidia cards.
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Flonne Wrote:Your PC has higher specs than mine, and I'm now able to run at ~50-60fps average. I'll just say now that human is almost never a good choice, they have the worst hitboxes and are awkward as pineapple with skill anis; give me about 20 minutes and I'll get you a list of changes you can make at a basic level that will absurdly increase your FPS.

That's unfortunate, but I guess it can't be helped. I'll definitely have fewer problems coming to terms with my appearance knowing that there's a good reason for choosing that race. I read something about other races being better against stationary targets because their skill animations didn't move your character like Elin's did, but I can't really tell if there's any merit to that or not or if that's even advantageous.

Also, will any of these tweaks make the game look better? Or is it sort of futile to spruce up the game beyond what you can do in the options menu?
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FabledGumbo Wrote:That's unfortunate, but I guess it can't be helped. I'll definitely have fewer problems coming to terms with my appearance knowing that there's a good reason for choosing that race. I read something about other races being better against stationary targets because their skill animations didn't move your character like Elin's did, but I can't really tell if there's any merit to that or not or if that's even advantageous.

Also, will any of these tweaks make the game look better? Or is it sort of futile to spruce up the game beyond what you can do in the options menu?

Amani is best at not getting backhit while blocking because the monster hitbox goes over you. In fact, it's the only class that can do it with a few bosses, like red kumas in BT. They hold ground very well compared to Elin for sure too, and their godly passives are plusses too, especially for plate users.

And, yes, you have no idea. Properly configured with FXAA4 and a high end PC, TERA looks like a goddamn movie.
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Flonne Wrote:Amani is best at not getting backhit while blocking because the monster hitbox goes over you. In fact, it's the only class that can do it with a few bosses, like red kumas in BT. They hold ground very well compared to Elin for sure too, and their godly passives are plusses too, especially for plate users.

And, yes, you have no idea. Properly configured with FXAA4 and a high end PC, TERA looks like a goddamn movie.

Would you say Amani is a better pick then? Assuming humans are out of the picture I couldn't care less about the aesthetics between the alternatives. Other than that, I'm excited to test out these tweaks.
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FabledGumbo Wrote:Would you say Amani is a better pick then? Assuming humans are out of the picture I couldn't care less about the aesthetics between the alternatives. Other than that, I'm excited to test out these tweaks.

Amani or Baraka, though Baraka has shorter reach so I would go for Amani if Elin didn't exist. Though, if Elin didn't exist, I probably wouldn't play. LOL
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Flonne Wrote:Amani or Baraka, though Baraka has shorter reach so I would go for Amani if Elin didn't exist. Though, if Elin didn't exist, I probably wouldn't play. LOL

You kinda lost me with that response. I don't really want to be a Baraka, so between Amani and Elin, which one would be better? As for the computer stuff, my i7 has 4 cores but 8 threads, but I'll just assume that putting 4 in the config file is the right thing to do. I'm kinda lost on the GPU config since there's not any very easy place that I know of to configure my general settings, so I'll probably download and configure FXAA when I get some spare time.
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FabledGumbo Wrote:You kinda lost me with that response. I don't really want to be a Baraka, so between Amani and Elin, which one would be better? As for the computer stuff, my i7 has 4 cores but 8 threads, but I'll just assume that putting 4 in the config file is the right thing to do. I'm kinda lost on the GPU config since there's not any very easy place that I know of to configure my general settings, so I'll probably download and configure FXAA when I get some spare time.

Elin is always the answer...but if you want utility, Amani is the best choice. I was just saying that Baraka had some merits as well, but they are pretty much canceled out by the shorter attack range they have.

The number of cores you want to set there is in Resource Monitor in the CPU tab, the number of charts on the right side of that menu is your number of cores (the CPU 0 through CPU whatever your max is, the top chart is the total and the second chart is for the upkeep and stuff on the OS/services). Also, you want to check there to be sure it doesn't say "parked" next to CPU #. If it does, google how to unpark cores, as that will be a huge factor to slow gameplay as well.
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Flonne Wrote:Elin is always the answer...but if you want utility, Amani is the best choice. I was just saying that Baraka had some merits as well, but they are pretty much canceled out by the shorter attack range they have.

The number of cores you want to set there is in Resource Monitor in the CPU tab, the number of charts on the right side of that menu is your number of cores (the CPU 0 through CPU whatever your max is, the top chart is the total and the second chart is for the upkeep and stuff on the OS/services). Also, you want to check there to be sure it doesn't say "parked" next to CPU #. If it does, google how to unpark cores, as that will be a huge factor to slow gameplay as well.

Okay, I edited the config file, made the folder read only, told it I had 8 cores based on the resource monitor, and used some kind of program to unpark the remainder of my cores. I'll worry about the GPU stuff tomorrow. Are there supposed to be those brackets by the numlogicalprocessors, by the way? Nothing else in the file was formatted that way.
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