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When I was testing Garen, I fought a couple of Cho Gaths and completely dominated them...

Edit:
Just carried a 4v5. :>

[COLOR="#cc8899"]I think it comes down to a couple factors:
1 - He can sustain out any poke from Cho and can stay in lane just as long as Cho due to not requiring any mana
2 - He has a lengthy silence that, if used with good timing, can prevent Cho from using his own abilities or at least from using his Ult
3 - His own Ult is very effective against high HP targets
4 - He just outright does more damage than Cho early/mid game

The problem is people counterpicking without understanding WHY a champion counters another one. Malzahar vs Akali, for example - he relies heavily on his Ult as a counter to her ability to jump into and out of fights quickly and easily (it also works under her stealth bubble) and it keeps her from using lifesteal/spell vamp to sustain herself. His minion becoming more useful in a melee situation and his powerful AOE silence are also factors that help his matchup. Finally, he tends to shove lanes easily with low/no mana usage if he knows how to abuse Malefic Visions, which keeps Akali from being able to effectively roam/gank without giving him free farm/a free turret.

However, he still has to deal with her high burst and sustain when his ultimate isn't available and the matchup can still go poorly for him very quickly.[/COLOR]

Ha, my Garen counters most Rivens and Cho'Gaths I've seen.

I garen-tee it.

Ha, my Garen counters most Rivens and Cho'Gaths I've seen.

I garen-tee it.

garen vs riven is so dam funny lol, riven cannot trade assuming you are not using all your skills to push the lane, she pretty much lost because she cannot get near you to get cs and it's also very risky to come to even stop your passive.

Ha, my Garen counters most Rivens and Cho'Gaths I've seen.

I garen-tee it.

You have kat to be kidding me.
I've always cho'sen the guy against Garen all the time.

You have kat to be kidding me.
I've always cho'sen the guy against Garen all the time.

1 v 1 top lane go .

1 v 1 top lane go .

I would but I'm about to go out for lunch.

Boom!

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Garen poops on casters and anyone that stacks health and no MR, I have been trying to point this out to everyone for over a year now but people don't listen.

Garen poops on casters and anyone that stacks health and no MR, I have been trying to point this out to everyone for over a year now but people don't listen.

What about AD casters? I've actually pub stomped a few Garens as Riven. It's hard and takes a lot of effort though. I seem to be beating Garens with Akali as well.

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What about AD casters? I've actually pub stomped a few Garens as Riven. It's hard and takes a lot of effort though. I seem to be beating Garens with Akali as well.

There's your answer. I didn't specify a type because I'm lazy.

What about AD casters? I've actually pub stomped a few Garens as Riven. It's hard and takes a lot of effort though. I seem to be beating Garens with Akali as well.

it really depends on how one plays garen, some ad casters can just try to poke and never go on hard engage, the thing about garen is his silence is deadly to casters. Chances are if you are engaging all out on him you will lose, if he engages on you, you prob won't lose if you just run away instead of engaging, then you can harass back all you want unless you need to be right next to him and take judgement damage until his q is up again. However since you cannot really afford to be right next to him or engage near him, you are bound to lose a few cs anyways. So in a way you are basically even with him

Garen beats Akali if he's smart and carries a pink ward (even without a pink ward too, unless the Akali is really good at farming under tower), but he has to be careful because if Akali gets even one kill (ie jungler) then Akali can basically win.

I don't care about Riven, she loses unless she starts with boots + 3 movement speed quints + movement speed mastery in utility tree.

Note: This is from ~1300 elo play, aka Silver League.

You have to poke and stay the hell away from bushes and his q if you want to win against Garen.

Garen beats Akali if he's smart and carries a pink ward (even without a pink ward too, unless the Akali is really good at farming under tower), but he has to be careful because if Akali gets even one kill (ie jungler) then Akali can basically win.

I don't care about Riven, she loses unless she starts with boots + 3 movement speed quints + movement speed mastery in utility tree.

Note: This is from ~1300 elo play, aka Silver League.

You have to poke and stay the hell away from bushes and his q if you want to win against Garen.

Honestly, I feel as if Akali can trade off against Garen. I played this match up a couple of times and what I would do is Q Garen every opportunity I'd get so he'd almost always have a mark on him. When he does try to go for a Q, I generally start running, but if he's about to hit, I proc the mark and continue running. I think Akali's move speed is naturally faster than Garen's, so unless he starts off boots, you should avoid most of his E. In any case, constantly marking him then procing it when he does engage usually either has a fair or higher trade off in Akali's favor from what I've seen.

The most recent one Garen had several pink wards, but I still managed to out trade him (21/9/0 masteries) and won 2-0 before being constantly dived 3 man ganks with mid lane feeding :V.

Also Riven can easily Ki Burst -> AA -> Broken Wings away before Garen can hit his Q.

Honestly, I feel as if Akali can trade off against Garen. I played this match up a couple of times and what I would do is Q Garen every opportunity I'd get so he'd almost always have a mark on him. When he does try to go for a Q, I generally start running, but if he's about to hit, I proc the mark and continue running. I think Akali's move speed is naturally faster than Garen's, so unless he starts off boots, you should avoid most of his E. In any case, constantly marking him then procing it when he does engage usually either has a fair or higher trade off in Akali's favor from what I've seen.

The most recent one Garen had several pink wards, but I still managed to out trade him (21/9/0 masteries) and won 2-0 before being constantly dived 3 man ganks with mid lane feeding :V.

Also Riven can easily Ki Burst -> AA -> Broken Wings away before Garen can hit his Q.

riven can easily run away, however as garen all you need to do is actually stand near your creeps instead of initiating a trade when q is up, riven cannot trade with you or burst you down. So either way she is forced to miss cs, and if she is going to get that cs you have more then enough chance to silence her since she is practically right next to you. Riven can easily harass>run away thus keeping your passive down, but riven is going to lose a lot of cs this way either way unless you are near your tower and assuming he pushes the wave

Honestly, I feel as if Akali can trade off against Garen. I played this match up a couple of times and what I would do is Q Garen every opportunity I'd get so he'd almost always have a mark on him. When he does try to go for a Q, I generally start running, but if he's about to hit, I proc the mark and continue running. I think Akali's move speed is naturally faster than Garen's, so unless he starts off boots, you should avoid most of his E. In any case, constantly marking him then procing it when he does engage usually either has a fair or higher trade off in Akali's favor from what I've seen.

The most recent one Garen had several pink wards, but I still managed to out trade him (21/9/0 masteries) and won 2-0 before being constantly dived 3 man ganks with mid lane feeding :V.

Also Riven can easily Ki Burst -> AA -> Broken Wings away before Garen can hit his Q.

I always start out boots as Garen.

And from what I can see, Garens can catch up to Rivens who Broken Wings away.

I always start out boots as Garen.

And from what I can see, Garens can catch up to Rivens who Broken Wings away.

it's more valor+broken wing + fact that you are being stunned already

By the time you auto attack and start to q away, stun is over, no?

Not really, she has quite good innate attack speed and her BAT is fairly low. Just gotta animation cancel. And using her shield makes it incredibly easy (unless you're using your shield to dash in).

Most Annoying Match EVER!



These fucking two made my life impossible always getting caught out of position, or having close to NONE CS, Being stupidly underleveled most of the time and always overcomitting way too much than necessary. Honestly the 2 more obnoxious teammates i ever had. I seriously wonder if we could have won if Ali didn't leave on the last few minutes of the match... (Before you ask for that aegis, that was my ill attempt to trying to keep those 2 morons alive a little longer, at least so they could be a decent meat shield for me). It was a good decision to pick Zed for that match, i can usually carry the pineapple out of any team fight with him.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]Workin my way up to Silver III


Proud of my CS this game.[/COLOR]