KMST 1.2.455 - Moar changes

I am in favor of balancing out classes, but perfect balance between classes make it boring as well.
Aldo I am hoping this was only AB, if the thief resistance turns out to be something even or stronger then AB I will accuse Maplestory of Power Creeping

Accuse? Have you been living under a rock? Maple HAS been power creeping for years. This isn't a "new" thing.

Do you start off playing a game, an MMO to be specific, aiming to definitely without a doubt have the best equips? Not everyone goes for Empress equips, not everyone perfectly scrolls them, and not everyone cubes them for boss damage out the ass. Unless you're actually planning on doing the big bosses, it's not necessary, and even then, yes, it shouldn't be necessary and it's stupid that it is, but it's not as if you have to kill Empress just to make ends meet. Pots aren't so expensive that unless you boss you won't be able to do anything in the game, ever.

Pay to win is a problem, yes, for bossing, but there are other aspects of the game besides bossing, too, those that don't require you to spend billions and billions and billions on equips. I honestly can't say I care much for those, but many people do and for some, doing those things is more important than killing whatever impossible boss we have right now. And on the flip side, should the best equips in the game be so cheap that you can start playing and buy ten of them with money to spare?



I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this. There's almost always been those "few" people. It's the same "few" people, and they're doing the same thing they were doing before. What difference does it make what they're doing it on?

Magnus seems impossible without Angelic Burster, I agree, but we spent months thinking Empress was impossible too, and now people kill her daily. It might be super optimistic of me to think this, but I'm sure we'll find a way.

It is mildly possible to kill magnus with a group of 6(they would have to be very high tier) in terms of DPS but it is apparently very hard to deal with the attacks + balls + environment.
The burster that continued to solo it had magnus somehow locked most of the run. He had to go all the way to 10 million seeker + hyper just to be able to record that video.

Have we actually seen any one kill hard mode Magnus besides the Burster party pre-nerf?
I'm interested in seeing how Nexon intends to keep a devoted player-base when the hardest boss in the game requires dumping an insane amount of funding on the most powerful class in the game to even have a chance at defeating it. The falling meteors were a nice start, but they're going to have to be more creative then that.

Have we actually seen any one kill hard mode Magus besides the Burster party pre-nerf?

Nope.

Have we actually seen any one kill hard mode Magnus besides the Burster party pre-nerf?
I'm interested in seeing how Nexon intends to keep a devoted player-base when the hardest boss in the game requires dumping an insane amount of funding on the most powerful class in the game to even have a chance at defeating it. The falling meteors were a nice start, but they're going to have to be more creative then that.

Did you miss early PB and Empress? Nexon does this to all their "big" bosses and yet we're still here playing...

Did you miss early PB and Empress? Nexon does this to all their "big" bosses and yet we're still here playing...

PB was intentionally designed around the Potential system, but having Magnus designed around ONE CLASS is retarded, especially considering Soul Seeker is being nerfed into submission and beyond.

Did you miss early PB and Empress? Nexon does this to all their "big" bosses and yet we're still here playing...

Pink Bean and Empress doesn't even compare to what Hard Mode Magnus is.
Nexon is going to have to come up with different methods of making bosses instead of "Make x boss a dps sand bag with such hp that only the strongest players of the strongest class can beat by spending x amount of dollars on the game". Pink Bean and even Empress can be done with a devoted party(ies) of average players, so new players don't have to come in discouraged. Making content with the assumption that everyone is going to have the ability to spend insane amounts of money to experience it will push players away.

PB was intentionally designed around the Potential system, but having Magnus designed around ONE CLASS, especially considering Soul Seeker is being nerfed into submission and beyond.

Magnus wasn't designed around angelic buster. Magnus was designed around hyper skills, with help from whatever they come out with in the winter update and beyond to make people stronger.

@above: A new boss being stronger than really old hardcore bosses? Shocker.

Magnus wasn't designed around angelic buster. Magnus was designed around hyper skills, with help from whatever they come out with in the winter update and beyond to make people stronger.

Because Hyper Skills are obviously working, that's why we've seen Hard Mode Magnus downed by someone other than an Angelic Burster pre-nerf.

@above: A new boss being stronger than really old hardcore bosses? Shocker.

My issue isn't that Magnus is stronger, my issue is that only one class can hope to stand against him if they pumped enough money in when the class was at its fullest power.

My point is that they're going to have to make Boss fights more strategic than throwing dps around, because that this point the only thing they can seem to do is increase the HP and the defense to the point where, once again, only the absolutely strongest of the strongest class can hope to participate in the fight with some success. Nexon is pushing themselves in a corner, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get another game/complete class revamp to make room for even BEEFIER bosses so they can actually avoid putting thought into this.

Ignore me.

Quoting me just made it harder to ignore you. It's a self-defeating action.

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I am the baby. You are the Grand Galactic Inquisitor.

Congratulations. You've concluded something that was plain as day since big bang.

You forgot then rebuffing older classes to make them not suck so much, or turn them back to OP status. See Dual Blades/Mechs/Demon Slayers/Cannoneers. I'm probably missing some others, but my point is still made and I don't feel like listing them all.

The point of giving Angelic Burster higher caps was so it would be possible.

That sentence alone shows how wrongly this game is being designed. New content is not being designed so that old players can possibly do it, it's being designed around getting as much money out of us so that we can "properly" use the new special class with completely different rules to do it.

A single class should not redefine everything about the game, especially without using those redefinitions for the other classes, and every new boss shouldn't be designed to be so powerful that only the new class can kill it. That's HORRIBLE game design. It makes me sick thinking about it.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW buster nerfs

As a demonslayer, I find these changes ridiculous buffs.

According to Leafre, there's also a new mount called an Onyx Jaguar. Offers 120% Speed/Jump and 50% Stance.

That sentence alone shows how wrongly this game is being designed. New content is not being designed so that old players can possibly do it, it's being designed around getting as much money out of us so that we can "properly" use the new special class with completely different rules to do it.

A single class should not redefine everything about the game, especially without using those redefinitions for the other classes, and every new boss shouldn't be designed to be so powerful that only the new class can kill it. That's HORRIBLE game design. It makes me sick thinking about it.

I'm sorry, what new content requires that I empty my wallet and hurl the contents at the game to be able to do it? Am I being billed for all my whispers, my chats, every character I type into the chat box? Do I pay entry fees to be able to do PQs and Monster Park? Do I have to pay for a special permit to participate in events? How many training areas require that I pay to use? Do I need to cube all my equips to legendary to train effectively?

The only content I would say you really need to throw your money is are the new bosses.

What can you honestly say Angelic Burster has redefined about the game? Pretty much just bosses, no? Saying that this single class has redefined everything about the game is a bit of an overexaggeration, isn't it?

Besides that, the fact the super funded Angelic Burster was able to solo Hard Mode Magnus in 14 out of 30 minutes, and with the nerfs, probably impossible to solo now, doesn't mean it's the only class that can kill it. Yes, it killed Magnus, but that doesn't mean that the only way to kill Magnus is to throw all your money at an Angelic Burster, it just happens to be the easiest way.

According to Leafre, there's also a new mount called an Onyx Jaguar. Offers 120% Speed/Jump and 50% Stance.

Isn't the White Jaguar 150/120 with 50% stance?

Isn't the White Jaguar 150/120 with 50% stance?

Yes, but I'm willing to assume that the difference being is that the Onyx Jaguar can be obtained like the normal Jags and Jaira as Snow White remains an event only thing.

Pink Bean and Empress doesn't even compare to what Hard Mode Magnus is.
Nexon is going to have to come up with different methods of making bosses instead of "Make x boss a dps sand bag with such hp that only the strongest players of the strongest class can beat by spending x amount of dollars on the game". Pink Bean and even Empress can be done with a devoted party(ies) of average players, so new players don't have to come in discouraged. Making content with the assumption that everyone is going to have the ability to spend insane amounts of money to experience it will push players away.

PB and to a certain extent Empress are comparable if you were around during their release. There has been a lot of power creep (and Empress nerf/fix) that allows these devoted parties to have a chance. They sure as hell weren't being killed sans hackers at the beginning. Maple devs love to design literally impossible to kill bosses then in the next 3 months allow heavily funded players to kill them. Everyone else has to wait 6+months to kill in party.

I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it's the trend.

Isn't the White Jaguar 150/120 with 50% stance?

Actually, I think it's also 120/120, before the bonus from the riding skill first job, so they should be the same, I think?

Yes, but I'm willing to assume that the difference being is that the Onyx Jaguar can be obtained like the normal Jags and Jaira as Snow White remains an event only thing.

After the Resistance revamp, you'll be able to obtain Snow White like the other Jaguars, but of course, it's rarer.

PB and to a certain extent Empress are comparable if you were around during their release. There has been a lot of power creep (and Empress nerf/fix) that allows these devoted parties to have a chance. They sure as hell weren't being killed sans hackers at the beginning. Maple devs love to design literally impossible to kill bosses then in the next 3 months allow heavily funded players to kill them. Everyone else has to wait 6+months to kill in party.

I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it's the trend.

That's my entire point,(although I was on hiatus for Empress so I can't say much here), We couldn't defeat Pink Bean until the potential system+ Dual Blades were released, which also helped to usher in Big Bang.

Since Nexon Korea doesn't seem to want to develop Bosses that require any real strategy out of attacking whenever you can I'm interested to see how they're going to address the issue. They're going to be hard-pressed to make content tougher/higher than Magnus at the moment without some serious tweaking/upgrading to actually make it possible.