US Election Discussion

4 More years of obama, we are doooooooooomed. I wouldn't be surprised if we reached as high as 64% more in Welfare spending in two obama terms. Gonna get 4 more trillion in debt, taking even more taxes out of our checks when he clearly said anyone making 250k or less wouldn't get tax increases under him. Fun time.

Yah because Republican plan has worked so well in the past:

4 More years of obama, we are doooooooooomed. I wouldn't be surprised if we reached as high as 64% more in Welfare spending in two obama terms. Gonna get 4 more trillion in debt, taking even more taxes out of our checks when he clearly said anyone making 250k or less wouldn't get tax increases under him. Fun time.

In the simplest terms so your little Republican mind can comprehend it: You are a f'ucking idiot.

4 More years of obama, we are doooooooooomed. I wouldn't be surprised if we reached as high as 64% more in Welfare spending in two obama terms. Gonna get 4 more trillion in debt, taking even more taxes out of our checks when he clearly said anyone making 250k or less wouldn't get tax increases under him. Fun time.

You should credit fox news when you copy and paste their report like that.

You should credit fox news when you copy and paste their report like that.

Actually, seen it on Huff, Washington post, msnbc, etc.

Actually, seen it on Huff, Washington post, msnbc, etc.

Bull sh`it.

Yah because Republican plan has worked so well in the past:

I voted for Obama first term bro. I don't choose party's, I choose a person. Obama failed, horribly, Bush failed horribly. Cool of you to start talking about pomegranate I didn't even mention, lol and making the assumption I'm a republican.

Gots lot of Obama fans here, Lol. Get so offensive over everything.

I voted for Obama first term bro. I don't choose party's, I choose a person. Obama failed, horribly, Bush failed horribly. Cool of you to start talking about pomegranate I didn't even mention, lol and making the assumption I'm a republican.

Gots lot of Obama fans here, Lol. Get so offensive over everything.

You honestly thought mitt romney was a better choice? Seriously, you have no argument. All you can say is obama sucks, and you wanteds to vote MR in because of some myth you read about gas prices.

You're a media sheep.

Bull sh`it.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/cnbc/49470963#49470963

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012.../?page=all

http://washingtonexaminer.com/1.8-trilli...Ju6ZuQ9jvo

Harder to find things on Huff, they're favor obama so much it's hilarious.

You honestly thought mitt romney was a better choice? Seriously, you have no argument. All you can say is obama sucks, and you wanteds to vote MR in because of some myth you read about gas prices.

You're a media sheep.

LMFAO, I'm a media sheep? You were just insulting me the other day because I was some conspiracy theorist because I didn't follow anything on the media, or at least pretty similar to that. Make up your mind kid.

Please explain to me how Obama is better than Romney and Obama is a better choice after doing next to nothing.

LMFAO, I'm a media sheep? You were just insulting me the other day because I was some conspiracy theorist because I didn't follow anything on the media, or at least pretty similar to that. Make up your mind kid.

Please explain to me how Obama is better than Romney and Obama is a better choice after doing next to nothing.

no you explain why you think romney is better you woman loathing, gay hating republican.

/im being sarcastic no infraction plz thank/

LMFAO, I'm a media sheep? You were just insulting me the other day because I was some conspiracy theorist because I didn't follow anything on the media, or at least pretty similar to that. Make up your mind kid.

Please explain to me how Obama is better than Romney and Obama is a better choice after doing next to nothing.

You aren't old enough to refer to me as anything more than your superior. But ya know, people like you make me laugh because you miss the important details.

"By far, the biggest item on the list is Medicaid, the federal-state health care program for the poor"

"In Tuesday’s debate, Mr. Romney blasted Mr. Obama for overseeing a 50 percent increase in the number of people on food stamps, which has risen from 32 million to 47 million.But the two men also share some agreement on safety-net programs. In the debate, Mr. Romney said he wants to increase the Pell Grant program to help low-income students pay for college."

It's not like 2011 he passed some healthcare reform to help this frightening increase.

Let's also not disregard the fact that Romney wanted to repeal it so that he could simply put his name in front of it instead. Unless you want to go with Ryan who offers your grandparents vouchers.

That's from your own articles, please actually read them and not google bull sh`it to help justify your pitiful argument.

You aren't old enough to refer to me as anything more than your superior. But ya know, people like you make me laugh because you miss the important details.

"By far, the biggest item on the list is Medicaid, the federal-state health care program for the poor"

"In Tuesday’s debate, Mr. Romney blasted Mr. Obama for overseeing a 50 percent increase in the number of people on food stamps, which has risen from 32 million to 47 million.But the two men also share some agreement on safety-net programs. In the debate, Mr. Romney said he wants to increase the Pell Grant program to help low-income students pay for college."

It's not like 2011 he passed some healthcare reform to help this frightening increase.

Let's also not disregard the fact that Romney wanted to repeal it so that he could simply put his name in front of it instead. Unless you want to go with Ryan who offers your grandparents vouchers.

That's from your own articles, please actually read them and not google bull sh`it to help justify your pitiful argument.

AHAHAHAHAHHA, man I was sitting here and I was like this kid will pick one thing out of the articles and try to throw it in my face, and I was right. Yes because if i choose someone I must agree on everything...lol

You also added your opinion to the post and you think it makes it a fact, something you do quite often I can see. You're a joke kid, stop copy and pasting and thinking your boss...Seriously you need help just go look t your posts, it's one thing to be bias but all you do is shut down everyone's opinions and "try" to make them look very ignorant.

I'm lean towards conservative more, something Obama obviously isn't. Let me guess gonna go all democrat on me for that too? Maybe you are an old ass man, you sound like my dad.

Whoa, there. An argument does not need to involve derogatory comments on each other's character.

Let's pull ourselves together.

AHAHAHAHAHHA, man I was sitting here and I was like this kid will pick one thing out of the articles and try to throw it in my face, and I was right.

How do you exactly quote a video that doesn't let you post certain times? And only talks about the increase and not specifically why it is Obama's fault? There's nothing but facts stated about an increase. That's it.

Last I checked it was two things I pulled out of the article, one about romney and one about a healthcare reform, they had one thing in common where mitt romney essentially agreed with the decisions. So, guess you were wrong, nothing really different though.

You also added your opinion to the post and you think it makes it a fact, something you do quite often I can see. You're a joke kid, stop copy and pasting and thinking your boss...Seriously you need help just go look t your posts, it's one thing to be bias but all you do is shut down everyone's opinions and "try" to make them look very ignorant.

With you I never have to try very hard. And what opinions are in that post? That I'm older than you? That's clear. That I'm superior to you? Check. That Mitt romney's specific's are so minuscule its essentially the same bill? Okay. Or that Paul ryan wants vouchers? Seems like a simple google search can verify that.

See's that the difference between us. You make statements, they are empty, you don't back them up, no proof, it's just crap you spout. Not even specific examples out of what, 2 paragraphs worth of text? Can't get more half ass than that.

How do you exactly quote a video that doesn't let you post certain times? And only talks about the increase and not specifically why it is Obama's fault? There's nothing but facts stated about an increase. That's it.

Last I checked it was two things I pulled out of the article, one about romney and one about a healthcare reform, they had one thing in common where mitt romney essentially agreed with the decisions. So, guess you were wrong, nothing really different though.



With you I never have to try very hard. And what opinions are in that post? That I'm older than you? That's clear. That I'm superior to you? Check. That Mitt romney's specific's are so minuscule its essentially the same bill? Okay. Or that Paul ryan wants vouchers? Seems like a simple google search can verify that.

See's that the difference between us. You make statements, they are empty, you don't back them up, no proof, it's just crap you spout. Not even specific examples out of what, 2 paragraphs worth of text? Can't get more half ass than that.

You're lost. Okay, I can see the trolling, good luck kid.

If I'm not mistaken, Romney's plans to reduce deficit spending were to cut and cap federal spending by 20% (this would likely be rejected), cut programs we cannot afford ie Obamacare (relegate it to federal Romneycare putting more burden on the state), and this is emphasized even by a third point to send programs back to the states implying this would be more efficient and effective. All of these point to delegating responsibility from the national to the federal and actually dodging responsibility for shouldering debt by putting the responsibility on the state. I don't love Obama, but you can hardly say that Romney had a stellar plan for reducing out deficit if that is the primary point you are making. And if I'm misunderstanding then please correct me.

If I'm not mistaken, Romney's plans to reduce deficit spending were to cut and cap federal spending by 20% (this would likely be rejected), cut programs we cannot afford ie Obamacare (relegate it to federal Romneycare putting more burden on the state), and this is emphasized even by a third point to send programs back to the states implying this would be more efficient and effective.

If I recall the coverage was less than Obama's and cost was essentially the same. It really depends on the perspective you're arguing, consumer, or business. But really the only difference between them is federal vs state.

A big problem with both cares is it really hurts the medical practice, which were all points that I purposely left open hoping he'd be able to show some political savvy, rather than cinematic face saving dives.

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See's that the difference between us. You make statements, they are empty, you don't back them up, no proof, it's just crap you spout. Not even specific examples out of what, 2 paragraphs worth of text? Can't get more half ass than that.

You're lost. Okay, I can see the trolling, good luck kid.

Deja Vu. Great retort followed by a smug denial.

What's so depressing is how easy it is to back pedal out of an argument when you're faced with a logician superior to you.

I suppose nothing will ever change... Oh hey, nothing will change sounds like a word.

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[MENTION=5103]Satellite[/MENTION]; although the fire is gone, one of those men died :S Arguable though.

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Also, I stopped caring about what Sarah Palin says ever since the Vice Presidential Debate where she ended her closing statement with a freaking shout out to her family and a wink... On a televised national debate...

Yeah, not going to take her seriously from that point on. Also love Joe Biden.

That's an entirely unfair representation; Clinton's clever little housing market scheme backfired and it took everything else down with it, but he did that same thing with a ton of other things; he relaxed regulations on a ton of different things, to the extent that it was actually ILLEGAL for banks to do background checks on people to make sure they could afford what they were borrowing. Then the banks get blamed when the recession finally hits, funny how that works, huh.

By the way, just to clarify this point, the bubbles he created LOOK like a period of incredible earnings, but in fact are hollow.

He also relaxed the only other stock market regulation I approve of; the redefinition of the rules involving upticking. For some godawful reason, he approved an SEC study that eventually determined (when it was completed in 2004) that the heavy restrictions placed on upticking the market were no longer needed. Guess when the uptick rule was officially removed? 2007. Guess what the second major cause of the recent recession was? Upticking. If you don't know what that is, it's when a person or business continuously shortsells a stock INTO THE GROUND and bankrupts them for their own massive profit. I'm not placing all the blame on Clinton for this though; at LEAST half of the blame falls on Bush for not stopping that study as soon as he was put into office; I'm pretty sure he even supported it. They were both terrible people because of it.

Still, my original point is, that chart is technically accurate, but it is missing some key underlying facts that are more important than that chart itself.

By the way, here's a fun little game we can play while we are on the subject of debt; the current US GDP is 15.09 trillion as of 2011. The current US DEBT is 16.2 trillion. Using math and logic, will higher taxes change anything? The tax rate on EVERYTHING in the country would need to be around 107% to fix this debt in a timely fashion, as of today. Hell, I'll even throw you a bone and say 2 years is still a timely fashion; 53% tax rate. 53% of everything everyone earns in this entire country for an entire year, ASSUMING the debt stops increasing as of today, which it will not, since Obamacare is no longer out the window. I expect the debt to be over DOUBLE the current figure by the end of his second term if nothing is done, in which case, what's happening in Greece right now will look like a stroll through a meadow compared to the situation that we will have on our hands in 4 years.

Just gonna drop this here kids:

[video=youtube;SVwXA7sHUlE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVwXA7sHUlE&feature=player_embedded[/video]