Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS)

Anyone remember the movie where ichigo went to the dimension that was the middle between soul society? I cant remember the movie name.

Not sure if you are referring to the "Hell Chapter" movie.
or the
tunnel

As for the "Shadow Area". I think that deals with their ability to travel into different planes of existence that shouldn't be possible for mere humans. This leads me to suspect another War potential immune to this prerequisite... "Uryu Ishida"

Damm, how can Ichigo not be the son of Isshin. Kubo you're so damm improvising. Ichigo and Isshin are both Shinigami plus the fact their names are even similar. On the other hand Isshin is a freak while Ichigo has been always overly serious.

Ichigo's bankai is way too similar to Isshins, he has to be his son. Maybe Juha Bach is Ichigo's maternal grandfather.

When? where?. We've never seen Isshin's Bankai. Heck prolly not even his Shikai, all we've seen is him growing his sword.

They never mentioned anything about the location of Hogyoku. I'm assuming its probably with Ichigo, assuming the Quincy origin story for Ichigo doesn't work out.

They can of did, didn't they? After Gin failed to steal the Hogyoku, Aizen said the Hogyoku had totally accepted him and they couldn't be separated... or something. That's why he could teleport it from Gin's hands.

Damm, how can Ichigo not be the son of Isshin. Kubo you're so damm improvising. Ichigo and Isshin are both Shinigami plus the fact their names are even similar. On the other hand Isshin is a freak while Ichigo has been always overly serious.

Most likely, or at least hopefully he only meant it in symbolic sense. That whole "My son born in the darkness" seems pretty poetic as a whole.

When? where?. We've never seen Isshin's Bankai. Heck prolly not even his Shikai, all we've seen is him growing his sword.

Are you serious? Isshin fought Aizen 1v1, remember? He wasn't doing that with his unreleased sword...

Also this:

 Spoiler

Not quite seeing his swords name, but that is damn well close enough to suggest the two are related.

Damm, how can Ichigo not be the son of Isshin. Kubo you're so damm improvising. Ichigo and Isshin are both Shinigami plus the fact their names are even similar. On the other hand Isshin is a freak while Ichigo has been always overly serious.



When? where?. We've never seen Isshin's Bankai. Heck prolly not even his Shikai, all we've seen is him growing his sword.



They can of did, didn't they? After Gin failed to steal the Hogyoku, Aizen said the Hogyoku had totally accepted him and they couldn't be separated... or something. That's why he could teleport it from Gin's hands.

Not his bankai, but their sword attacks and styles are way too similar for them not be related. Isshin knew of Final Getsuga Tensho, and that's most likely how Isshin lost his very own powers.

Isshin will sure tell the whole story soon enough. Also, Ichigos sister should have developed powers by now, no?

They can of did, didn't they? After Gin failed to steal the Hogyoku, Aizen said the Hogyoku had totally accepted him and they couldn't be separated... or something. That's why he could teleport it from Gin's hands.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v45/c421/10.html

from page 10 onward

Hogyoku refused Aizen, thereby disintegrating his Zanpaktou.

Because Aizen was weakened, Urahara's Kido was able to activate. (this kido was placed when Urahara fired a shot into him at the fake town)
IT can only be activated when a person's power is weakened.

Not his bankai, but their sword attacks and styles are way too similar for them not be related. Isshin knew of Final Getsuga Tensho, and that's most likely how Isshin lost his very own powers.

Isshin will sure tell the whole story soon enough. Also, Ichigos sister should have developed powers by now, no?

Isshin's Engetsu sounds like Zangetsu
Ichigo probably imitated it because "assuming" he can copy other people's reitsu, he probably copied Isshin's since he lived with him his whole life.


I also want to add more speculation:

Based on the recent release, towards the last panel
We see Juha Bach saying "His son...born in the darkness"
Assuming Kubo isn't trolling us, we have to realize why Quincy and Shinigami had a war in the past.
Pretty sure Ichigo is the love child of Ichigo's Mom and Juha Bach, that was deemed not fit for society norms. Soul Society probably went against this. Isshin decides to become a Foster Father, while maintaining great ties with Ishida's Dad. I mean how often do you come across a Shinigami that gets along with a Quincy, other than Ichigo and Ishida.
Futhermore, this "love child (ichigo)" needed to be protected and away from Soul Society. His appearance in Soul Society was treated as a threat, which is why the Captains probably had to monitor him through the Substitute Shinigami badge.

Just speculating =)


EDIT: how does a Gigai give birth? :f6:

Damm, how can Ichigo not be the son of Isshin. Kubo you're so damm improvising. Ichigo and Isshin are both Shinigami plus the fact their names are even similar. On the other hand Isshin is a freak while Ichigo has been always overly serious.



When? where?. We've never seen Isshin's Bankai. Heck prolly not even his Shikai, all we've seen is him growing his sword.

Well besides the fact that Isshin used gensuga tensho in the fight with Aizen and that he also taught Ichigo how to awaken the final gensuga, we also know Isshin already once lost his powers, which imo signifies that he had to use the final gensuga himself to do some badass pomegranate. That is pretty similar to Ichigo's sword although you are right we actually haven't seen his released sword.

Isshin's Engetsu sounds like Zangetsu
Ichigo probably imitated it because "assuming" he can copy other people's reitsu, he probably copied Isshin's since he lived with him his whole life.


I also want to add more speculation:

Based on the recent release, towards the last panel
We see Juha Bach saying "His son...born in the darkness"
Assuming Kubo isn't trolling us, we have to realize why Quincy and Shinigami had a war in the past.
Pretty sure Ichigo is the love child of Ichigo's Mom and Juha Bach, that was deemed not fit for society norms. Soul Society probably went against this. Isshin decides to become a Foster Father, while maintaining great ties with Ishida's Dad. I mean how often do you come across a Shinigami that gets along with a Quincy, other than Ichigo and Ishida.
Futhermore, this "love child (ichigo)" needed to be protected and away from Soul Society. His appearance in Soul Society was treated as a threat, which is why the Captains probably had to monitor him through the Substitute Shinigami badge.

Just speculating =)


EDIT: how does a Gigai give birth? :f6:

I think that Juha meant it as if every Quincy was his children, since he is the king and all that. (Or at least I want it to be that way)

But still, if the quincy were dead, and the shinigami are dead too, how the hell did they made human child etheir way? I'll give you that.

So far the involved characters in this plot are the Captain of the 13 squad, Isshin, Urahara, Ichigos mother and Ishidas dad. Can't wait to hear the truth.

kinda slightly annoyed with the quincy problems. I saw this post on mangafox and it conveys my feelings.

Need to beat a Shinigami? Well I'll become a Shinigami too.
Need to beat an Arrancar? Well I'll become a Hollow too.
Need to beat a Quincy? Well I'll become a Quincy too.
Need to beat a ham sandwhich? Well I'll become a pig too.

kinda slightly annoyed with the quincy problems. I saw this post on mangafox and it conveys my feelings.

Well Ichigo has always been set up as that one guy that has the potential to do anything and everything. Also it wasn't like he became a shinigami to beat the Shinigami, that was thrust upon him to try and save Rukia/his family.

Then he became a hollow because the power was manifesting itself within him and he really didn't have a choice. Use the power or die. I do agree with the Quincy part, but honestly at this point, it isn't that hard to believe that Ichigo is still pulling these things out of his ass.

I think that Juha meant it as if every Quincy was his children, since he is the king and all that. (Or at least I want it to be that way)

But still, if the quincy were dead, and the shinigami are dead too, how the hell did they made human child etheir way? I'll give you that.

So far the involved characters in this plot are the Captain of the 13 squad, Isshin, Urahara, Ichigos mother and Ishidas dad. Can't wait to hear the truth.

Quincy are basically humans. Like an exorcist that can sense/see the dead. In other words, they are spiritually aware humans that can absorb reishi into weapons.

Source - http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Quincy

As for the birth of a human, you make a good point. The only way a Shinigami can become Human is if they die in Soul Society. However they'll lose all memories of their Shinigami life. (This was seen in the special OVA)
This can only mean Ichigo's mom and dad were Quincies. But that's so far-fetch its laughable.
The other possibility is Ichigo's Mom being a Substitute Shingami allow her to have both planes of existence, Shinigami and Human forms. This can be further reinforced by the fact that the Fullbring Arch's effect on Ichigo's Costume is still in effect. The Fullbring arch itself can be a way to bridge the gap in Kubo's future development of Ichigo.

You're take on Juha Bach reference to all Quincie's as his son's does sound plausible. As if Juha himself is an over-zealous prophet of some sort.

Can't wait till next week to find out the real meaning behind it.

Are you serious? Isshin fought Aizen 1v1, remember? He wasn't doing that with his unreleased sword...

Not quite seeing his swords name, but that is damn well close enough to suggest the two are related.

Damn, you made me read throughout 397 to 408 trying to find clues about Isshin's sword and I found nothing. There is no proof Isshin was using Bankai to fight Aizen, all the more so when Urahara was fighting in Shikai there aswell.

...and that's most likely how Isshin lost his very own powers

Isshin didn't lose his powers. Aizen himself accepted he was being overpowered and then started mutating in order to surpass Isshin. There is no clue what his powers are yet, but he is probably out of the league of anyone in Soul Society, a reason why I believe he is part of the Zero Squad

Hogyoku refused Aizen, thereby disintegrating his Zanpaktou..

Aizen was weakened because freaking Ichigo split him into 2, then the Kidou activated. Before that, the Hogyoku regenerated him. I'm not quite sure if that translation is correct but I find it odd the Hogyoku would first regenerate Aizen then reject him. Let's wait and see.

I am not debating Ichigo being Isshin's son, that's why I said Kubo is freaking improvising with that. I hope Juha's words were meant poethically or something

Isshin didn't lose his powers Aizen himself accepted he was being overpowered and then started mutating in order to surpass Isshin. There is no clue what his powers are yet, but he is probably out of the league of anyone in Soul Society, a reason why I believe he is part of the Zero Squad

I am not debating Ichigo being Isshin's son, that's why I said Kubo is freaking improvising with that. I hope Juha's words were meant poethically or something

Another thing is the white "cape" Isshin carries to believe he was a royal guard, and he did lost his powers, manga chapter 188 says so (kind-of):



Well, I remembered that in the anime they use specifically "lost" and not abandoned. If I could find a raw and look into the characters...

I'm sure it was lost, since Isshin says he wasn't able to protect her when that happened, since he didn't have any power.

And by going through what that chapter says, Urahara somehow thought he would be blamed if Isshin got "weaker all of a sudden". I'm even more curious now.

Damn, you made me read throughout 397 to 408 trying to find clues about Isshin's sword and I found nothing. There is no proof Isshin was using Bankai to fight Aizen, all the more so when Urahara was fighting in Shikai there aswell.

I thought he was in shikai, but apparently you are right. His sword was unreleased.

Isshin didn't lose his powers.

Yes he did, go read the wiki.
Bleach Wiki-Isshin

Aizen was weakened because freaking Ichigo split him into 2, then the Kidou activated. Before that, the Hogyoku regenerated him.

The Hogyoku regenerated him, but once it realized that Aizen was weak after Ichigo's attack, it left him and allowed Aizen to be sealed.

I could see Isshin being part of the Zero Squad in the past. He is certainly strong enough to fit the position.

Damn, you made me read throughout 397 to 408 trying to find clues about Isshin's sword and I found nothing. There is no proof Isshin was using Bankai to fight Aizen, all the more so when Urahara was fighting in Shikai there aswell.

You said his shikai. I bolded the part where you said shikai. I couldn't have made it more obvious which release I was talking about. Regardless of whether he was using his shikai or not (clearly he was), he knows it's name "Engetsu" which is only one letter in Japanese off of "Zangetsu" (The E is swapped for Za, obviously). Did we see him release it? Nah. Because it's the same as Ichigos, it's ALWAYS released in its shikai form.

And that isn't even going in to the logical fallacy that Isshin, being able to fight Aizen fairly level with his sword completely sealed, meant he was able to fight him using less than 2% of his full power, yet he didn't even try the first release when he, yoruichi and urahara were about to be killed?

It would also make it the only swords name we know of in the entire series that hasn't shown it's first release form. Extremely unlikely.

snip

Well sorry, I thought you were arguing about Isshin being in Bankai. There are some things in what you said that can be argued but I'll refrain from it considering the lack of information we know about him. I will just add that we can't talk about Isshin's power yet. Wonderwise aside, the fight between Aizen and Yamamoto made Yama look weaker in comparison, while we just got to see how far above his powers were.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v45/c421/10.html

from page 10 onward

Hogyoku refused Aizen, thereby disintegrating his Zanpaktou.

Because Aizen was weakened, Urahara's Kido was able to activate. (this kido was placed when Urahara fired a shot into him at the fake town)
IT can only be activated when a person's power is weakened.

They're still inseparable, regardless of whether or not he can subjugate it to use its power. The hogyoku is a symbiotic thing in this case--at least I think so, Aizen talks about it when he first merges with it--and allowing Aizen to die would simply leave it without a host. Self-preservation, maybe? I don't know. Central mentioning that he's immortal also points to this, since, naturally, Shinigami are not. A reference is made at Aizen's defeat by Urahara, as well, stating that he wouldn't be able to kill him since he'd already merged with the hogyoku.

As for this Isshin/Juha thing, this is my vague, off-the-cuff theory:

Juha, as a king, was in a position of power before the Quincy extermination. His "children" remark, as someone in this thread mentioned, is just a reference to his people. Masaki I would think, in this scenario, would have some kind of familial connection or something. Depending on how crazy they feel like being, she could be a prospective wife (though I think that'd be ridiculous). I do usually tend to think Isshin is a former Royal Guardsman, but who knows. I wouldn't be shocked if the Quincy extermination was partially overseen by the zero squad and Spirit King--perhaps even the order came from the Spirit King itself. If that turned to be the case and Isshin somehow participated in the war, my guess would then be that he at some point encountered Masaki and they ended up falling in love somehow, all that kind of crap. Anywho, the be all end all is that in this speculation, Isshin used his FGT to escape from Juha and save Masaki. He lost his powers, they lay low and hope to escape. It'd fit congruent within the story, as, upon discovering this type of union (whenever and however that may have been), Aizen became fascinated to see what a Quincy and Shinigami would produce as offspring. He claims to have known from Ichigo from the time he was born, so it can be assumed he knew of this event for a while.

Chapters out

 Spoiler

Kenpachi and Byakuya survived. KUBO.

Also, calling it now. "They won't be able to resume as captains" = they absolutely will resume as captains, when they bust in to save ichigos ass AGAIN later in the arc.

After all those action chapters i guess its back to slow pace again. So many new stories can be started at this point

Ichigo true past
Regain his sword
Gotei 13 reformed
Aizen
Zero division (really want to see this)