Amanda Todd Suicide

Honestly a lot of this just reminds me of that Kony 2012 bullshit. On Facebook I'm seeing people talking about this girl and are like "SO TRAGIC, STOP BULLYING GUYS <3 ".

Give it 24 hours and they'll already have moved on and forgotten it. These people didn't know her and are only making a scene about it and jumping to her defence because it's gotten media attention. They are not dedicated anti-bullying activists, in fact I'm sure many of them have taken part of bullying themselves at some point in their life. Seems like one big hypocrisy orgy to me.

I like how news sites so poignantly feature fucking slideshows of her photos. I'm staying out of this argument but I will say that is disgusting.

I think a big problem here is slut-shaming, particularly when it comes to females.

If you want to have sex for pleasure with more than one person, I'm fine as long as you don't drag me into it. I'm fine with other people being okay to be in polygamous relationships if they all consent [although legally speaking, it's a clusterpineapple.] If you can respect me for wanting to be in a monogamous relationship, then I will respect you for not wanting to be in one.

So yes, if Todd was okay with it, but the guy's girlfriend was not, that's a big problem and Todd shouldn't have done that. I don't remember the article well enough atm to say anything about any of the guy(s) involved. I'm a little sick and tired of hearing how females should save themselves for special guys and that's the only way they can have self-respect and dignity for themselves.

And now I'm wondering why I'm posting because I'm sure most people will reply with ~*~ BIOTRUTHS ~*~ and more female/slut/victim bashing. o well, just another unpopular opinion around here.

Yeah, no. I'd have to respectfully disagree because while the parties involved in bashing and beating her up may be partially slut-shaming I don't really care about that so much as how she pretty much up and went to bang another person's boyfriend knowing that the person's girlfriend was away. If I think that crap is not acceptable for guys it should also not be acceptable for girls to completely disregard another person's feelings (In this case, the other guy's girlfriend because her boyfriend is also in the wrong). I just don't feel sorry for her at all because the sum of her actions shows that she didn't learn anything and she didn't even seek proper help right away because people do mistakes like this all the time but there's hope for them, as long as they actually get the message that "Oh, maybe I should have learned that flashing myself on the Internet is not a particularly bright idea" and learn to exercise more judgement next time.

And yes, you'd be right if you thought I have a problem with teenagers having sex at the age of 15. That applies both ways because neither of them are able to deal with the consequences of such actions and I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that someone shouldn't have sex until they're actually able to deal with whatever results may arise.

Edit: I find it revolting that the main article on this has a link to see more photos of her. Is the fact that she's prettier than most other suicide victims supposed to make me feel more bad for her? Because it has just the opposite effect seeing that what should matter the most is the circumstances in which they died, not how beautiful/rich/smart they were. Way to go to cheapen her life even further, media.

Suicide is the easy way out, in my eyes if you commit suicide all you are is a platypus peach.

The easy way out of what? I'll attempt at explaining a little bit about life and suicide to you.

Life, like all other things in existence, has absolutely no value except to those who give it value. Human beings are given the ability to think and choose for themselves, so they have the ability to choose their own ways of living as well as their own way of dying. The obvious fact is that death cannot be avoided by humans, so how a person chooses to live their lives honestly makes no difference. The only reasons to live are created by each individual person for themselves alone. Your reasons to live may be far different from the next person's and so on. There isn't any cowardice in not seeing any reasons to continue because, again, reasons to live are subjective. How you continue life is a choice, but how you start isn't; people don't choose to be born so you may have been forced into an existence you didn't want in the first place.

People claim suicide is a cowardly choice without realizing that if they were that person they would have killed themselves too; that suicide could not have been prevented. Reality is in the mind, and if the person honestly saw no reason to continue living, or at least saw more reason to die, then it is so and they will die whether they committed suicide or not. Seeing the dead who still live is an awful sight, and one could even say it would be best for their misery to end immediately. It's no different than seeing a suffering, dying animal. Yes, you could allow it to struggle on till it dies on its own, but you could also end it faster for them because that suffering isn't necessary. Life isn't anything more than a very slow death, and it isn't necessary to continue if you don't want to. Choosing to live isn't brave. When you strip everything down to what it all really is you realize that that life you chose meant absolutely nothing, and you as a person meant nothing, and everything you held dear to you meant nothing. You were just another person who existed briefly in time and were forgotten and replaced as that time kept flowing.

Taking the media seriously, word for word is whats killing this generation.

I would say the inability to understand is what is killing mankind.

Some of you are just straight up pathetic.

News flash: acting cold and calloused doesn't make you cool.

News flash, acting ignorant isn't "cool" either.

News flash, acting ignorant isn't "cool" either.

BUT HOW ELSE WILL I BE COOL?

OH MY GOD THIS ISN'T FAIR.


Honestly no one is trying to be "cool" here. We're not 12 years old anymore, I doubt anyone cares about being "cool" in a fucking online forum.

The easy way out of what? I'll attempt at explaining a little bit about life and suicide to you.

Life, like all other things in existence, has absolutely no value except to those who give it value. Human beings are given the ability to think and choose for themselves, so they have the ability to choose their own ways of living as well as their own way of dying. The obvious fact is that death cannot be avoided by humans, so how a person chooses to live their lives honestly makes no difference. The only reasons to live are created by each individual person for themselves alone. Your reasons to live may be far different from the next person's and so on. There isn't any cowardice in not seeing any reasons to continue because, again, reasons to live are subjective. How you continue life is a choice, but how you start isn't; people don't choose to be born so you may have been forced into an existence you didn't want in the first place.

People claim suicide is a cowardly choice without realizing that if they were that person they would have killed themselves too; that suicide could not have been prevented. Reality is in the mind, and if the person honestly saw no reason to continue living, or at least saw more reason to die, then it is so and they will die whether they committed suicide or not. Seeing the dead who still live is an awful sight, and one could even say it would be best for their misery to end immediately. It's no different than seeing a suffering, dying animal. Yes, you could allow it to struggle on till it dies on its own, but you could also end it faster for them because that suffering isn't necessary. Life isn't anything more than a very slow death, and it isn't necessary to continue if you don't want to. Choosing to live isn't brave. When you strip everything down to what it all really is you realize that that life you chose meant absolutely nothing, and you as a person meant nothing, and everything you held dear to you meant nothing. You were just another person who existed briefly in time and were forgotten and replaced as that time kept flowing.



I would say the inability to understand is what is killing mankind.

as a person who sees absolutely no value in life, i still think that those who suicide are just being selfish idiots. you may not see any value in your life, you may hate your life, but pineapple as flonne said, if someone else can have it worse and smile, why do you have to give up?

if i was her i wouldn't have killed myself, no matter who i was i wouldn't have killed myself, because doing so means giving up and not caring a single bit about those that are around you, and to me that's unacceptable. the fact it's easier for people to kill themselves rather than discuss with ANYONE about what's pushing them to the edge is plain retarded to me.

quoting my messenger line, which i've had for years: "death awaits us all, no need for shortcuts"

BUT HOW ELSE WILL I BE COOL?

OH MY GOD THIS ISN'T FAIR.


Honestly no one is trying to be "cool" here. We're not 12 years old anymore, I doubt anyone cares about being "cool" in a fucking online forum.

oh shush, you're such an e-bully anyways.


anyways, i hate these topics, they make me feel cold, even when i know i don't have and will never have all the info. you guys are too passionate.

I didn't mock her death or anything.

In this particular case..I can't honestly say with a straight face I'm sad to see her go. She was just another reinforcement of the 3DPD stereotype that is becoming less joke and more fact, these days.

Im so over hearing about these kids killing themselves over "bullying" issues. People have been bullied FOREVER yet this next generation cant handle it? Quit being stupid children and learn the difference between criticism and being "bullied".

you should keep in mind that back in the day.( im not that old) you could excape the bulling. For instance if you bullied at school. There was usally a place where you could have human interaction with your same age group that did not know about your bulling. or at least didnt bring it up. But the new style of bulling using the internet means that most anyone in america has easy access to the content in which you are being bullied. Hence no place of "escape". Yes you have a house in which usally u wont be bullied there, but if you try to find salvation through the internet then your screwed. ANd the internet is the most likely place one would go.

But I did watch a video about it and in it I could see that she herself did make Mistakes. She slept with that boy and posted her boobs in a video. But if people cant recognize that children make mistakes, then I guess those people should ridicule them to death and beyond......

News flash, acting ignorant isn't "cool" either.

I'm painfully aware of how pointless arguing with someone like yourself is, but I'm just going to make this one post and leave it at that. If anything, you're the one remaining ignorant. By all means, respond to this post and tell everyone how you "ripped it to shreds" and "owned" me, but you'll be hard-pressed to find me caring what you have to say (P.S. in case you were wondering [MENTION=5537]Locked[/MENTION], he's one of the people who cares about appearing cool online).

You guys are all so quick to jump to these predetermined opinions of her that you jump to conclusions without knowing all of the facts (note: I'm not claiming to know all of them either). The point that I'm trying to make is that you guys do not know this girl. You don't know whether or not she had been abused as a child, lived with parents that beat her, etc. There are so many variables that need to be taken into consideration when you call a girl a "slut." It's not like she was just going out and having sex with the guy cause she wanted to have sex, she went over because she needed a friend and he took advantage of her when she was clearly at a low point in her life. As if that's totally not Plan A in a guy getting laid strategy.

What you choose to ascertain from that video is your own, but don't be so hasty to label someone a slut because you think they're deserving of getting their ass kicked, or worse, dying.

I'm painfully aware of how pointless arguing with someone like yourself is,

It's hard to contradict the "correct".

but I'm just going to make this one post and leave it at that. If anything, you're the one remaining ignorant. By all means, respond to this post and tell everyone how you "ripped it to shreds" and "owned" me, but you'll be hard-pressed to find me caring what you have to say (P.S. in case you were wondering @Locked, he's one of the people who cares about appearing cool online).

Yeah, cool for a bunch of southperricans. I'm sorry but if I was that superficial I wouldn't bothering arguing and asking for social acceptance of the community. Thus would avoid touchy topics involing homosexuality. I'm sorry this is the only article you read, I'm sorry that you can't see past the word bully and not see the personality of the person. Remain in your blissful ignorant perspective.

Just to further piss on your parade, Locked and I actually get along, we have very similar opinions, so looking for support would require you to do some necessary, research.

You guys are all so quick to jump to these predetermined opinions of her that you jump to conclusions without knowing all of the facts (note: I'm not claiming to know all of them either). The point that I'm trying to make is that you guys do not know this girl. You don't know whether or not she had been abused as a child, lived with parents that beat her, etc. There are so many variables that need to be taken into consideration when you call a girl a "slut."

I'm sorry but I don't recall using that derogative or share that opinion. I don't think suicide is a cowards way out, thus I haven't spoken specifically on that. I believe that the "bullying" is being overexaggerated based on the fact her choices essentially antagonized and put it on herself. You commited suicide after she got beat up for starting an unnecessary conflict. She slept with him to spite the girlfriend, needless to say, that's a pretty highschool method of attacking in "girls world". She was not bullied for simply being topless, she used drugs, she drank, and she probably made worse choices. With these facts I can get a good idea of what position she was in. Especially when she had to relocate school's 4 times. She didn't learn her lessons in fact she multiplied them. If you want to make a thread or an article, it should be confronting not the over exaggerated bullying, but the fact her decisions to rely on her body/involvement in illegal substances may have put her in a pretty piss poor position.

Her lifestyle is irrelevant, whether bullying is right or wrong, is irrelevant, it's how you act that is in fact, relevant. There's your problem, you're looking for reasons for people like me, who see this, as a way to make the victim look like the bad guy. This, to me is irrelevant. This to me, doesn't matter, not because I'm cold, not because I'm "evil", it's because she repeated actions which gave negative results. She took this persona and amplified it, when retaliated she took her own life. Should I feel bad for someone who antagonizes then gets her just desserts on her inconsiderate behavior? In general no, should I suddenly flip that entire perspective around because she commited suicide? Seems more like you're fickle. Suicide or death rather does not grant a clean slate.

It's not like she was just going out and having sex with the guy cause she wanted to have sex, she went over because she needed a friend and he took advantage of her when she was clearly at a low point in her life. As if that's totally not Plan A in a guy getting laid strategy.

The problem with your assumption is it doesn't match this girl's personality. She wasn't a quiet loner who couldn't reach out to people. If you actually read what the students say, she got around a lot and developed being the practice girl. She switched schools because she was harrassed about the topless pictures, by a single guy. This happened once. It didn't happen four goddamn times. She got help by proffesionals, although it didn't do much. Her personality is clearly attention grabbing using her body, and she got direspected for it.

So how do you get this innocent persona?

What you choose to ascertain from that video is your own, but don't be so hasty to label someone a slut because you think they're deserving of getting their ass kicked, or worse, dying.

....That's why you read more than one website, read more than one opinion and filter out the bollocks. But clearly you haven't read any my posts otherwise you wouldn't be quoting me saying "DONT CALL HER A SL`UT".

So I'm glad your "single last post" was a flimsy slap.

copypasta'd but I agree with it.

To all the people talking about Amanda Todd.
First, to all the people saying she's a national hero, a national martyr. Get your facts straight. She's freaking Canadian.

Secondly, she flashed her breasts to people. Nobody made her do it. She did it of her own free will. If she wasn't so weak and easily flattered, none of this would've happened. This incident was very much her fault. Unlike Trayvon Martin, she had full control over herself.

Third, social network media has this option. Blocking people. Use it.
Fourth, if you're going to have sex with someone who you know already has a girlfriend, be ready to suffer the consequences.

Fifth, she made the conscious choice to have sex with this guy. No one made her do it. There's nothing wrong with the system. #lonelyislandswag

Sixth, there's so many counseling and suicide hotlines she literally could've called any of them.

Seventh, every forty seconds someone commits suicide. Why don't you try to fix the real underlying problem beneath these suicides. Fix the social inequalities that exist, fix the homeless that are starving, instead of fretting over this one girl who had it all but then flashed people out of her own conscious will.

TL;DR: Amanda Todd shouldn't have all the attention she has

To people saying previous generations were bullied and still were able to get through life while current generations are stupid for not being able, I got 2 words: The internet. Even if stuff like social networks and chat apps already existed 10 years ago, its integration to society nor its relevance were as big as today. Media in general sets in people's minds standards or models to what society and its members should be like, then when someone derails from those models they get criticized. Now the internet amplifies that criticism by a thousand by making it able to reach much more people and get all kind of feedback without any regulation or repercussion. The interned is a two-edged sword for many things.

While I'm not gonna discuss wether she is guilty or not of commiting a mistake and/or paid the price for it, I consider the ultimate conclusion to this should be it is pretty sad she wasn't able to reach the right solutions in time. Everyone commits mistakes, but that doesn't mean we should put a label on those that did wrong and ditch them out of society forever. If they can prove they have learned from their mistakes and can move forward, their past shouldn't matter anymore, and I think that what was missing for this girl was someone to teach her that. I believe it is obvious from the fact her parents are divorced and that she barely mentioned him in her video that he was not there for her.

To finish, I believe it is stupid bullying has become such an issue that's pushing suicides all over the world. Goes to show what happens when society overlooks an issue thats obviously wrong. It grows and grows to the point it matters. It is time goverments start taking this problem into their hands.

A person can make a mistake. However, if they make that same mistake a second time (or in her case, who knows how many dozens of times), they did not learn from it, and deserve no sympathy. Making mistakes is fine, because you will not do it again if you have any common sense; either you got constructive criticism on how to avoid it and recognize that it's much easier to do things a different way, or you were ridiculed and want to avoid the embarrassment. However, she seemed to be too much of an attention whore to let a little thing like common sense get in her way. Things escalated far beyond her ability to control, and she killed herself because of it.

First off, assumptions. We don't know how much of an attention whore she was prior to this nor how many mistakes she made, while hey! it is not hard to commit a mistake and then get labeled for it for all that period of life. I think many of us here know about that.

Second, the problem is she didn't get construcitive criticism, she was ridiculed and even beat for her mistakes. While (this is partially an assumption) having no one to help her deal with it. She was 15, prolly younger when it all started, I don't think she was mature enough to figure out the right conlusions on her own while having to deal with the pressure at the same time.

But if people cant recognize that children make mistakes, then I guess those people should ridicule them to death and beyond......

A person can make a mistake. However, if they make that same mistake a second time (or in her case, who knows how many dozens of times), they did not learn from it, and deserve no sympathy. Making mistakes is fine, because you will not do it again if you have any common sense; either you got constructive criticism on how to avoid it and recognize that it's much easier to do things a different way, or you were ridiculed and want to avoid the embarrassment. However, she seemed to be too much of an attention whore to let a little thing like common sense get in her way. Things escalated far beyond her ability to control, and she killed herself because of it.

Some people want to escape genuine plight, some people have the delusional fantasies of "at least people will like me at my funeral", and some people, people like her, think life is so terribly hard it's impossible to pick up the pieces when in reality the hole was dug entirely on their own.

To people saying previous generations were bullied and still were able to get through life while current generations are stupid for not being able, I got 2 words: The internet. Even if stuff like social networks and chat apps already existed 10 years ago, its integration to society nor its relevance were as big as today. Media in general sets in people's minds standards or models to what society and its members should be like, then when someone derails from those models they get criticized. Now the internet amplifies that criticism by a thousand by making it able to reach much more people and get all kind of feedback without any regulation or repercussion. The interned is a two-edged sword for many things.

As stated by several people in this thread- social media sites have the option of blocking people. You can very easily anonymously search around on the internet and enjoy what it has to offer without being on facebook trying to get attention. If you MUST be logged in to some social site, you can easily block the people abusing you. The internet is full of trolls and people that act up because you cannot physically see them, thus it can be a harsh place. If you go on social media sites looking for attention and sympathy, you are really asking for some s'hit.

While I'm not gonna discuss wether she is guilty or not of commiting a mistake and/or paid the price for it, I consider the ultimate conclusion to this should be it is pretty sad she wasn't able to reach the right solutions in time. Everyone commits mistakes, but that doesn't mean we should put a label on those that did wrong and ditch them out of society forever. If they can prove they have learned from their mistakes and can move forward, their past shouldn't matter anymore, and I think that what was missing for this girl was someone to teach her that. I believe it is obvious from the fact her parents are divorced and that she barely mentioned him in her video that he was not there for her.

I don't know to the extent of which she tried to get professional help, but from what I read it seemed there were some mild attempts. Society did not "ditch" her, but her continual decision to make bad decisions without evaluating the consequences put her in continually worse situations. She really isn't the victim as much as the media is portraying her to be. Bullying is a terrible thing, but if you are giving people reasons to bully you, it becomes a lot harder to move past it.

Also, I don't know how much her parents were there for her, but I know her Dad did take her to the hospital when she drank the bleach and also found her after she was beat up and took her home. At the very least, it doesn't seem that he was completely negligent. Past that, it seems unreasonable to blame her parents for her decisions. I know plently of people with divorced parents and they certainly are not making choices like these.

As stated by several people in this thread- social media sites have the option of blocking people. You can very easily anonymously search around on the internet and enjoy what it has to offer without being on facebook trying to get attention. If you MUST be logged in to some social site, you can easily block the people abusing you. The internet is full of trolls and people that act up because you cannot physically see them, thus it can be a harsh place. If you go on social media sites looking for attention and sympathy, you are really asking for some s'hit..

She could have blocked all the people she wanted, she could have deleted her facebook or stop using any social network all together but people would be still talking about it. Keep in mind the central scenario to this was real life, intertet was just the media people were using to criticize her without telling it to her face. I think it is expecting too much to ask someone of that age to shut themselves to the world and ignore all the people around her judging.

Also, I don't know how much her parents were there for her, but I know her Dad did take her to the hospital when she drank the bleach and also found her after she was beat up and took her home. At the very least, it doesn't seem that he was completely negligent. Past that, it seems unreasonable to blame her parents for her decisions. I know plently of people with divorced parents and they certainly are not making choices like these.

Lol taking her to the Hospital doesn't show he was a father to her, you would expect that from anybody, and picking her up after getting beat would be the least you would expect from a father. I'm not saying being divorced was the cause that he wasn't there for her, more like it shows her family already had issues like someone else mentioned and that those issues prolly carried on to her relationship with him. She prolly didn't trust him to speak of anything of what was going on and that you can blame him for.

She could have blocked all the people she wanted, she could have deleted her facebook or stop using any social network all together but people would be still talking about it. Keep in mind the central scenario to this was real life, interted was just the media people were using to criticize her without telling it to her face. I think it is expecting too much to ask someone of that age to shut themselves to the world and ignore all the people around her judging her.

If the central scenario is real life, then why couldn't she stop using facebook? I understand that it is a big part of life for many people nowadays, but if she 1) has no friends (thus removing the practical use of social media), 2) Facebook is giving her more problems than solutions, and 3) people are tormenting her on it, then maybe getting off facebook is a good idea. Considering she kept switching schools, it would be significantly harder for these things to follow her if she removed herself from social media. As long as she used it, more people saw the bullying she was being subjected to and it was always on her mind. I can't imagine that if a girl switched to a school and then some people posted things on facebook that the entire population of her new school was all jump in on the "lets torment the new girl" bandwagon.

Idk, I guess it doesn't matter what I think since it is not what she did, but all I am saying is that there are ways to remove yourself from sources of strife without completely isolating yourself from the internet/world.

I see your point, but then again we fall into not knowing the details of what was exactly happening to her in real life. We don't trully know how much bullying was going on her outside of the internet or how many and which other her mistakes where. How involved her dad was in all this, etc. Again the conclusion to this should be it is sad she couldn't find the right answers in time.

As a last note I will say if it is proven the bully did spread her picture among all the students of her school, then followed her and did the same after she moved to another one, like heck he should be charged for that.

I'm painfully aware of how pointless arguing with someone like yourself is, but I'm just going to make this one post and leave it at that. If anything, you're the one remaining ignorant. By all means, respond to this post and tell everyone how you "ripped it to shreds" and "owned" me, but you'll be hard-pressed to find me caring what you have to say (P.S. in case you were wondering [MENTION=5537]Locked[/MENTION], he's one of the people who cares about appearing cool online).

You guys are all so quick to jump to these predetermined opinions of her that you jump to conclusions without knowing all of the facts (note: I'm not claiming to know all of them either). The point that I'm trying to make is that you guys do not know this girl. You don't know whether or not she had been abused as a child, lived with parents that beat her, etc. There are so many variables that need to be taken into consideration when you call a girl a "slut." It's not like she was just going out and having sex with the guy cause she wanted to have sex, she went over because she needed a friend and he took advantage of her when she was clearly at a low point in her life. As if that's totally not Plan A in a guy getting laid strategy.

What you choose to ascertain from that video is your own, but don't be so hasty to label someone a slut because you think they're deserving of getting their ass kicked, or worse, dying.

Actually, I'd probably feel very sorry for her if I only read that biased article and watched her awfully pretentious video and decided at face value that OMG she did nothing to deserve this and she was such a pretty angel that was bullied to death!

...after reading the article, seeking out more info and finding out the other things that led to her suicide that was conveniently left out of the story I feel sorry for her the same way I feel sorry for people that are Darwin Awards material. I'm sad in the sense that they could have done better and survived if they hadn't disowned common sense at the earliest opportunity but I can't bring myself to pity them, especially if these people somehow get charged for murder WHEN no one was responsible for Amanda Todd's suicide but Amanda Todd herself.

Harassment charges? Yes. Assault charges? Yes. Murder? Hell no, she tied that noose herself both literally and figuratively because I don't care how bad of a background you have but there's just no hope for anyone that thinks that doing things like flashing and subsequently going to sleep with someone else's boyfriend is not going to land you in a steaming pile of pineapples.

Saying that she doesn't deserve to be called a slut is one thing, but shifting the blame to other parties like what the media is trying to do when she played a very conscious role in her own doom is quite another.