Thoughts on the new PvP Grand Battle

They aren't the best. At most they're suicide bombers.

If you defined it as classes who go in, do damage and then die, "suicide bomber" would literally define every class in the game.

If you defined it as classes who go in, do damage and then die, "suicide bomber" would literally define every class in the game.

I define it by the fact that nearly all mechs get most of their kills by damage reflect, if you kill a mech, and he had low hp, you still take the amount of damage as if he took a full blow( like all classes with DR save cannoneers).
They're squishy, and they have a strong damage reflect. They thrive off their own life to get kills. They're basically suicide bombers.

Discounting that sweeping absolute about every Mechanic having the same kind of play, I'm pretty sure it's literally impossible to find a class that doesn't thrive off their own life to get kills in pvp.

I get what you're saying, I just think calling them suicide bombers doesn't really work. They have attacks, the DR is just a bonus. It isn't what they're defined by, and if you're going to call Mechanics suicide bombers you need to include every other class with DR because they can do the same thing, only better since they have more hp.

Discounting that sweeping absolute about every Mechanic having the same kind of play, I'm pretty sure it's literally impossible to find a class that doesn't thrive off their own life to get kills in pvp.

I get what you're saying, I just think calling them suicide bombers doesn't really work. They have attacks, the DR is just a bonus. It isn't what they're defined by, and if you're going to call Mechanics suicide bombers you need to include every other class with DR because they can do the same thing, only better since they have more hp.

The difference between mechanics and other classes with DR is that everyone else has a % chance to reflect something when hit while mechanic's DR is active 100% of the time. This makes them one of the riskiest classes to attack with a big hit or ultimate because the reflect is guaranteed.

The other classes are not suicide bombers because there is no incentive to suicide: they would much rather live and rely on spray-and-pray. DR classes (mechanic especially) have a huge incentive to throw themselves into the crossfire and become cannon fodder because there is an actual significant gain that can be achieved by doing this other than resetting cooldowns.

Oh okay, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.

if you're going to call Mechanics suicide bombers you need to include every other class with DR because they can do the same thing, only better since they have more hp.

Lol i haven't fought a mech yet but to make this claim is pretty comical. A class simply having any kind of DR doesn't make them a suicide bomber. Mechs having 100% DR as well as their summons literally exploding would though.

Mechs get 100% DR in PvP, and there's no safe spots? Never have I thought having less buffs would be such a good thing. Only need to turn on Perfect Armor and possibly Satellites, and I'd be set to trololo everyone there.

They aren't the best. At most they're suicide bombers.

No one said they were the best. You said Cannoneers are the only good Pirates and I modified your statement to include Mechanics.

No one said they were the best. You said Cannoneers are the only good Pirates and I modified your statement to include Mechanics.

Suicide bombers are good?
I fail to see how getting maybe a 1or2:1 ratio is a good class, unless you're [MENTION=7585]Kizo[/MENTION]; with massive amounts of %hp.

Suicide bombers are good?

If they have the capacity to get more than the one kill they may or may not be guaranteed from their death, sure.

If they have the capacity to get more than the one kill they may or may not be guaranteed from their death, sure.

If you aren't [MENTION=7585]Kizo[/MENTION];, then most strong people 1hko you anyway. There's not much of a capacity to get high kill streaks.

Lol i haven't fought a mech yet but to make this claim is pretty comical. A class simply having any kind of DR doesn't make them a suicide bomber. Mechs having 100% DR as well as their summons literally exploding would though.

Honestly I thought it was just me not getting it, but if the whole % based chance vs a Mech's 100% chance to reflect is true (I don't play any of the classes in question) I guess it makes sense? I mean I still think it's a poor choice of words but I can't think of anything better. There are some battles not worth fighting, arguing over a nickname someone wants to call a class in a video game skips straight over that line and heads down to the park to have a picnic.

I still don't get how one aspect of what the class is capable of now defines the class, but Selphie and Bomber at least clarified exactly what they meant so... *shrug*

Got 104 kills to 2 deaths just now, and I don't think I'm gonna bother doing this anymore. Would have had 100-0 but I got Sniped by a Marksman near the end.

Everyone in GAZED that PvPs seems to hate me/thinks I hack, to the point that 3 times I've joined rooms and everyone has left and I've been left alone. This isn't fun at all. ._.

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So I'm with Mazz. Everyone in GAZED seems to dislike me because it's pretty unfair in nearly every map of PvP to have me in it. I almost never get hit and kill everything in one hit. it's severely unbalanced. The only classes that are a threat are Demon Slayers and Mechanics for me since those are usually suicide kills. Even unbuffed I still find everyone having a hard time to kill me with the crazy amount of avoid phantoms have. I just did 250-10 and don't plan on doing PvP anymore for the time being. I think the current format is fun, but it just needs to be balanced out so that everyone can have a fair shot at it.

So I'm with Mazz. Everyone in GAZED seems to dislike me because it's pretty unfair in nearly every map of PvP to have me in it. I almost never get hit and kill everything in one hit. it's severely unbalanced. The only classes that are a threat are Demon Slayers and Mechanics for me since those are usually suicide kills. Even unbuffed I still find everyone having a hard time to kill me with the crazy amount of avoid phantoms have. I just did 250-10 and don't plan on doing PvP anymore for the time being. I think the current format is fun, but it just needs to be balanced out so that everyone can have a fair shot at it.

Dual Blades don't even seem to have the insanity tier avoid that Phantoms do and it bugs me. I feel it'd be better if they were as hittable but still possible to get missed like Dual Blades.

So I'm with Mazz. Everyone in GAZED seems to dislike me because it's pretty unfair in nearly every map of PvP to have me in it.

lol, same thing that happened to me when I PvP'd. People see a DS and instantly leave.

I mean I used to make people "ragequit" and "AFK" in old PvP, but this is ridiculous...

when i went in there i had 1:1 kill/death so no it's not that fun for me

LOL mike accused of hacking for being pro oxoxox

I thought DS were more like suicide bombers than mechs =D. Not only do they fly around you with their poisonous gas (of course dark meta) they also suicide bomb you when you try and attack them (vengeance). In comparison to DS vs mechs though, DS has more hp respectively, but I suppose mechs have more luxury with attacks and skills. I don't see mechs as a full frontal jump into the crowd class though unless you're crazy hp washed. DS look more like a walking, ticking, time bomb. Not to say that DS doesn't have any attacks at all, but all their skills just seems so slow if you ask me and charging up DF looks like a total waste of time you'd rather go kill yourself to recover it.

It's completely dead in Bera. is it like that in any of the other worlds?
I've switched two channels now and there is no one doing the high rank tier. I managed to get only 8 wins and 2 kills and my gallant emblem gauge has been stuck on 1/3rd for about 10 minutes now..

Dual Blades don't even seem to have the insanity tier avoid that Phantoms do and it bugs me. I feel it'd be better if they were as hittable but still possible to get missed like Dual Blades.

Yea I had absolutely no trouble holding my own against the other thief classes. They seemed completely inferior to a phantom in terms of livability. Night Lords are terrible here. Shadowers get an edge with smokescreen, but even then running around in dark sight is useless if they're just going to miss me with assassinate. Dual Blades run the same problem. Seriously as long as there are no mechs or demon slayers in a room I can literally go undefeated; the longest streak I had so far was like 84 in a match of 150 kills. I understand that in general, your gear will affect your overall power in PvP, but not to the extent that one shotting, 100% invincibility, or complete evasion exist. I do like how status ailments are useful now though, giving naturally unwanted classes an advantage, such as Paladins.