How many people are REALLY still playing Maplestory?

KMS players are NOT GMS players. The fact that Nexon fails to realize this is why GMS is failing in my strong opinion. It doesn't have to be a completely different game from KMS, but much like JMS and TMS, you have to cater towards your audience or die. Nexon has ignorantly chose the latter.

Who are you and why are you making so much sense, I like the cut of your jib, post more

W--What? I don't think you understand what my formula represents. Current players of maplestory must be masochists to enjoy the game.

They don't have to be and repeatedly saying stupid pomegranate like this is why people get aggressive with you.

They don't have to be and repeatedly saying stupid pomegranate like this is why people get aggressive with you.

Anyone who plays a game that has a reputation of DC hacking, duping, data base leaks, constant glitches that result in crashes in environments that are "certain # times a day", for half a decade is crazy. Anyone who puts up with that and still decides to play is masochistic, they are waiting to get burned because it's inevitably going to happen and be handled as if you're the villain.

Anyone who plays a game that has a reputation of DC hacking, duping, data base leaks, constant glitches that result in crashes in environments that are "certain # times a day", for half a decade is crazy. Anyone who puts up with that and still decides to play is masochistic, they are waiting to get burned because it's inevitably going to happen and be handled as if you're the villain.

The same could also be said of anyone who repeatedly tries to argue the same point in every single thread to be honest. You're not helping people 'see the light' or anything, if that's what you think you're doing :|

The same could also be said of anyone who repeatedly tries to argue the same point in every single thread to be honest. You're not helping people 'see the light' or anything, if that's what you think you're doing :|

I don't think you know what Masochism means, or anyone who tries to reverse it for that matter. If anything, if you want to take this as a tumblr-esque standpoint, I'm bullying if anything. Truth be told I'm more curious on the reactions, it really does reveal who are completely oblivious of the circumstances, who will straight up lie out of denial of their, well to be quite frank, irresponsible decision.

I mean we had someone in this thread try to claim that the population hasn't dropped at all haha.

I enjoy this kind of stuff.

And that my friends is how to kill a pika thread

KMS players are NOT GMS players. The fact that Nexon fails to realize this is why GMS is failing in my strong opinion. It doesn't have to be a completely different game from KMS, but much like JMS and TMS, you have to cater towards your audience or die. Nexon has ignorantly chose the latter.

I disagree with this. I don't think that GMS is failing because Nexon America isn't trying to cater towards their players. They are trying to cater towards us, and that's what's been screwing us over, in my opinion. They don't have nearly as much experience as the people who run KMS, and it shows. So far, Nexon America's attempt at making changes so that GMS differs from KMS has caused the game to become a huge mess.

I truly believe that GMS would have done much better if we received exact updates from KMS, with our own content sprinkled here and there. Rather than how it is currently, where every now and then we receive altered content for the most part.

Let me attempt to clarify what I mean, since I usually don't do a good job of explaining myself.
1. An example of the type of content that I wish GMS would stick to doing:
New Leaf City - A unique area, made for us, that Nexon America can do pretty much whatever they want to with. Things like this works fine, because even if the content becomes terrible (like most players feel it has become now) you can just ignore it in-game, and do everything else the game has to offer. People can give their feedback, and eventually Nexon America can try again at making it into something that people would enjoy.
2. An example of GMS's attempt to change content coming from KMS that, because they lack experience, didn't work out so well:

 Spoiler

This one's tougher, I have a few examples in mind, but players have also complained when this was eventually un-done (mostly because it positively affected them in some way). The example I'll give here is Party Play Lion King's Castle (I very much expect people to disagree with me on this, but that's fine. This is simply my opinion.) As people should remember, LKC continued to stay as a Party Play area much longer than it had in KMS. During the update that upgraded LKC into a 'Theme Dungeon', GMS decided to keep Party Play around longer. I don't think we ever got much of an explanation as to why it eventually lost Party-Play, but I believe it was because of the "bad air" that the area started to gain. We had an issue where people were unfairly increasing the low-spawn there, and the issue grew because players started to except the exploit as an okay occurrence. Another problem with this was that most high-level players decided to continue grinding at LKC way past the normal level range that LKC was intended to cover. This meant that places that could have been more widely used were instead ignored, because LKC was too good. (There's probably more, but that alone made it so that I never touched LKC while it was party play, I hated the idea of continuing to grind on 120ish mobs forever.)

Eh, this part got long and ramble-y, so I'll put it into a spoiler tag. My point is, they're not good at making their own adjustments to existing content, and because of that those changes either cause huge problems or eventually get reverted to what they should be in later updates (for simplicity's sake I guess).
I know most versions of Maple make changes to the game, and people seem to be okay with that; but our Nexon's just not good at it. =/

It would have made much more sense for Nexon America to only make changes to content that they made. That way, if something went wrong, it would have had a much lower affect on the overall game and they could eventually learn from their mistakes and improve their content, as well as try and keep it up-to-date with how new KMS content is made.

Anyways, that's just what I think, though. I know for sure that plenty of people disagree. Plenty of people liked things like LKC with Party Play, the Luminous/Kaiser/AB changes, and the messy Unleashed UI - I'm just not one of those people, is all.

EDIT: All of that said, it also probably doesn't help that Nexon America seems to require permission to do anything out of the ordinary, but maybe there's a reason that they've been put into that position now~ *cough* previous mistakes they've made *cough*

That's quite the exaggeration. It took me two hours max. While I do agree the quests are a pain, I feel that there are a few reasons as to why they're in place. A small population of maple actually likes the quests/dialogues/storylines. Also, it's one more deterrent for hackers (dunno how much it actually helps, but yeah).

>it took me two hours max
Seriously? Even if you skipped the dialogue, freeing all the demon kids, doing the jump quests in between each kill quest, killing well over 1,000 sparsely populated monsters, moving to the actual forest area, doing -those- kill quests, navigating the forest maze, doing the kill quests in the forest maze, praying to god that the maze doesn't reset, completing the notorious "find 100 rare drops" quest, and then completing the second notorious "find 50 rare drops" quest would take a player well over two hours unless you've just done it before and know how to speedrun through it. The drop quests alone have been known to take some players well over an hour each. Perhaps seven hours was an overestimation, since I was completing them without knowing what I was getting into, but I would love to see anyone do all of that in two hours or less.

>it took me two hours max
Seriously? Even if you skipped the dialogue, freeing all the demon kids, doing the jump quests in between each kill quest, killing well over 1,000 sparsely populated monsters, moving to the actual forest area, doing -those- kill quests, navigating the forest maze, doing the kill quests in the forest maze, praying to god that the maze doesn't reset, completing the notorious "find 100 rare drops" quest, and then completing the second notorious "find 50 rare drops" quest would take a player well over two hours unless you've just done it before and know how to speedrun through it. The drop quests alone have been known to take some players well over an hour each. Perhaps seven hours was an overestimation, since I was completing them without knowing what I was getting into, but I would love to see anyone do all of that in two hours or less.

Don't bother, she'll just make up sh`it to back herself up on a fallacious pedestal. Glad I never had to endure such a Chore

I think my point was a little lost because I was on a 15 minute break, but maybe I can clarify a bit better now.

Yes, regions is what I meant. And I am aware that GMS is not KMS, I do know Maplers that have quit maplestory, but still keep up with the lore through other maplers. We live in a day and age where you don't have to level to 200 to know what happens. I was fully aware of Luminous's plot before GMS got him thanks to a Korean Wiki. All the same, just because the population dies out, this doesn't mean people stop liking the story. That's a fact because I know Maplers that fit that bill to a T. Alternatively, you have people that don't have a nexon account at all writing things for Maplestory. Why? They can find it all online. Just because it's not mabinogi level deep in lore doesn't mean people can't enjoy a simple storyline. The anime industry should have taught you this.

I think my point was a little lost because I was on a 15 minute break, but maybe I can clarify a bit better now.

Yes, regions is what I meant. And I am aware that GMS is not KMS, I do know Maplers that have quit maplestory, but still keep up with the lore through other maplers. We live in a day and age where you don't have to level to 200 to know what happens. I was fully aware of Luminous's plot before GMS got him thanks to a Korean Wiki. All the same, just because the population dies out, this doesn't mean people stop liking the story. That's a fact because I know Maplers that fit that bill to a T. Alternatively, you have people that don't have a nexon account at all writing things for Maplestory. Why? They can find it all online. Just because it's not mabinogi level deep in lore doesn't mean people can't enjoy a simple storyline. The anime industry should have taught you this.

You know what, add me on Skype, I'll show you a real story

I got some errands to run real fast since I'm already out but I'll add you when I get home.

I'm always up for a good story.

All you're doing is putting your own experiences above everything else.

I swear to god this is what you pineappleing do every time you talk about Maplestory. A thing you always eventually point out in your 500 page arguments is how Nexon doesn't know how to ban for pomegranate and despite being a "legit" player you have just a good a chance of being banned as anyone else. To me this sounds like a personal experience more than anything but hell if I know.
Also masochism is completely self-defined, why the hell are you using that word so much.

I swear to god this is what you pineappleing do every time you talk about Maplestory. A thing you always eventually point out in your 500 page arguments is how Nexon doesn't know how to ban for pomegranate and despite being a "legit" player you have just a good a chance of being banned as anyone else. To me this sounds like a personal experience more than anything but hell if I know.

Well with 3 incidents regarding mass permaban in error (one as early as last year), you clearly don't know anything.

Also masochism is completely self-defined, why the hell are you using that word so much.

No.

masochism


mas·och·ism

[mas-uh-kiz-uhm, maz-] Show IPA
noun1.Psychiatry. the condition in which sexual gratification depends onsuffering physical pain or humiliation.

2.gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc.,inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, especially the tendency to seekthis form of gratification.

3.the act of turning one's destructive tendencies inward or upon oneself.

4.the tendency to find pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.



Essentially by playing you're just waiting to be the one to be f`ucked over, demonstrated throughout the years with little to no change. Get over it I suppose

@Words;

Wasn't it you who said anyone who tries to argue with me is a masochist?

Checkmate

I swear to god this is what you pineappleing do every time you talk about Maplestory. A thing you always eventually point out in your 500 page arguments is how Nexon doesn't know how to ban for pomegranate and despite being a "legit" player you have just a good a chance of being banned as anyone else. To me this sounds like a personal experience more than anything but hell if I know.

If you don't why bother? There are plenty threads about it, last ones were a couple months I think, and it happened to a lot of people.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...y%20Others
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...aplestory?

I'm too lazy to look for the one in which Green4ever(?) posted what happened to him and how he got unbanned because it was a mistake... and being connected. I don't know why you'd deny that it happens without knowing.

What baffles me about these threads... or not these threads but the people who post saying maple is just fine is that they ignore every single thing that proves them wrong. Ignore what xparasite posted in the first pages of this threads about who is getting banned, ignore these threads that I'll post below that aren't even old so you can pretend that's all is fine. Say that the game's fine, that it just got a few flaws if that makes you happy but the reality is that the game is shi't.

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...20problems
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...acking...?

@KhainiWest; yeah, but I'm starting to think it's just random people messing around with you.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the "second chance" bullpomegranate they did where they unbanned all this hackers. Game's sweet. I don't even know why I play stuff that's clearly inferior and actually free.

Be it masochistic or not, they are still deriving pleasure from something. There are many things in life I complain about but still love doing. Concert ticket prices are ridiculous, the price of the beers at the venues absurd, the price to park to go to the venue worse, and etc., but I love my music and while yes i complain about all the other stuff I still go. I am the same way about Maplestory. Yes many things make me upset about it, but I still end up deriving more pleasure than displeasure. That is the nice thing, we are all free to choose what we like to do. I just do not see the need to try to change others minds about what they like to do. Just go with the flow

>it took me two hours max
Seriously? Even if you skipped the dialogue, freeing all the demon kids, doing the jump quests in between each kill quest, killing well over 1,000 sparsely populated monsters, moving to the actual forest area, doing -those- kill quests, navigating the forest maze, doing the kill quests in the forest maze, praying to god that the maze doesn't reset, completing the notorious "find 100 rare drops" quest, and then completing the second notorious "find 50 rare drops" quest would take a player well over two hours unless you've just done it before and know how to speedrun through it. The drop quests alone have been known to take some players well over an hour each. Perhaps seven hours was an overestimation, since I was completing them without knowing what I was getting into, but I would love to see anyone do all of that in two hours or less.

According to this guy, it took him 3-4 hours. I also followed this to make sure I was only doing the quests that were absolutely necessary- which killing the fat blue and red guys, is not.

When I did the quests, I also did them with a group of people, so when I needed to kill the typhons/leprechauns it went fairly quick. Not only that, but it was during 2x that I found the drops. I'd say it's more a matter of working smarter, not harder than anything. Although I am sincerely sorry that you spent that amount of time on those quests, because that sucks.

Essentially, you want GMS to differ ENTIRELY from KMS because the audience?

clearly. Nexon CEO Owen Mahoney said it himself.

We shouldn’t try to sell kimchi to people who just want to eat hamburgers

Well if we ignore WoW we still have dota. Still going strong 11 years later with a still growing playerbase.

how many people actually play the original DotA? Don't confuse dota 2 with Defense of the Ancients.

Don't bother, she'll just make up sh`it to back herself up on a fallacious pedestal. Glad I never had to endure such a chore

perhaps you should elucidate on what exactly is a chore aspect of the games.
for example, having to maintain a monster life farm, craft things on a regular basis to keep our level 12 professions from going back to level 10, doing daily Commerci runs to eventually be able to afford whatever equips, and killing 500 monsters a day for a stupid attendance event.

how many people actually play the original DotA? Don't confuse dota 2 with Defense of the Ancients.

Plenty but most are shifting to Dota 2 slowly.
But that seems like a completely irrelevant point. It's the same game in a new skin. It's the same players playing the same game with updated graphics, with new players joining, thus the continued growth.

But for the point of an old game keeping, and hell in this case still growing its playerbase it's a perfect example.
WC3 dota and dota2 still recieve the exact same patches and the goal is 1:1 parity.

I've played dota since 2005, i'm not confusing one thing with another at all.

And even if we were to only look at dota1 then it was still going incredibly strong until sometime last year during the official realease of dota2 where it finally began properly bleeding users in regions such as china and SEA. Those users went to dota2 which is the same game with a new skin though, so it's not like they quit the game because they got bored of it or because they disliked the direction it was headed in, which is what this thread is about. They just wanted to play the same game but with better graphics and easier accessibility in regards to a lot of things.

It's threads like this that make me search for the HIDE THREAD button.

It's threads like this that make me search for the HIDE THREAD button.

We have that?