[1.2.384] A Cannon Shooter is born

From their cannon requirements, I'm assuming STR-based class?
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Guess I won't be playing it past 70.

From their cannon requirements, I'm assuming STR-based class?
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Guess I won't be playing it past 70.

[SIZE="1"]Yea, STR major, DEX minor... and because they have "Pirate's Training" skill in 2nd job which gives +30 STR and DEX passive, that just makes going DEX-less a whole lot easier..[/SIZE]

After watching videos.. Fiel you summed it up perfectly. Bad bossing, slow attacking. Like i said in another thread, Below corsair above buccaneers.

After watching videos.. Fiel you summed it up perfectly. Bad bossing, slow attacking. Like i said in another thread, Below corsair above buccaneers.

Keep in mind it's still being tested, so it's subject to change.

Keep in mind it's still being tested, so it's subject to change.

I dunno man.. I don`t think they`re really going to change them very drastically..

Am I the only one who's thinking this class is the "Evan" for pirates?

Given that bosses are leaning towards multi-targets more heavily (i.e. Empress), I would say the Cannon Shooter has the advantage there. Cannon Buster with Booster, their best single target DPS (and amazing 3 mob DPS) is just as fast as Normal (6) Warriors with Booster.

They definitely have the advantage in training.

From that 120 Video, usually for CB's and Pally's their defence stat is in red with the addition defense from their passive skills marked, doesn't seem to be the case here.

I think that's because for Paladin's, it's TECHNICALLY a buff. For this class it seems to be permanent. For Paladins, if you remove your shield the buff is lost, but for CS there's no way to remove the buff once you've gotten it. That's why it's Red with the Total (Base + Buff) number for Paladins but not for Cannon Shooters.

Am I the only one who's thinking this class is the "Evan" for pirates?

Try Dual Bladers.

Try Dual Bladers.

This comparison is retarded.

How's that retarded? They're both Adventurers.

How's that retarded? They're both Adventurers.

Dual bladers excel at both previous thief classes weaknesses. Shadowers 1v1 and NLs mobbing. Dual blades are proficient at both in comparison because they are a premium class.

Cannoneers are better at mobbing than both buccs and sairs but fall short 1v1, and therefore cannot be compared to DBs in an attempt to brand them as "OP". To make the comparison valid they would have to be better than both.

This is of course ignoring other aspects that the other pirates are FAR better at compared to cannoneers, further proving my point.

... lol wtp.
I don't see how DBs are great 1v1 prior to Chaos. CoH is so dlckin slow and has so many issues with Dark Sight and the like (thank you, advanced dark sight, for fucking up CoH) it slows them down a great deal.
Yes, DBs get that fixed with Chaos, but what's to say there won't be a chaos patch for this class either?

Dual bladers excel at both previous thief classes weaknesses. Shadowers 1v1 and NLs mobbing. Dual blades are proficient at both in comparison because they are a premium class.

Cannoneers are better at mobbing than both buccs and sairs but fall short 1v1, and therefore cannot be compared to DBs in an attempt to brand them as "OP". To make the comparison valid they would have to be better than both.

You do realize when people say that they're like Dual Blades, they don't mean in comparison to the other classes of the same branch, right?

... lol wtp.
I don't see how DBs are great 1v1 prior to Chaos. CoH is so dlckin slow and has so many issues with Dark Sight and the like (thank you, advanced dark sight, for pineappleing up CoH) it slows them down a great deal.
Yes, DBs get that fixed with Chaos, but what's to say there won't be a chaos patch for this class either?

Cannoneers come out way after chaos.

@ above: Don't care. Comparison is retarded.

Read my elaboration to you being wrong please.

Cannoneers come out way after chaos.

@ above: Don't care. Comparison is retarded.

Way to bash another person's post without considering what they're even talking about.

Read my response to you being wrong please.

Okay.

The reason you are wrong is not because your point is not true. You are wrong because you're looking at it in the wrong way. You're seeing it as "oh my main attack has a huge vulnerability". I'm seeing it as "oh my main attack makes me invincible for 95% of it's duration". You being vulnerable isn't a weakness. The VAST majority of classes attacks while being vulnerable 100% of the time including this one. Attacking from afar doesn't solve the fact that they can still be hit because bosses clearly have the range to do so, and demo making us open for a very short amount of time doesn't mean our ability to stay completely out of harms way for upwards of 5 seconds if we need it (not to mention healing of both HP/MP ON COMMAND) doesn't matter.

Our ability to deal damage literally does not matter because we don't have to. The ranged classes do. We have advantages that make us unique and it is for that reason that i can contribute (i can even go so far as saying i'm invaluable) and be part of major boss runs while being the lowest leveled member. Sure, there are stronger buccs than me. There are stronger buccs that also don't miss on those bosses. But that clearly doesn't matter. That isn't what our class is about, and i don't think you realize (even after all my rants to you over the years on the subject) that because it's been pounded into your mind that "damage is everything".

That, or you're just reflecting the retarded japanese players perspectives, in which case it's not your fault for being shunned causing you to think your class is s'hit when it isn't.

After reading, I see that you completely missed my point entirely. You're taking it as I'm saying LOLVIPERSUCKBECAUSEWE'REVULNERABLEATTIMES. No... I'm saying if you get struck when you're vulnerable and the boss does more damage than you have HP, you're f'ucked, where as this new class won't be, as a ranged character because it has more HP and defense.

Let's say you have 10,000 HP.
The boss does 11,000 damage.
The Cannon Shooter has 12,000 HP.
You die.
Cannon Shooter lives.

The ranged character wins by tanking, where as the close-up, melee class is screwed.


Also, quit f[b]ucking calling everyone and everything retarded[/b]. I do believe there's a new step-up in the whole insult thing in the rules, so you're taking things a bit far and are going to get a stick in your ass if you don't watch out.

Way to bash another person's post without considering what they're even talking about.

Until it makes sense i won't change my mind. I haven't heard elaboration or justification on the subject. Simply people saying "THEY'RE DBS OMG".

Also, not caring isn't the same as bashing.

After reading, I see that you completely missed my point entirely. You're taking it as I'm saying LOLVIPERSUCKBECAUSEWE'REVULNERABLEATTIMES. No... I'm saying if you get struck when you're vulnerable and the boss does more damage than you have HP, you're f'ucked, where as this new class won't be, as a ranged character because it has more HP and defense.

Also, quit f[b]ucking calling everyone and everything retarded[/b]. I do believe there's a new step-up in the whole insult thing in the rules, so you're taking things a bit far and are going to get a stick in your ass if you don't watch out.

Ok. When does that ever happen? How many bosses seriously do that much damage without you being on top of them (which is stupid considering demos range)? Anything outside of empress won't do that and she herself probably won't because...we have invincibility. I ignored this point because it is also wrong. I responded only to your claim of us being vulnerable, because what happens after is so trivial it isn't worth discussing.

Lolwut. You disagree with my statement of the japanese despite your hundreds of rants about how judicial they are for reasons that make no sense whatsoever? Have a sudden change of heart or something or have you forgotten how shunned you've made yourself sound like because of the japanese players over the years? Don't b'itch at me for having my opinion shaped by your b'itching.

Oh no, a infraction slap on the wrist on the internet.

Until it makes sense i won't change my mind. I haven't heard elaboration or justification on the subject. Simply people saying "THEY'RE DBS OMG".

Also, not caring isn't the same as bashing.



Ok. When does that ever happen? How many bosses seriously do that much damage without you being on top of them (which is stupid considering demos range)? Anything outside of empress won't do that and she herself probably won't because...we have invincibility.

Lolwut. You disagree with my statement of the japanese despite your hundreds of rants about how judicial they are for reasons that make no sense whatsoever? Have a sudden change of heart or something or have you forgotten how shunned you've made yourself sound like because of the japanese players over the years?

Oh no, an infraction on the internet.

-If you don't care, don't post. Why the hell would you post a reply to something you don't care about? >_>

-When does it happen? All of the time. I don't know how godly you think you are, but as far as I've experience, which is from bossing almost every day, Demolition leaves me open to attacks around 40% of the time. I take hits all of the time when using Demolition. It's definitely not a 95% invulnerability rate like you seem to think it is.

-I'm not here to fight for the cause of the Japanese. Save that for another day.

Cannoneers come out way after chaos.

@ above: Don't care. Comparison is retarded.

Read my elaboration to you being wrong please.

Ok, so even if this were to be a Gaiden class, it's impossible to say it's the pirate's version of Dual Blades? With that logic, we shouldn't be able to say that Wild Hunters are the archer's version of Mechs, or to take it a step further, that Dawn Warriors aren't the Warrior's version of Wind Archers.

Way to bash another person's post without considering what they're even talking about.



Okay.




After reading, I see that you completely missed my point entirely. You're taking it as I'm saying LOLVIPERSUCKBECAUSEWE'REVULNERABLEATTIMES. No... I'm saying if you get struck when you're vulnerable and the boss does more damage than you have HP, you're f'ucked, where as this new class won't be, as a ranged character because it has more HP and defense.

Let's say you have 10,000 HP.
The boss does 11,000 damage.
The Cannon Shooter has 12,000 HP.
You die.
Cannon Shooter lives.

The ranged character wins by tanking, where as the close-up, melee class is screwed.


Also, quit f[b]ucking calling everyone and everything retarded[/b]. I do believe there's a new step-up in the whole insult thing in the rules, so you're taking things a bit far and are going to get a stick in your ass if you don't watch out.

While I do agree with everything you just said, I think it does "sort of" make sense for the cannoneers to have more health than a traditional ranged class. They'd have to be REALLY physically fit to lug that massive cannon around, so their stamina is probably on par with that of a Warrior; however, that's not to say I don't think Vipers need to get some more defense and hp (and damage, but that's an entirely different argument).

And thus I start to see people already complainig how this job is aimed for training/mobbing and not bossing. People wants balance, but when balance is giiven through mking the job excell in one area and not so much in another one, "it su'cks". If its given by making the job good in both areas "its overpowered", and if the damage is lowered to be on par with other jobs and keep being good in both areas, "they are like like all other jobs".

BTW, it makes sense that they are slow. Try to fight like a Ninja while carrying a bazooka on your shoulder (See why Soi Fong hates her Bankai).