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Unleashing Wrote:Meh i don't see it, never had problems against her unless someone mass fed her earlygame when solo queueing.
You just haven't encountered any good Eve's yet. Honestly a smart Eve will fk up your jungler, buy oracles for your invis / regular wards, stack mejai (easy stacks when it's such an easy task ganking with 50 second stealth..), basically starve your team of gold not just from you spending trying to counter her but the fact that you're too scared to leave the base of your turret.. Even at the base of your turret if she's 6 she wont hesitate to help gank you since as long as you die she gets out alive (ty ultimate).
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GreyorGray Wrote:You just haven't encountered any good Eve's yet. Honestly a smart Eve will fk up your jungler, buy oracles for your invis / regular wards, stack mejai (easy stacks when it's such an easy task ganking with 50 second stealth..), basically starve your team of gold not just from you spending trying to counter her but the fact that you're too scared to leave the base of your turret.. Even at the base of your turret if she's 6 she wont hesitate to help gank you since as long as you die she gets out alive (ty ultimate). As i said, i haven't had any problems with eve, why? Because i know how to counter an eve.
I'm a jungler always and i've never had a problem with eve.
Believe me i've met great eves, but she's weak and underpowered. Her earlygame is good, but her lategame sucks ass. She barely contributes to teamfights.
If the enemy team has an eve that's ganking, get some invis wards then o.o.
That's what i do for jungling, i pop an invis ward at the blue spawn and if she tries to gank me i have mid and top/bottom ready to help me out since they stand there till creeps spawn. Gotten firstblood like that a ton of times.
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Unleashing Wrote:If the enemy team has an eve that's ganking, get some invis wards then o.o.
That's what i do for jungling, i pop an invis ward at the blue spawn and if she tries to gank me i have mid and top/bottom ready to help me out since they stand there till creeps spawn. Gotten firstblood like that a ton of times.
Y'know... I try to imagine how this goes down, and such a scenario seems rather unlikely. Especially since mid is more likely to help.
Then again you play the EU servers. I don't know how bad the Eves are there (apparently).
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Unleashing Wrote:As i said, i haven't had any problems with eve, why? Because i know how to counter an eve.
I'm a jungler always and i've never had a problem with eve.
Believe me i've met great eves, but she's weak and underpowered. Her earlygame is good, but her lategame sucks ass. She barely contributes to teamfights.
If the enemy team has an eve that's ganking, get some invis wards then o.o.
That's what i do for jungling, i pop an invis ward at the blue spawn and if she tries to gank me i have mid and top/bottom ready to help me out since they stand there till creeps spawn. Gotten firstblood like that a ton of times.
You're playing bad Eve's.
1. When I said ganking while your jungling i'm not talking about specifically the level 1 gank on your blue buff. I'm speaking about anytime throughout the game that you are around cleaning your jungle. You do not drop an invis ward every buff you attempt to take and if you do, my point has just been proven she is forcing you to spend hundreds - thousands of gold just to counter her alone. Also if Eve is coming to gank you at blue alone then she's retarded the entire team should be part taking in counter jungle ganks at lvl 1.
2. Eve's late game is not weak. She assassinates carries / squishies in 1-3 hits (she is a nuke after all). Any damage she recieved is then replenished due to her ult. People say WW sucks in team fights too, is it true? hell the fk no he's an amazing team fighter if you know what you are doing.
3. Eve counters your counter with an oracles of her own, where's your counter then? It's feeding her back the gold she used on the oracles. Also you're forgetting her own team mates can buy invis wards as well and kill your wards.
There is a reason Riot is reworking stealth. They stated themselves she forces passive play and costs too much gold to counter compared to that of other champions.
EDIT : Wow hold up. Seriously you play on the EU servers and you talk like this about Eve? One of your top players in the EU mains her....... Smite/Revive combo started from "Soraka Bot" I believe his alias was.. Seriously you are very misinformed. I used to think Master Yi and Jax were by far the worst hero's in all of LoL because of how many users played him and fail at him. That is not the case, I've started to encounter more skilled players who actually know what they are doing and let me tell you both of them are amazing if used correctly.
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GreyorGray Wrote:You're playing bad Eve's.
1. When I said ganking while your jungling i'm not talking about specifically the level 1 gank on your blue buff. I'm speaking about anytime throughout the game that you are around cleaning your jungle. You do not drop an invis ward every buff you attempt to take and if you do, my point has just been proven she is forcing you to spend hundreds - thousands of gold just to counter her alone. Also if Eve is coming to gank you at blue alone then she's retarded the entire team should be part taking in counter jungle ganks at lvl 1.
2. Eve's late game is not weak. She assassinates carries / squishies in 1-3 hits (she is a nuke after all). Any damage she recieved is then replenished due to her ult. People say WW sucks in team fights too, is it true? hell the fk no he's an amazing team fighter if you know what you are doing.
3. Eve counters your counter with an oracles of her own, where's your counter then? It's feeding her back the gold she used on the oracles. Also you're forgetting her own team mates can buy invis wards as well and kill your wards.
There is a reason Riot is reworking stealth. They stated themselves she forces passive play and costs too much gold to counter compared to that of other champions.
EDIT : Wow hold up. Seriously you play on the EU servers and you talk like this about Eve? One of your top players in the EU mains her....... Smite/Revive combo started from "Soraka Bot" I believe his alias was.. Seriously you are very misinformed. I used to think Master Yi and Jax were by far the worst hero's in all of LoL because of how many users played him and fail at him. That is not the case, I've started to encounter more skilled players who actually know what they are doing and let me tell you both of them are amazing if used correctly.
There's a ton of eves in the EU but i've never had a problem with them.
Sorry but i'm from DotA, stealth comes from an item here and is seen as a "meh" thing for me.
I've never had problems with stealths. And sorry but if eve gets oracle, you just find her, gank her and that oracle is gone.
And i didnt call eve weak, i said she's no good in teamfights. Which she isn't she can gang but int he middle of a teamfight she's not doing much. Also mostly when i play we play an AOE team and i play as malphite rammus and amumu. Eve has never been a problem to me and never will be as it is, can be single matches where she gets uberfeed from a noob, but i can't help that and that doesnt prove that eve's skill.
Also i didnt just mean level 1 ganks, i always got red and or blue warded with an invis ward when playing vs evelyn in the first 15~20 mins. I'll also get oracle fast.
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Unleashing Wrote:There's a ton of eves in the EU but i've never had a problem with them.
Sorry but i'm from DotA, stealth comes from an item here and is seen as a "meh" thing for me.
I've never had problems with stealths. And sorry but if eve gets oracle, you just find her, gank her and that oracle is gone.
And i didnt call eve weak, i said she's no good in teamfights. Which she isn't she can gang but int he middle of a teamfight she's not doing much. Also mostly when i play we play an AOE team and i play as malphite rammus and amumu. Eve has never been a problem to me and never will be as it is, can be single matches where she gets uberfeed from a noob, but i can't help that and that doesnt prove that eve's skill.
Also i didnt just mean level 1 ganks, i always got red and or blue warded with an invis ward when playing vs evelyn in the first 15~20 mins. I'll also get oracle fast.
Laning phase. You expect the entire team to group up during laning phase and hunt eve? Not happening. She is also guarded by her team mates so GL with that, it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Also eve only needs mejai and mobility boots early game so she can afford to blow a few hundreds on oracles if you by some chance happen to get lucky enough to gank her. If assassinating a carry almost imediately isn't good idk what is. After she kills them she enters invis again and picks another target. Now team aoe is a different story but i wonder how you plan to get team aoe when a lot of them are banned from the get go? Unless we're talking about normal games then ok, premade normal wins with straight up aoe teams is nothing impressive. Tbh with team aoe you don't even need to be as skilled at a champion to get a win, trust me i've done it with a few friends for lulz on first time chars.
Also taking advantage of an opponents mistakes are proving the Eve's skills... The whole point of stealth right now is to take away the essence of a fair fight, and if she can take advantage of someones mistakes then she's doing her job correctly at the moment (until the rework). Well if you ward your buffs everytime you get them with an invis ward then this goes back to my original point. Her pressence alone hinders your build and promotes passive play. You're afraid to get ganked by her and her mates so you buy an invis ward. Now keep in mind if she does end up going by your buff while you kill it and you see her and she calls her mates and you call yours, chances are you're gunna run from the buff area cause if you stay you'll be taking buff damage as well as the small skirmish damage which will more than likely end up bad for you in one of two ways 1. your jungle gets slowed. 2. You / mate(s) dies.
Get oracle get focused like i said before. You cannot argue that Evelyn isn't worth the ban at this point. The ban makes sense 100%.
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People still build Eve AP?
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Phoenix Wright Wrote:People still build Eve AP?
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More so than ad. I actually prefer ap than ad because of the burst. ad is just dps really, both good but i rather burst on a squishy than continously hit them.
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GreyorGray Wrote:More so than ad. I actually prefer ap than ad because of the burst. ad is just dps really, both good but i rather burst on a squishy than continously hit them.
The problem I find with AP is that it seems to partially rely on Mejai's and after that initial Ravage it's damage output is kind of balls, even with Lichbane, and that it kinda drifts off into not-as-goodness late game.
Built as AD, she scales much better and she's pretty much like a Master Yi with stealth and a stun, and the armor reduction plus the ridiculous attack speed(1.1 base at level 18 and 100% on her ult, iirc) plus the Triforce procs = rapid, endless pain to any squishy you decide pick on. Throw in a Black Cleaver and you get to do true damage or more to any squishy carry (71 armor reduction + 15 in armor penetration runes = 86 armor negated). That's enough to easily bring most DPS/Casters below 0 armor, even moreso if you get extra armor penetration.
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Phoenix Wright Wrote:The problem I find with AP is that it seems to partially rely on Mejai's and after that initial Ravage it's damage output is kind of balls, even with Lichbane, and that it kinda drifts off into not-as-goodness late game.
Built as AD, she scales much better and she's pretty much like a Master Yi with stealth and a stun, and the armor reduction plus the ridiculous attack speed(1.1 base at level 18 and 100% on her ult, iirc) plus the Triforce procs = rapid, endless pain to any squishy you decide pick on. Throw in a Black Cleaver and you get to do true damage or more to any squishy carry (71 armor reduction + 15 in armor penetration runes = 86 armor negated). That's enough to easily bring most DPS/Casters below 0 armor, even moreso if you get extra armor penetration.
I agree AD is better overall and more viable.
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Eve was OP as balls before the most recent patch.
You either bought invis wards every time you backed and gimped yourself compared to the enemy laner and played incredibly passively, not being able to get any kills against competent players or played like you normally do and die 10 times.
Altering an entire team's gameplay so much just by existing is retardedly overpowered.
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Played a practice game with Corki. Madgusta. Any one have thoughts on AP vs AD on him? Leaning AD, but both seem viable and I'll probably get down builds for both.
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madanthony Wrote:Played a practice game with Corki. Madgusta. Any one have thoughts on AP vs AD on him? Leaning AD, but both seem viable and I'll probably get down builds for both.
Rush sheen, then finish trinity force. After you get trinity force get black cleaver. Corki is a poking god, love those missiles D:<
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My friend suggests AD. I think that's as far as I can go with his Corki advice, he was using Atma's + Frozen Mallet, Sunfire, and some other strange stuff.
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Gross. none of those make sense except for mallet and even then it's really not that great.. Hardly any character buys mallet and if any character does it's usually a beefy dps character. Xin, Renekton etc.. Trust me I play corki sometimes and the build I use does tons of damage and increases his speed which is pretty slow.
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Do share, my friend's experimenting with Corki and I kind of owe him for letting me drop his ELO while he taught me Shen.
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