Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread

I kind of don't like WoTa. My main mid champions are Lux, Katarina and Morgana. I prefer a hextech gunblade on Katarina pretty late game and extra spell vamp over that would be excessive. Morgana already has built in spell vamp and needs to rush tankyness to make actual use of her ultimate in a teamfight situation. Well she doesn't, but she does if she is the one to iniate which I usually am as her. RoA, boots, deathcap and hourglass are more important on her to me and it usually doesn't get to the point where I've to think of a 5th/6th item. Lux has no benefit from spell vamp because the teamfight is usually over before she gets her second skill round and she has the range to not die before shooting her entire burst. Any form of defense on her is usually a bad decision in my opinion. She needs the mana reg/cdr/ap/m penetration way too much to be useful and she can definatly pull it off without dying with her amazing range.

There's really no reason to get hextech gunblade on kat. It's like 2.4k for it: 70 ap and 20% spell vamp. Of course, the active is useful, but I feel that Wota for 900gold: 80ap 25% spell vamp(total including aura) + 30ap/25%spell vamp aura for rest of your team mates is so much better. Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage/lifesteal at all. For 1.5k, I'm almost at a large rod or catalyst or anything else. I just use ward+ shunpo to get away from a gank.

On a side note, I'm still debating if I want Lux or not since she's on sale...She's only 3.1k ip though...

There's really no reason to get hextech gunblade on kat. It's like 2.4k for it: 70 ap and 20% spell vamp. Of course, the active is useful, but I feel that Wota for 900gold: 80ap 25% spell vamp(total including aura) + 30ap/25%spell vamp aura for rest of your team mates is so much better. Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage/lifesteal at all. For 1.5k, I'm almost at a large rod or catalyst or anything else. I just use ward+ shunpo to get away from a gank.

On a side note, I'm still debating if I want Lux or not since she's on sale...She's only 3.1k ip though...

Read her skills, then return. Kay.

Lol, i actually like a AD Kat more than a AP myself the AD ratios are better for her Q and R but shunpo only scales with AP.

Hybrid build is usually how i go with some focus on AD.

Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage at all.

WAT.

I've used Gunblade a few times on Kog'Maw to decent effect too, given his hybrid damage. I do have a question though - does spell vamp kick in from his W buff, or does it add to normal vamp, or is it completely ignored for vamp purposes?

Been learning Lux myself -

Quote a post about Sivir, talk about Lux, does not compute.

On that note, is there any caster that DOESN'T get huge gains from Will of Ancients? Annie gets a lot from it because of the amount of damage she does, Karthus because he can hit everything and spam his q, I tried Vlad and he's like always max life with that thing...just seems like a generally overpowered item, especially since it's an aura lol.

WotA is pretty strong, especially on constant DPSers like Cassiopeia. It's utterly gross on her.

From personal experience I can say that it doesn't work well on Anivia. She ooms very fast if you spam, plus she's mainly AoE damage. It also does not work on Fizz because the damage from his Q itself is somewhat negligible, and his other two skills that benefit are AoEs that can't really be spammed.

I've used Gunblade a few times on Kog'Maw to decent effect too, given his hybrid damage. I do have a question though - does spell vamp kick in from his W buff, or does it add to normal vamp, or is it completely ignored for vamp purposes?

Auto-attack magic damage does not benefit from spellvamp or lifesteal. You shouldn't be getting Gunblade on Koggles since AP generally isn't good on him, and benefits from spellvamp are very poor.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]I FOUND A USE FOR REVIVE!!!!!!!!111!!!1!

Kindof. If you die with Mordekaiser's ultimate on you, reviving kills the ghost. Of course, I'm sure Mordekaiser would be delighted to cause an entire team to carry a worthless summoner spell...so yeah.

The other use I can think of would be a gimmick defensive strategy to fend off a 5-man base assault if your team wipes. Probably be easier to avoid getting into that situation in the first place with better skills overall though.[/COLOR]

Karthus revive real stonk

Kindof. If you die with Mordekaiser's ultimate on you, reviving kills the ghost. Of course, I'm sure Mordekaiser would be delighted to cause an entire team to carry a worthless summoner spell...so yeah.

QSS. Also, didn't know that xD

The other use I can think of would be a gimmick defensive strategy to fend off a 5-man base assault if your team wipes. Probably be easier to avoid getting into that situation in the first place with better skills overall though.

I find that if the other team has an appreciable amount of tankiness (aka not stupid), there's virtually no way to defend 1v5.

QSS. Also, didn't know that xD



I find that if the other team has an appreciable amount of tankiness (aka not stupid), there's virtually no way to defend 1v5.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]I meant a gimmick strategy on your entire team. Or have 4 people die out in the map, with 1 person sneaking into their base to place a ward. The rest then revive and teleport to the ward and proceed to smash their base to pieces while they're trying to push (thinking that you're all dead).

Also, I am now amused by the idea of playing suicide-Karthus. Flashing into an enemy team with Defile up to initiate looks like a lot of fun.[/COLOR]

I haven't played Talon in forever, so I recently tried to pick him back up. I forgot how fun he was.

Read her skills, then return. Kay.

Lol, i actually like a AD Kat more than a AP myself the AD ratios are better for her Q and R but shunpo only scales with AP.

Hybrid build is usually how i go with some focus on AD.

WAT.

Sorry, I meant lifesteal, not attack damage.

Her ult scales off attack damage, but for 1.6k more, you're getting 70ap and 40 ad. 40ad is like 200 damage, the 70ap is 175, so additional 375. The Wota for 900 and let's add a large rod with 80ap. That gives 160ap which gives 400 damage and an additional 5% spell vamp. The aura also gives your team 30 ap and 25% spell vamp.

Personally I see no reason to get the gunblade or go ad on kat. Her shunpo is too good for her to be ad. It's one of the best tower dive, chase, get away skills, especially combined with her passive. So for 2.4k you can either get the 70 ap, 40 ad, 20% spell vamp and active slow, or get 50 ap and 30ap and 25% spell vamp aura for your team and 80ap(which makes up most of the deathcap). As for the gunblade active, with rylias you should have enough slow on people.

I play kat ap. Boots + pots or book + pots -> revolver -> sorc boots -> RCS -> wota/deathcap -> the other

There's really no reason to get hextech gunblade on kat. It's like 2.4k for it: 70 ap and 20% spell vamp. Of course, the active is useful, but I feel that Wota for 900gold: 80ap 25% spell vamp(total including aura) + 30ap/25%spell vamp aura for rest of your team mates is so much better. Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage/lifesteal at all. For 1.5k, I'm almost at a large rod or catalyst or anything else. I just use ward+ shunpo to get away from a gank.

On a side note, I'm still debating if I want Lux or not since she's on sale...She's only 3.1k ip though...

As others before me have said, her skills scale off AD as well, so making a hybrid item isn't that terrible of a decision as you make it out to be. The shunpo+rylai's+active also makes you really hard to get away from and that includes your ultimate. Combine that with the fact that it's extremely common nowadays to have an ad carry, ad top and ad jungler on your team. You might have a support that does magic damage but it's barely damage... So the aura goes to waste for the most part on WoTa. Catalyst? Mana items on Kat? I can understand the spell shield for your ultimate but that is really likely to fail anyway as it pops on any spell and not any interrupt. Note: I'm not stupid when I run with Amumu, Vladimir, Katarina, Kog'Maw and Sona or something I do get a WoTa. It's also not that terrible to have your auto attacks actually hurt somewhat seeing as you should buid somewhat tankier on kat then on other casters.

Sorry, I meant lifesteal, not attack damage.

Her ult scales off attack damage, but for 1.6k more, you're getting 70ap and 40 ad. 40ad is like 200 damage, the 70ap is 175, so additional 375. The Wota for 900 and let's add a large rod with 80ap. That gives 160ap which gives 400 damage and an additional 5% spell vamp. The aura also gives your team 30 ap and 25% spell vamp.

Personally I see no reason to get the gunblade or go ad on kat. Her shunpo is too good for her to be ad. It's one of the best tower dive, chase, get away skills, especially combined with her passive. So for 2.4k you can either get the 70 ap, 40 ad, 20% spell vamp and active slow, or get 50 ap and 30ap and 25% spell vamp aura for your team and 80ap(which makes up most of the deathcap). As for the gunblade active, with rylias you should have enough slow on people.

I play kat ap. Boots + pots or book + pots -> revolver -> sorc boots -> RCS -> wota/deathcap -> the other

Gee, you have pretty much the most squishiest Kat I have ever seen, unless your Masteries/runes make up for that.

Sorry, I meant lifesteal, not attack damage.

Her ult scales off attack damage, but for 1.6k more, you're getting 70ap and 40 ad. 40ad is like 200 damage, the 70ap is 175, so additional 375. The Wota for 900 and let's add a large rod with 80ap. That gives 160ap which gives 400 damage and an additional 5% spell vamp. The aura also gives your team 30 ap and 25% spell vamp.

Personally I see no reason to get the gunblade or go ad on kat. Her shunpo is too good for her to be ad. It's one of the best tower dive, chase, get away skills, especially combined with her passive. So for 2.4k you can either get the 70 ap, 40 ad, 20% spell vamp and active slow, or get 50 ap and 30ap and 25% spell vamp aura for your team and 80ap(which makes up most of the deathcap). As for the gunblade active, with rylias you should have enough slow on people.

I play kat ap. Boots + pots or book + pots -> revolver -> sorc boots -> RCS -> wota/deathcap -> the other

That kind of kat doesnt work, one single interrupt skill means you are basically dead and since your ult and shunpo skill requires for you to be up close you are going to get melted in a matter of seconds, and like someone said before, the meta right now really pushes a lot of AD champions in the game and the only other sure AP its the support that should barely do any kind of damage.

Gunblade also gives 300 bonus damage every minute with a strong slow.

/discussion.

I'd personally get wota if I had an ap or something of the sort at top (rumble, swain, etc). Otherwise gunblade.

Gunblade was so pro on lee sin before it got nerfed.... not even worth it anymore.

double post op

Pretty sure her ult counts as a single target skill and benefits from 100% spell vamp

Her ult counts as a multi target, as it applies only the most lousier slow from Rylai's.

Man, I forgot how to land Cho'Gath's Qs again.

Yordle bomber sounds like fun. Skill shots galore. too bad he's gonna be too expensive for me to buy at release D: