[KMS] [1.2.132] New Opening Video
New template is amazing, thank you. Much easier to see the changes now. Seems like they increased the HP while doubled the EXP of just about everything in Monster Park? And EXP increases for Future Ereve mobs...

Teppi Wrote:it is very unlikely that it is. in the video, each character has a unique thing that related to them like weapon, town, etc. the elf seems really normal without any weapon and the "town" is nothing special. so i would get the elf character represents the population of female players

They could have probably achieved the same result by having one of the Adventurer females being represented instead. Why make entirely new artwork for a promotional video if it's not going to be used in-game? Especially artwork that has nothing resembling anything in-game at the moment.
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It just is adorable, like everyone else has said.

That said, only creepers would masturbate to that. I don't find it a problem for everyone else.
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Fiel Wrote:Testing out new "Mob (Changed)" template. Lemme know if there's a better way it can be formatted.
Fiel Wrote:베르가모트
Level: 125
HP: [11,500,000 --> 23,000,000]
EXP: [162,084 --> 324,168]
Physical Attack: 3283
Magical Attack: 3232
Knockback: 1800
WDEF: 30%
MDEF: 30%
Avoid: 115
Accuracy: 423
Elements: [Fire strong, Lightning weak, Ice weak, Poison immune --> REMOVED]
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If I'm reading this correctly, what the --> means is change, and what you wrote there is that it removed only poison immunity?
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Hmmm, no, not what I intended. That means that all elements were removed. Let me change that...
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Looks good. Also wonder if you could include whether the mobs are Heal-able or not (e.g. for clarity/new mobs).

Hadriel
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hadriel Wrote:Looks good. Also wonder if you could include whether the mobs are Heal-able or not (e.g. for clarity/new mobs).

Done.
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It may not even be as much as a mental hangup: Different cultures just percieve things differently.

It's just how some people were raised. Heck, I know people who think curly hairstyles on women is bad cause it makes them look 'easy', same with women who wear shorts. Doesn't mean they're right. Nor wrong either.

Some cultures just think they're more right than others.

Seems they had to up the HP on the mobs. High potential players were gettin too OP for them i guess, I also respect their consideration in removing elemental resistances from certain mobs.
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Looking good. Thanks Fiel.

Hadriel
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Come to think of it...I really should get a picture of each of the girls in that video.

I wanna use them as avatars.
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Flonne Wrote:Personally, I don't think you take it far enough, but again, bigots will be bigots. Can't do much about it, especially when they are the majority.

I can't believe you're seriously suggesting that any form of PEDOPHILIA should be something society is something society SHOULD be tolerant of.
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Sarah Wrote:I can't believe you're seriously suggesting that any form of PEDOPHILIA should be something society is something society SHOULD be tolerant of.

More like understanding of. And able to cognitively separate "child molester" from "pedophile". Those terms are not synonyms, in fact, they are nearly as opposite as is possible.
Until you realize this, you probably won't even try to understand any arguments that do not coincide with your own opinions. While that is a normal way to go through life, it can't be all that fulfilling, being constantly filled with stress (even if you can't admit it, it is there) every time someone has an idea that is even remotely in contrast with your own world view. Learn to let things go, then you will start being able to understand things in this world a bit more easily.
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Flonne Wrote:More like understanding of. And able to cognitively separate "child molester" from "pedophile". Those terms are not synonyms, in fact, they are nearly as opposite as is possible.

But her problem is with people who find sexual gratification in children whether they perform child molestation or not. Your point, while true, is irrelevant to her opinion.
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Someone should make a parody of this video only with the members of the Black Wings dancing instead.

Bad guys gotta party too, when they're not taking over the world and murdering innocent civilians. Shake dat villainous booty(?)!
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Fiel Wrote:But her problem is with people who find sexual gratification in children whether they perform child molestation or not. Your point, while true, is irrelevant to her opinion.

But she must at some point be linking "gratification" to real children somehow, right? Otherwise, her argument would be absurd, that would be like saying, "hey, here's a 2D image of children that may or may not be sexually portrayed, lets automatically assume the worst, but instead of simply leaving it at that, let's also assume that just by seeing this image will NOT feel compelled to molest children and will instead be perfectly content JUST WITH THIS IMAGE".

Is that really how people think? They don't even care if nobody is being hurt, they just are that uncomfortable with themselves that they cannot allow anyone to think even remotely differently from them even if absolutely no harm ever comes from it? I can't accept that as being true; no matter how far society has fallen, it can't be THAT bad yet...good lord I hope it's not that bad yet ;_;
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Flonne Wrote:But she must at some point be linking "gratification" to real children somehow, right? Otherwise, her argument would be absurd, that would be like saying, "hey, here's a 2D image of children that may or may not be sexually portrayed, lets automatically assume the worst, but instead of simply leaving it at that, let's also assume that just by seeing this image will NOT feel compelled to molest children and will instead be perfectly content JUST WITH THIS IMAGE".

Is that really how people think? They don't even care if nobody is being hurt, they just are that uncomfortable with themselves that they cannot allow anyone to think even remotely differently from them even if absolutely no harm ever comes from it? I can't accept that as being true; no matter how far society has fallen, it can't be THAT bad yet...good lord I hope it's not that bad yet ;_;

Did I read this right. Jerkin it to drawn child pornography makes you some kind of martyr pariah for some greater good? You're worse than those damned furries. There is no huge, life altering state of mind gained from jerking off to little girls. You have a fetish. Get over yourself, you entitled sperg.
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Atuan Wrote:Did I read this right.

NOPE
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Flonne Wrote:Is that really how people think? They don't even care if nobody is being hurt, they just are that uncomfortable with themselves that they cannot allow anyone to think even remotely differently from them even if absolutely no harm ever comes from it? I can't accept that as being true; no matter how far society has fallen, it can't be THAT bad yet...good lord I hope it's not that bad yet ;_;

Your conclusion ("even if absolutely no harm ever comes from it?") is an assumed conclusion. No one can know if children are harmed by this particular instance of booty swaying in the video, so I find it strange that you claim it doesn't. The issue is not harm here.

The heart of this issue are the following two questions: "Does this video portray the sexualization of children?" and "is there a link between the sexualization of children in media and pedophilia?". Try answering these questions and I think you'll get closer to fighting Sarah's argument rationally rather than assuming her self-righteousness.
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Flonne Wrote:But she must at some point be linking "gratification" to real children somehow, right? Otherwise, her argument would be absurd, that would be like saying, "hey, here's a 2D image of children that may or may not be sexually portrayed, lets automatically assume the worst, but instead of simply leaving it at that, let's also assume that just by seeing this image will NOT feel compelled to molest children and will instead be perfectly content JUST WITH THIS IMAGE".

Is that really how people think? They don't even care if nobody is being hurt, they just are that uncomfortable with themselves that they cannot allow anyone to think even remotely differently from them even if absolutely no harm ever comes from it? I can't accept that as being true; no matter how far society has fallen, it can't be THAT bad yet...good lord I hope it's not that bad yet ;_;

Are you seriously portraying pedophilia as a harmless fetish? You can't believe that society would be uncomfortable with it? Where the hell are you from? I live in a society that persecutes consensual sexual relationships between adults of the same sex, and people who even think about having consensual sexual relationships with people of the same sex. Pedophilia is several orders of unacceptability beyond that.

Children (especially prepubescent ones) are not sexual objects. They are extremely emotionally vulnerable people and the only people who are sexually attracted to them are disgusting people who enjoy the idea of exploiting the vulnerabilities of others. But "oh it's okay cause it's harmless if they're not actually going out and molesting children," you say. "They can't help being who they are." Well, would you be comfortable if your neighbor fantasized about murdering people all the time and collected weapons and posted disturbing stories online? Most people wouldn't. There's a big gray area between what's an acceptable fantasy and what people need to get locked up for but pedophilia isn't anywhere near it.

Of course this is way beyond why I dislike the video and that is mostly because it doesn't at all fit with Maple and I hate the song, but some of the pomegranate I'm reading in this thread just makes me furious.
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Fiel Wrote:Your conclusion ("even if absolutely no harm ever comes from it?") is an assumed conclusion. No one can know if children are harmed by this particular instance of booty swaying in the video, so I find it strange that you claim it doesn't. The issue is not harm here.

The heart of this issue are the following two questions: "Does this video portray the sexualization of children?" and "is there a link between the sexualization of children in media and pedophilia?". Try answering these questions and I think you'll get closer to fighting Sarah's argument rationally rather than assuming her self-righteousness.

I'm trying to look at it from an outside point of view, because it truly is two entirely different things, to me. 2D =/= 3D, no matter the material.

My one and only question is, why do people even care? At this point, I don't even see anything sexual about real children at all, I'm more emotionally attracted to them because of their refreshingly "nice" attitudes as opposed to the toxic attitudes many adults have. If someone molests a child, they were almost certainly going to do it anyway, and they are simply being called pedophiles because it is a shorter term even if it has no relevance to them. That begs the question of, is it simply ignorance of the facts, or do people, having all facts on the issue, still make a big deal about nothing? Seriously, I'm just trying to figure out why it even matters to people, seems like yet another needless stressor in life. Not everyone is like me in my situation, I'm sure, but there is still no reason to project one or two extreme cases that very likely shouldn't even be taken as examples onto others, right?


Dusk Wrote:I live in a society that persecutes consensual sexual relationships between adults of the same sex, and people who even think about having consensual sexual relationships with people of the same sex.

Not exactly the best way to start an argument, but nevertheless.

Dusk Wrote:Children (especially prepubescent ones) are not sexual objects. They are extremely emotionally vulnerable

Quite correct. The only problem I am seeing is that you are extrapolating matters from "oh hey thats a cute kid" to "I must violate them" automatically, which is generally a bad way to view anything. In reality, a pedophile is someone attracted to the innocence of a child, and any sexual activity whatsoever with a child would be counterproductive to their "cuteness", so to be honest, that is really why I feel that people who think pedophiles have sex with children are simply ignorant of the reality of the situation.
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Alilatias Wrote:They could have probably achieved the same result by having one of the Adventurer females being represented instead. Why make entirely new artwork for a promotional video if it's not going to be used in-game? Especially artwork that has nothing resembling anything in-game at the moment.
I dont know if i remember this correctly but all of the adventurer artwork in-games are really job-based and none represent the whole community (being cash-shop influenced). the artwork has many cash shop features in it so i think it works in some sense
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