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about the whole O-Pongo - Cross thing, i think Isaac may be right. since O-Pongo is supposed to be so nice and stuff and hes from Versal, maybe his counterpart in the MS world is Cross....you never know! =P
and that chair is sex. -wants it for my collection.- 9 chairs and counting!
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Kirov Wrote:In that extraction it says the blue orbis sprite is the PQ NPC
![[Image: stand.0.png]](http://amandamlees.com/patch/Npc/9105004.img/stand.0.png)
Christmas party quest NPC
Guess i was right about that part. 
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MasPan Wrote:Also, Felix, your attitude is really starting to get on my nerves. People make mistakes, people miss things, and may not always agree 100% with you. Please try to be more respectful to others in the future.
lol You honestly think I care? You need to take a step back if someone on the net is bothering you that much. And why the heck would I want people to agree with me all the time? I get a lot of joy out of arguing. I'm respectful when I want to be, and I'm helpful when I want to be. I have no obligation to be all peaches and cream to everyone here.
Oh, and I didn't bother to check, but does anyone know if that Versalmas VS Maplemas thing is coming back? A friend of mine wants one of those stupid hats. I assume they'll have the same system set up like last year, yeah?
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FelixTM Wrote:Oh, and I didn't bother to check, but does anyone know if that Versalmas VS Maplemas thing is coming back? A friend of mine wants one of those stupid hats. I assume they'll have the same system set up like last year, yeah?
Quote:but we've got an all-new Holiday PQ (level-tiered), as well as Maplemas and Versalmas returning
That would indicate towards the same set up as last year but who knows.
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y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:about the whole O-Pongo - Cross thing, i think Isaac may be right. since O-Pongo is supposed to be so nice and stuff and hes from Versal, maybe his counterpart in the MS world is Cross....you never know! =P
and that chair is sex. -wants it for my collection.- 9 chairs and counting! We've been chit chatting about this in IRC a bit, and my current prediction based on the way it's described in EMS and knowing how Nexon tweaks things to fit their purposes, is as follows:
Happyville is under attack by this mysterious person. Someone catches sight of a Green creature in purple clothing, and Maple Claws assumes it is O-Pongo, attempting to get revenge on them for Maplemas beating out Versalmas last year. Maple Claws asks you to go spy on O-Pongo and see what he's up to.
One skip to NLC later, and you find O-Pongo shocked and appalled at this accusation. O-Pongo has an idea who might be behind it, and asks you to clear his name. Return to Happyville to find the fairy, and get headed into the PQ. At the end, you run into the true Culprit, Cross, who was framing O-Pongo in his attempt to ruin both holidays. After defeating him, you inform Maple claws, who feels guilty and sends you back to O-Pongo with a gift of good will. O-Pongo, being a benevolent guy, naturally accepts, and the two are teamed up to spread seasonal cheer to everyone.
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(tl;dr, Cross frames O-Pongo for destroying maplemas, clear his name by defeating cross)
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Seems very Nexon-ian, wouldn't you agree? I also jokingly proposed that O-Pongo got lost in the forest for the last 9 months and came back crazy from starvation :p
We looked at the differences and similarities between Cross and O-Pongo...
![[Image: MS_Monster_Cross.png]](http://media.strategywiki.org/images/a/af/MS_Monster_Cross.png) ![[Image: spin10.png]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/spin10.png)
As you can see, Cross has much smaller ears, a naturally crazy expression, a bigger staff, and a differently shaped face. He seems to be a dog. This fits with the already present nature of their relationships (O-Pongo being a mouse, Maple Claws being a cat) so if Cross is a dog then that puts him in a dominant spot. He's also lacking the sun badge O-Pongo has, though we can't really say if that's significant.
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grubber was a dog too though wasn't he?(the guy you could give presents to for cash)
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Holypie Wrote:grubber was a dog too though wasn't he?(the guy you could give presents to for cash) yeah he was too. Couldn't figure him into it though.
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Rawr @ recolors of NPCs and @ TMS getting the PQ before us.. <_<
Sigh.. until now, not a PQ was released in our version before all other versions.
Maybe Crimsonwood Keep II high-leveled PQ (if there will be one, which is most likely) will be the first one being released on our version before all others.
Also, NEXON, you better NOT take off that laggy last year's Christmas event of the big snowman that you had to kill with normal attacks with mittens.. you better not do it. I really liked it and I expected it to come again this year.
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Combattente Wrote:Rawr @ recolors of NPCs and @ TMS getting the PQ before us.. <_<
Sigh.. until now, not a PQ was released in our version before all other versions.
Maybe Crimsonwood Keep II high-leveled PQ (if there will be one, which is most likely) will be the first one being released on our version before all others.
Also, NEXON, you better NOT take off that laggy last year's Christmas event of the big snowman that you had to kill with normal attacks with mittens.. you better not do it. I really liked it and I expected it to come again this year. So many things with this...
1. TMS patch is on the 17th, EMS is delayed until the 16th, so all our patches will be at the same time.
2. Amoria PQ was released in GMS first...
3. Snowman is involved in this PQ somehow.
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2008-12-12, 07:34 PM
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MasPan Wrote:It would, however, prevent hurricane/TT from being spammed (which was the only reason I suggested it). Even if others are limited to mob attacks as well, they will at least be on an even playing field with DPM classes.
like it or not, i actually agree w/ felix about geist balrog. his teleport is just stupid (should actually teleport him), he unaggro's himself with said teleport, as well as his cancel w./m.atk (thereby defeating the lure tactic), and is overall just a waste of time. the thorns on the map are just an irritation (knocked off while chasing it) and a cheap way out of avoiding damage (stand on it and take the 1's...)
forgot about captains and homing. however... if there's a mob of 20+ around it the whole time, how's the homing egg gonna hit the boss?
and if people are gonna have to rely on mob attacks to focus on a single target, it's just a recipe for a big, unkilled monster. how long would it take to kill with AR/E, which only does 160% per 0.83s (inferno, bomb, and IA less than that, even...)? or slash blast, with a paltry 130% + combo/charge (god forbid counting in FA...)? how long with ice strike or lightning? Fury and ACB is like the SOLE SKILL that is beneficial there cause of it's insane power. band of theives is just a disaster waiting to happen, likewise with avenger. the only class that would do well in such a scenario is warriors, and warriors already have their own bosses. heck, warriors kill BF/pianus faster and earlier than the DPM classes can.
oh, and i'm pretty sure heros are top tier for DPM. corsairs are now the very top (on single targets), though.
a better idea overall is just to give the boss itself 5/6 parts, all of which can be hit by mob attacks. better yet, make it fire weak.
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Or how about we all enter the festive spirit and party each other, have some fun and kill it. Instead of trying to KS the crap out of each other. Oh wait thatÂ’s not likely to happen.. I am sure the extraction said the drops are free for all. So some noob is just going to come along and take it all anyway.
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Icedfire Wrote:heck, warriors kill BF/pianus faster and earlier than the DPM classes can.
Isn't that a little obvious? Pianus rapes ranged classes without HB.
@kirov: What extraction? O_o
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i meant that it takes me like 20mins still to kill the left one, and a 110 wk can probably match that speed. i've got 30 levels and 4th job on it, too...
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Icedfire Wrote:i meant that it takes me like 20mins still to kill the left one, and a 110 wk can probably match that speed. i've got 30 levels and 4th job on it, too...
Ohh, left pianus... o.o
WK dpm on weak to X element monsters is very very high iirc though. :O Shouldn't be enough to beat a 14x BM though, or maybe you just suck. x3
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2008-12-12, 08:22 PM
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IsaacGS Wrote:So many things with this...
1. TMS patch is on the 17th, EMS is delayed until the 16th, so all our patches will be at the same time.
2. Amoria PQ was released in GMS first...
3. Snowman is involved in this PQ somehow.
Right, I totally forgot about Amoria PQ. About the patch thing, sorry, I didn't know.
About the Snowman, I know, but don't care about it being involved in the PQ. I'd rather want it to be involved in that quest where you had to fill the Snow Blower with Nevermelting Snow. It was fun because when you filled it, it spawned, and it started to snow and snowball throwing stars dropped on the ground. You had to use them to kill it. Yeah, it was laggy and a bit long sometimes, but it was fun. Well, I guess we won't be getting that this year. But let's see it from a good point of view: there will be many other events to enjoy with.
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Icedfire Wrote:i meant that it takes me like 20mins still to kill the left one, and a 110 wk can probably match that speed. i've got 30 levels and 4th job on it, too...
I downed it in 70 minutes last time I tried (lv.113) I was only using Warrior Elixirs.
You're way overestimating WK damage. They're about as strong as Crusaders, except only on elemental bosses.
Oh and I can't kill BF yet at 123 because he 1hkos me within minutes of starting the fight. It's not really possible for me to keep him back with all his messed up hit box issues.
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Takebacker Wrote:Isn't that a little obvious? Pianus rapes ranged classes without HB.
@kirov: What extraction? O_o
EMS Extraction.
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2008-12-13, 12:30 AM
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Takebacker Wrote:Ohh, left pianus... o.o
WK dpm on weak to X element monsters is very very high iirc though. :O Shouldn't be enough to beat a 14x BM though, or maybe you just suck. x3
more like wk's hit 1's on booms, and i have to completely stop attacking until i can safely get rid of them cause any attack i use sets them off lol.
although, to be honest, i haven't been there for like 7 levels already. maybe i'm down to 15 mins o.0
edit - stereo, you just do what hero's do o.0 rush-->attack-->rush-->attack.
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Icedfire Wrote:edit - stereo, you just do what hero's do o.0 rush-->attack-->rush-->attack.
That tactic is kinda suicidal, Rush has this tendency to move the character right up to the face of the monster, it always runs back towards me and if I'm standing close enough to hit him, I get hit in return by touch damage (It works ok for training because I'm generally using Rush on mobs I haven't attacked yet, or that are stunned). I tried rush at first but it always ended in death.
Brandish has about... 1.5 the range of ACB? I'm not certain. It's noticeably better.
I haven't done Pianus in a while, but I always killed off the Blood Booms with Powerguard to stop them from attacking when I got dispelled (dispel = no charge = powerstrike does 5-10k on bombs). Shouldn't your Strafe be able to manage 10k consistently by 14x though? :/ Even if only 1 arrow hit a crit it would be enough.
@ 11x my DPM would have been around 900-950k on Pianus if I could attack consistently (he uses def up a pomegranateton so probably less than half that in reality). Not sure what it is now.
edit: looks to be about 1.5mil per minute. Pretty decent boost I guess.
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