["Resolved"] Game Login and Stability Issues

Logged in, a friend traded me some items, then crashed again.

Typical, isn't it? :\

Logged in, a friend traded me some items, then crashed again.

Now to wait and see whether the items get duped or lost.

Personally I wouldn't do any trading, shopping, selling, or touching storage while the servers are so unstable. It's asking for trouble.

Trading saves inventory, so the items can't be duped or lost that way.

Thing is, if this were simply a result of solar activity or some other general noise on the internet, you wouldn't see neat crashes of all channels in all servers except for one or two channels for each server.
Recall that each physical computer runs multiple channels (between 2 and 7, depending on how new it is and how busy the server is), so the likelihood of all instances but one crashing is pretty low. It could happen if Nexon did something that causes "deadlocks", which force the OS/DB to terminate all but one of the deadlocked processes, but somehow I doubt they did that randomly this morning and couldn't figure out how to undo it for hours and hours.
Therefore, this is obviously the result of malicious activity. Now, it could be a bunch of the usual channel-crashers, suddenly perfectly coordinated across all servers, and for some obscure reason crashing all but one instead of the usual one channel that is sufficient for duping. Or it could be someone else with a different "agenda" which is pretty much plain vandalism and griefing.

I don't claim to know. I'm just speculating while I wait for the situation to be resolved.

Then you could SAY that you're speculating instead of peddling idiocy and conjecture as fact.

See, thing is, this corresponds pretty damn well with solar interference.
Server is sending and receiving, then solar interference, then servers unable to send or receive, then interference stops, and sending and receiving starts again.
I say it's more likely that ALL the channels are crashing in ALL worlds, and those channels simply hadn't crashed by that point. Maybe they were a little more resilient or maybe a bit more laggy and so they didn't crash by the time the MapleStatus had updated. Then when it updated again, everything was back online and the channel had appeared not to crash, when it had in reality.
I hope you know how extremely stupid it sounds to say that the channel crashers are perfectly coordinated.
Because really, it's more likely that Nexon workers are simply bowling and using the server computers as the pins. That last huge crash, that was -Hime- making a strike.

Just Great!, a guy that i know just dupped 70Billions worth of items....... seriously sometimes i ask myself why i still play this game and then i remember i'm a masochist.......

i don't even know how you guys are even logging in f3

Too bad it won't be worth 70b for long.

He's not saying it's anonymous, he's saying that it's less than a hundred script kiddies.

Where the pineapple do you see me implying that this was being done by Anonymous?

I doubt that 100 DDoSers could make much of a difference on servers that accommodate thousands of people every day.

I do agree with you here. That was what I meant by "resources".

Granted, this comes from my understanding of DDoS attacks relying on a massive network of computers that needs to scale properly against whatever its attacking.
As you said, Maplestory is designed to accommodate thousands of active users.

Thing is, if this were simply a result of solar activity or some other general noise on the internet, you wouldn't see neat crashes of all channels in all servers except for one or two channels for each server.
Recall that each physical computer runs multiple channels (between 2 and 7, depending on how new it is and how busy the server is), so the likelihood of all instances but one crashing is pretty low. It could happen if Nexon did something that causes "deadlocks", which force the OS/DB to terminate all but one of the deadlocked processes, but somehow I doubt they did that randomly this morning and couldn't figure out how to undo it for hours and hours.
Therefore, this is obviously the result of malicious activity. Now, it could be a bunch of the usual channel-crashers, suddenly perfectly coordinated across all servers, and for some obscure reason crashing all but one instead of the usual one channel that is sufficient for duping. Or it could be someone else with a different "agenda" which is pretty much plain vandalism and griefing.

I don't claim to know. I'm just speculating while I wait for the situation to be resolved.

Watching the crashes, I didn't see the pattern you described.

In several instances, only a couple channels in a world would be down.
In other instances, entire worlds would be down while other worlds appeared unaffected.

You haven't done anything to show that it's "obviously the result of malicious activity".

LOL at the people who instantly think anonymous when the word DDoS is thrown out, there was a thread on that one hacking site basically telling you how to flood the server with data crashing them aka DDoS think of it more as DC hacking the server @@@@@@

Then you could SAY that you're speculating instead of peddling idiocy and conjecture as fact.

See, thing is, this corresponds pretty damn well with solar interference.
Server is sending and receiving, then solar interference, then servers unable to send or receive, then interference stops, and sending and receiving starts again.
I say it's more likely that ALL the channels are crashing in ALL worlds, and those channels simply hadn't crashed by that point. Maybe they were a little more resilient or maybe a bit more laggy and so they didn't crash by the time the MapleStatus had updated. Then when it updated again, everything was back online and the channel had appeared not to crash, when it had in reality.
I hope you know how extremely stupid it sounds to say that the channel crashers are perfectly coordinated.
Because really, it's more likely that Nexon workers are simply bowling and using the server computers as the pins. That last huge crash, that was -Hime- making a strike.

I know the channels didn't crash because some people in my alliance remained online while the others dc'ed.
Other than that I don't think I'll continue this discussion.
I hope you're right, because it means the problems will disappear at sundown.

Just Great!, a guy that i know just dupped 70Billions worth of items....... seriously sometimes i ask myself why i still play this game and then i remember i'm a masochist.......

Wow. That.. is a lot.

LOL at the people who instantly think anonymous when the word DDoS is thrown out, there was a thread on that one hacking site basically telling you how to flood the server with data crashing them aka DDoS think of it more as DC hacking the server @@@@@@

Things like that are called DoS, not DDoS. Pretty big difference. Just FYI.

Things like that are called DoS, not DDoS. Pretty big difference. Just FYI.

I'm just quoting the thread they used the word DDoS and obviously they know more about hacking then I do so I'ma phrase it the way they did even through like u said it probably isnt the correct term

The problem with the solar interference theory is that there's no reason I can think of that explains what Nexon is using a satellite for or why all of their games would be reliant upon it. This has never happened in the past that I'm aware of so unless this 100% reliance on a satellite has developed in the last 6 months, I find it exceptionally unlikely.

Not to mention the problems began late last night (PST) aka after sundown.

Can we seriously, please drop the "solar flare" theory and only talk about things that are actually possible to be to blame?

LOL at the people who instantly think anonymous when the word DDoS is thrown out, there was a thread on that one hacking site basically telling you how to flood the server with data crashing them aka DDoS think of it more as DC hacking the server @@@@@@

Yeah, weird how people would automatically associate a term with a recent news item.
Like all those weirdos who immediately think "9/11" when they hear "plane crash" or think "SOPA" when they hear "censorship".

Meanwhile:
A DDoS ATTACK IS KINDA LIKE A DC HACK!?!

I doubt it.
If you look at the status page, you can see that each channel crashed at the same second of the minute every time, with a specified interval of minutes in between crashes that is mostly constant.
I see no reason why a hacker would need to, or even be able to crash the server exactly 3 minutes apart from the previous crash.

Nexon uses the Mayan calendar.

Things like that are called DoS, not DDoS. Pretty big difference. Just FYI.

If you encourage several hundred people to DOS the same target it becomes a DDoS by virtue of the participation.

If you look at the status page, you can see that each channel crashed at the same second of the minute every time, with a specified interval of minutes in between crashes that is mostly constant.
I see no reason why a hacker would need to, or even be able to crash the server exactly 3 minutes apart from the previous crash.

The status page does not tap the server on the shoulder and say, Excuse me, when did you crash? Write it down and report it.

The status page checks on a schedule, and records the results, on that schedule.

The status page has no idea when they crashed. It only knows what the status was when it checked.

I doubt it.
If you look at the status page, you can see that each channel crashed at the same second of the minute every time, with a specified interval of minutes in between crashes that is mostly constant.
I see no reason why a hacker would need to, or even be able to crash the server exactly 3 minutes apart from the previous crash.

Uh, no. It's Eos' program that's checking channels every 3 minutes.

Edit: Ninjas!

I realized that right after I posted it.
My bad.