Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS

Okay, so I am going to look into a few theories, but I do want to say something since it may take a little. Although with Luv and Kyr gone, there probably won't be much talking...Anyway back to the thing I wanted to say: I have somewhat claimed my faction, Luv got it, so I am surprised no one else got it.

I'll edit this post if no one else posts, but I think I have a theory of a possible mafia member, but I need to check a few things.

Edit1: oh Cakes got it too, I missed that.

Edit2: Lists are incoming:

-Liable, Shidoshi, Maspan, Holypie and Kyrastri were town
-Chaz and Luv were Neutral
-faonkarino and VerrKol were Mafia
Old Information:
-Kyrastri's power seem to affect votes and powers of both sides and herself has been revealed.
-Niernen was forced to vote for Chaz
-Luv is a virus and can affect votes has been revealed and infected VerrKol
-Meta's restricted, got digitized without a voice and has a late game ability
-Holypie was blocked on night 1, Meta was blocked night 2, Luv blocked night 3, Olsi blocked night 4
-TheBirds is claiming neutral survivor
-meow is the detective
-Meta, Olsi, and Polantaris have been confirmed town by meow, but could be godfather or VerrKol’d (doesn't include Polantaris)
-Cakes has a vote tipping ability, but not double voter


1. MetaSeraphim – Townie confirmed by detective, but could be godfather
2. Niernen – ?
3. ChaoticCJ – It should be obvious by now
7. Polantaris - Townie confirmed by detective, but could be godfather
11. TheBirds - Neutral claimed survivor
12. CakesXD – extra vote power - town?
16. Olsi – Townie confirmed by detective, but could be godfather
17. meowmixx – Detective

Edit 3:
Thanks for the reminder Polantaris.

-Meta, Olsi, and Polantaris have been confirmed town by meow, but could be godfather or VerrKol’d

Just as a note, I could not have been VerrKol'd, because of the line below:

Oh, and as soon as you're contained I'll be changing all the documentation, including anything public, back to what they were before you got your hands on them.

Therefore, unless I'm the godfather (which I am not), there's nothing influencing my alliance reveal from meowmixx's investigation of me.

I find it interesting that VerrKol didn't immediately change his alliance off of Mafia, but it's certainly possible that Olsi and/or Meta were changed. In fact, it further supports my suspicion of Meta, since I doubt meowmixx got a PM saying, "Oh, this information was BS before and now it's actually ****," and VerrKol could have had night priority over meowmixx, resulting in the documentation being changed before meowmixx got a look at it.

[MENTION=12295]meowmixx[/MENTION]; What days did you investigate who? VerrKol was on Night 3, right? My brain is just terrible tonight. I forgot that VerrKol revealed himself.

So looking at everyone's abilities:

1. MetaSeraphim – Late activation ability/Blocked
2. Niernen – ?
3. ChaoticCJ – Survivor
7. Polantaris - ? - Confirmed town
11. TheBirds - Survivor
12. CakesXD – extra vote power
16. Olsi – ? - Blocked
17. meowmixx – Detective

Under this set-up, it seems as though the roleblocker is Niernen. We have already gone through the fact that the roleblocker is probably mafia, but some opinions on this accusation would be nice. I know there is the possibility that the mafia is using the roleblock strategically, but...it is late and I'm tired. Just tell me if you guys think of this as a possibility. Sorry, like Polantaris, my brain isn't in the best state for analyzing.

it was meta, faon, olsi, and polantaris in tht order.

Yes, I am the roleblocker. I didn't want to say anything because I was convinced I would get lynched since everyone else seems the to think the roleblocker is mafia. I'm not, but it didn't look ly I could convince you guys otherwise since you looked like you had already made up your mind. I'll give my reasons for roleblocks anyways.

Night1: Chaze controls me and unfortunately disables Holypie. I had no say in this because of Chaz's power. Was originally aiming at Sega/CakesXD
Night 2: Disabled Meta because I did not trust his whole speech impediment and the fact that he really only defended himself
Night3: [URL="http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=74174&p=1266369&viewfull=1#post1266369"]I think this should be a reasonable explanation.
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Night 4: Decided I'd just go around roleblocking whoever Meow already cleared and see if anything happens (since there was a tailor). Obviously can't block meow, thebirds claims no power, and I already tried blocking Meta. But I doubt my block could stop a kill since that wouldn't make sense and would make me more powerful than the doctor. No idea what happened last night.

It might not be a good idea to explain what happened. Its better for us that the mafia doesnt know what happened than for it to get explained. If theyre in confusion they will make slip ups

So if we're to believe all the claims so far, then there must be a Godfather that was investigated by meow.

[MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION]; [MENTION=6616]Olsi[/MENTION]; [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION];

Tell us why we shouldn't vote for you. Since Niernen has claimed as a Town-aligned roleblocker and ChaoticCJ as a Neutral Survivor (much like TheBirds, which I find kind of strange that the two known Vanilla players are Neutral), I have my eyes set on you guys.

To be fair, we don't know if TheBirds or ChaoticCJ are neutral, we just have to take their word for it. Same for their powers. They could be town claiming neutral to avoid mafia, or mafia claiming neutral to avoid containment. No one has looked at either of them because they will get called scummy for even thinking someone else could have lied about their alignment.

So if we're to believe all the claims so far, then there must be a Godfather that was investigated by meow.

MetaSeraphim; Olsi; Polantaris;

Tell us why we shouldn't vote for you. Since Niernen has claimed as a Town-aligned roleblocker and ChaoticCJ as a Neutral Survivor (much like TheBirds, which I find kind of strange that the two known Vanilla players are Neutral), I have my eyes set on you guys.

Yea this question will work out greatly (/s), what is there really to say? I've helped (although some may say not a lot). The difference between the three of us is that polantaris keeps wanting to go after meta while I think meta is 100% town and shouldnt be lynched by us. Although I told polantaris to reread things that meta has said once already. Polantaris is trying to scum hunt but is mostly just going after meta. I think that's scummy as others have already pointed out. I think out of the three we'd have the best bet voting off polantaris.

Also I'm getting tired of people constantly making lists for people. Its already been done several times theres no point to it other than just posting imo.

I guess the first order of business is to deal with Niernen/Olsi.

Yes, I am the roleblocker. I didn't want to say anything because I was convinced I would get lynched since everyone else seems the to think the roleblocker is mafia. I'm not, but it didn't look ly I could convince you guys otherwise since you looked like you had already made up your mind. I'll give my reasons for roleblocks anyways.

Night1: Chaze controls me and unfortunately disables Holypie. I had no say in this because of Chaz's power. Was originally aiming at Sega/CakesXD
Night 2: Disabled Meta because I did not trust his whole speech impediment and the fact that he really only defended himself
Night3: [URL="http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=74174&p=1266369&viewfull=1#post1266369"]I think this should be a reasonable explanation.
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Night 4: Decided I'd just go around roleblocking whoever Meow already cleared and see if anything happens (since there was a tailor). Obviously can't block meow, thebirds claims no power, and I already tried blocking Meta. But I doubt my block could stop a kill since that wouldn't make sense and would make me more powerful than the doctor. No idea what happened last night.

I already said that I believe that the roleblocker was “mafia or not acting in the interest of the town.”

If the roleblocker was town: Blocking Holypie was an accident, since death still occurred there was no need to come out and say anything. Blocking Meta was a calculated strategy, the restriction could lead to a possible mafia boss. Result: kill still occurred, so Meta couldn’t be the killer. Night 3 we block Luv. There is no logic here, blocking anyone else would stop a kill, but blocking Luv would only stop the infection. Roleblocker is no longer acting in the interest of the town…conclusion…mafia.
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Using occam's razor, I can assume the roleblocker is mafia or not acting in the interest of the town.

This is a quote from the MafiaWiki:

Generally, Roleblockers are intended to try to stop the Night-kill, or stop scum power roles in situations where they are known.

So let’s say we believe that Niernen is town, it puts the light on Olsi. We didn’t have a kill, so there has to be some reason there was none. Niernen has no knowledge of stopping a kill so it lead to this: logic concludes that the mafia wanted Olsi to seem like the godfather or have been VerrKol’d.


Second order of business is myself.

ChaoticCJ as a Neutral Survivor (much like TheBirds, which I find kind of strange that the two known Vanilla players are Neutral), I have my eyes set on you guys.

I never said that the neutrals are vanilla or said that I was vanilla. I am not sure if it was Kyr’s ability or that it happened to be on day 3, but that is when my powers came in. I defended TheBirds because I knew there was at least one other Intruder out there at the time, but it seems like we all have some type of ability. For TheBirds power to not have kicked in by mid-day 5 does seem a bit suspicious, but then again four neutrals are a bit much so it may make sense for TheBirds to be without powers.

Regardless of whether you believe me or not, I have had the best interest of the town being first and foremost. I hope my actions of votes against Chaz, for faonkarino, and being the second to lynch VerrKol have proved that, but I can understand you being hesitant. Even so, just a reminder that we had this situation yesterday:

Seriously though...town people help...it is becoming the neutrals versus the mafia, did you people just give up or something.

Luv, myself, and TheBirds all decided to go after VerrKol with Meta joining along before his epic roleclaim. Also as a reminder, TheBirds was the one caught VerrKol in his story.

If you want my opinion, I don't trust Niernen, but I am biased because going after Luv was a HUGE waste imo. Even going after VerrKol would have helped confirm if VerrKol was the killer or not. I am biased though because I trusted Luv and Chaz's death confirmed he was Intruder, since no one else but an Intruder likely knew we had a neutral faction or even the faction name. I can also image with VerrKol finding the loophole, the mafia would want to stop all possible spread of the infection to keep VerrKol alive and go after someone else (like Meta) or the neutrals.


1. [MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION];
2. [MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION];
7. [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION];
11. [MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION];
12. [MENTION=10466]CakesXD[/MENTION];
16. [MENTION=6616]Olsi[/MENTION];
17. [MENTION=12295]meowmixx[/MENTION];

I feel like I have revealed quite a bit and quite a bit has been revealed, so I guess it’s time for the rest of the town to decide which direction they want to go in. We may be able to survive one more night even with a mess up, still we want to chose carefully.

Believe me in me when I say there was another reason why a kill didnt happen, but I dont want to say it because it would help the mafia.

Im with you on one thing CJ. I dont trust Niernen and I also still dont trust polantaris. Why would niernen wait until now to say he is roleblocker instead of when we were talking about whether roleblocker was mafia or town or not. It seems like a desperation play so he doesnt get lynched since thebirds was already going after him.

Why would I even bother claiming roleblocker if it was going to get me instalynched? I was trying to clear up some of the confusion instead of staying silent. I know roleblocker may not be a big target (especially compared to doctor or cop), but there was still a chance that coming out before would have gotten me killed so I didn't. If I didn't care to try and clear up the confusion about the role blocks, I could have just stayed silent. At this point, the only confimed townie is meowmixx.

 A waste of time

With the tailor gone, no one can really lie about their role either. It would have been possible to have Verrkol tailor the cop so he did not appear like one when he died and then have meow claim to be cop, but that is clearly not the case because no ones death PM's have changed to cop and the real cop would have spoken up by now if meow was not it. Therefore, meow has to be the cop, and the only one we know is a townie. this really had no point though.

so at this point with the claims we have we are looking at 4 neutrals, 10 townies and 3 mafiaso (most likely) since the breakdown being 10/3/4 is already pushing it heck it would make more sense if it was 11/3/3 and i really doubt the breakdown would be 9/4/4. nien is claiming to be the roleblocker and blocked olsi last night and we didn't have a kill, if anyone else was the roleblocker they would have likely come out by now since nien's claim would be horribly scummy. with 7 people left that would mean 3/2/2 so we have survive for another night if i am right and at this point lynching either olsi or nien seems to be the best course of action

I guess I have to explain to save myself since no one else caught on. Last night holypie got killed, then in the day verrkol died. When verrkol died all his past modifications to people got reverted. This means that unless the the mafia killed the cop they would be in more danger than anyone else they killed. With holypie the doctor dead the mafia didnt have anything to stop the kill so the probably went straight for meow.

However meta stated that her ability was taken by someone else. With holypie dead now it makes sense that Meta got her ability back and was able to protect meow.

So there you have it, I got roleblocked. Mafia without a tailor tried to kill meow out of fear, and meta stopped it with her new power.

It is also possible that Meta with the late ability activation had something to do with meow surviving

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Mafia without a tailor tried to kill meow out of fear, and meta stopped it with her new power.

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confirming what meta is saying i got a pm last night which was basically updating my data. i feel like olsi is trying too hard to get attention off himself and be townie and with nien saying he roleblocked olsi and no one dying last night i feel like olsi is the godfather of the mafia, with that. [Vote]Olsi

what do you mean by updating ur data?

Hmmmm. that was my guess as to what happened then I really have no idea what happened. I know you probably wont believe me but I assure you I'm not the godfather

what do you mean by updating ur data?

from the pm i am assuming meta's power could update another person's power since i had no power to update i simply got a double vote power

I'd mind as well reveal at this point. I need to get people to stop suspecting me at such a pivotal point of this game, where we can actually win. Plus I suspect the mafia will kill me tonight simply because no one else hasn't really revealed so there is only one person who could have stopped their kill last night. Me.

Let's rewind real quick to Day 1. A bunch of people revealed their names, and I said I was hesitant due to names having hidden clues to your abilities. This was dismissed by everyone who responded to me, and I will agree, for the most part, this is true. But it's not for me. Maybe it's because I can read into my own name.

I am Zee Powers. Powers. My ability is to copy powers. I am the Copycat. Every night I can copy a power, and then during the next night, I can either copy a new power or use the one I copied the previous night. I don't really get told what I copied is, but I can target who to use it on, and I keep it so long as I don't copy a new power.

On Night 1, I copied Meta. This is why I've been on them since Day 2. According to my result, they had no power. This seemed very odd to me, considering their massive restriction. I thought I'd get a notice of a power but it would do nothing if they had a restricted power, which is why I didn't buy the whole, "My power is late activating," spheal.

On Night 2, I copied Luv. To be completely honest, I actually missed his original role claim before I copied them. Regardless, this hit up an issue, where my Usage tag was given as a different term than my original role PM. This is why I asked them what their Usage tag was, because it would have been a red light to me, but at the same time I asked xBTAx if their change in the Usage tag was a mistake. Turns out that it was a mistake, which is why I never pressed the issue at all. There was still plenty of other holes in their story, which turned out to be honest mistakes.

On Day 3, both Holypie and Meowmixx had made role claims as the Doctor and Investigator respectively. Now we all know that they're going to die...but oh wait...

On Night 3, I copied Holypie. Originally, I was going to copy Meowmixx, but I realized there was a better way to fu'ck with the mafia, and in the end their confusion should have worked in our favor. Plus the extra investigation (because I can't immediately use the new power the same night), could have helped us.

On Night 4, I protected Meowmixx. The worst part of all of this...is that Meowmixx investigated me. They wasted the save. This is no one's fault, really, because I intentionally gave almost no information at all that I even had a power, but it is by far the most aggravating post I've ever read in a mafia game.

So why am I revealing?
1) People need to stop suspecting me. I am not mafia. When we are so close to the end of the game, it is pivotal that we get as many people away from being suspects as possible.
2) It is almost certain that I was going to be killed tonight anyway, as I am, as you guys have so nicely pointed out for us all, pretty much the only unknown left. That means that there's really only one person left who could have stopped the mafia kill, which is me. It's almost certain that I was dead tonight anyway, and I wanted to reveal myself instead of letting a Role PM do it (I've been legit thinking about how to do it for a couple of days now).



To Scum Hunting:

I think Niernen's roleblocker claim is acceptable. They've been far more vocal this game, and while I know I've mentioned and hate doing it myself, the meta-game says that they would be far less active and also pointing out pretty useless things to appear active but not really be doing anything.

Considering Meta's claim was backed up by TheBirds, I will accept that as well. However...what exactly did it do? Really? I have no idea.

CakesXD's power seems pretty irrelevant. Ties are pretty rare except when people do last minute scum lynch attempts. I don't really trust them.

Olsi had plenty of time to be edited by VerrKol. Their investigation is completely irrelevant. Meta was on Night 1, so the only way for that to have been wrong is for meowmixx to have a lower priority than VerrKol in terms of night action order. That's too much of a stretch and an impossible determination to be using as evidence. I already mentioned above why I was so against Meta since the near beginning, but I'm going to drop that. I could not have been altered. And faonkarino was probably not edited because they were playing so well, so no one in the mafia expected them to get investigated in the first place.

As a result, the only investigation we cannot trust is Olsi. They're also one of the more unknown players. I don't like it. [Vote] Olsi