"It's not botting, it's AFK training"

Sounds like the problem is the idiotic classes developed and the architecture not keeping up with it.



>competitive game
>Maplestory

Dude, ranks mean jack sh`it now especially since quest lines literally feed you to level 100. This game was a tiny bit competitve when 200 meant something, but now? Pfft, rank has no merit, fortunately they made a separate ranking system to honor the original 200's, but come on now.

I don't think that's entirely fair... The top rank spots up to level 250 would have been 'competitive' if the race to level 250 was fair from the beginning, but instead it's been a complete disaster. Unleashed started off with level 200+ being able to purchase 2x EXP coupons, then Warrior Grounds was nerfed and 2x EXP coupons were removed, then there was a huge dupe exploit which flooded many of the more populated servers with 1.5x EXP boxes, then the ridiculous 40 level party gap/full party play EXP issue happened, then it was patched... it's been awful. If that stuff hadn't happened and the race was 'fair', I imagine people would care a lot more about botting being a serious concern for legitimate high level players. As it stands a lot of people either don't care and have accepted that they're only shooting for level 250 for their own personal reasons as opposed to doing it for a 'respectable' rank, or have simply joined in and are now botting too because Nexon hasn't done anything to combat it.

I don't think that's entirely fair... The top rank spots up to level 250 would have been 'competitive' if the race to level 250 was fair from the beginning, but instead it's been a complete disaster. Unleashed started off with level 200+ being able to purchase 2x EXP coupons, then Warrior Grounds was nerfed and 2x EXP coupons were removed, then there was a huge dupe exploit which flooded many of the more populated servers with 1.5x EXP boxes, then the ridiculous 40 level party gap/full party play EXP issue happened, then it was patched... it's been awful. If that stuff hadn't happened and the race was 'fair', I imagine people would care a lot more about botting being a serious concern for legitimate high level players. As it stands a lot of people either don't care and have accepted that they're only shooting for level 250 for their own personal reasons as opposed to doing it for a 'respectable' rank, or have simply joined in and are now botting too because Nexon hasn't done anything to combat it.

But since the playing field was not even when they increased the stat cap, the point is kind of moot.

I don't think that's entirely fair... The top rank spots up to level 250 would have been 'competitive' if the race to level 250 was fair from the beginning, but instead it's been a complete disaster. Unleashed started off with level 200+ being able to purchase 2x EXP coupons, then Warrior Grounds was nerfed and 2x EXP coupons were removed, then there was a huge dupe exploit which flooded many of the more populated servers with 1.5x EXP boxes, then the ridiculous 40 level party gap/full party play EXP issue happened, then it was patched... it's been awful. If that stuff hadn't happened and the race was 'fair', I imagine people would care a lot more about botting being a serious concern for legitimate high level players. As it stands a lot of people either don't care and have accepted that they're only shooting for level 250 for their own personal reasons as opposed to doing it for a 'respectable' rank, or have simply joined in and are now botting too because Nexon hasn't done anything to combat it.

Well you all clearly care even after all that occurred, people like me don't care because the level cap clearly is just a temporary measure for an overwhelming problem.

A Demon Slayer in GAZED has been training using a macro for months, iirc a GM actually ended up coming to his map after so many people reported him but he didn't get banned because the way he bots looks 'legitimate'.

Same happens in windia, there is this cannonmaster and some others using the same thing, it looks like the person is there but its not...

It must either look very convincing, or it's really damn convincing. I don't think the GMs are *that* gullible...?

Maplestory's architecture is ancient beyond words. Either reinforce it (which they did at some parts, barely), or they'll have to tear it down and rebuild it. We've been on this before, and we clearly know their choices and the whys.

Hadriel

It must either look very convincing, or it's really damn convincing. I don't think the GMs are *that* gullible...?

Maplestory's architecture is ancient beyond words. Either reinforce it (which they did at some parts, barely), or they'll have to tear it down and rebuild it. We've been on this before, and we clearly know their choices and the whys.

Hadriel

 not an accusation i said nothing at all

[video=youtube;ItvIMjkLhRQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItvIMjkLhRQ[/video]

fascist

It must either look very convincing, or it's really damn convincing. I don't think the GMs are *that* gullible...?

They are.
You have to remember that GMs, by and large, have no idea how to play the game. They don't know what things that happen on the screen require human action, and what happens by itself (pet buffs, etc).
I assume they have been trained to spot bots by their jittery movements and random teleports. While those are typical of people botting using certain 3rd-party "trainer" programs, they obviously don't happen with spin4days'ers (nor weight-on-a-key botters). So those don't get banned.

Edit: and as for people who have more "realistic" macros, the only way to spot them is to try to engage them in conversation. Maple is a very repetitive game, and when grinding for weeks on the same map one does develop a pattern and rhythm of attacks and buffs. The DS in Mazz's video never reacted to people talking about him, nor to being KS'ed by the lumi, which is quite suspicious. But. Korea is on NexonNA's tail for every possibly-legit NX-buying player they ban... which is one reason NexonNA prefers to just ban FM spambots.

I see what's going on. A report to Nexon of such type would have to be rather detailed, not only including the detail, but also specifying (to some degree) the macro pattern, as well as timestamps that would show that it is looping macro, and any other "interesting characteristics". What I didn't say should be fairly obvious.

I do get annoyed when GMPolice likes to DC me for all the wrong reasons, particularly at Krexel.

Hadriel

According to the ToS (at least from what I remember reading in SW 5 years ago), it is botting but it's rarely, if ever, enforced.

According to the ToS (at least from what I remember reading in SW 5 years ago), it is botting but it's rarely, if ever, enforced.

Had competent personel actually gone out patrolling, they'd treat it exactlly like they would hacking.

I'm a firm believer that every GM should be required to level to at least 100 within the first couple months with the company. They should take a 30 minute mandatory break every day at work to play the game and learn how it functions.

That or they should be shown films discussing how the game works, what a hacker looks like, and how they should proceed with documenting the hacker.

Also the films should be in this style.

[video=youtube;4KIdTPS6LH4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KIdTPS6LH4[/video]

[video=youtube;jU6nxJsQAzE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU6nxJsQAzE[/video]

>competitive game
>Maplestory

Dude, ranks mean jack sh`it now especially since quest lines literally feed you to level 100. This game was a tiny bit competitve when 200 meant something, but now? Pfft, rank has no merit, fortunately they made a separate ranking system to honor the original 200's, but come on now.

If it's not a competitive game, why do you care if people are actually at their computers holding down the attack button? It's not like this is such a widespread issue that it's preventing any players that choose not to play the game that way from playing the game.

The only people I can see that have any kind of legitimate complaint about people afk'ing to level are people who are actively trying to get leaderboard ranks that can't attack while afk. If you don't think that's a legitimate number of people, I don't think this is a legitimate problem.

If it's not a competitive game, why do you care if people are actually at their computers holding down the attack button? It's not like this is such a widespread issue that it's preventing any players that choose not to play the game that way from playing the game.

The only people I can see that have any kind of legitimate complaint about people afk'ing to level are people who are actively trying to get leaderboard ranks that can't attack while afk. If you don't think that's a legitimate number of people, I don't think this is a legitimate problem.

It is not so much what it does directly as it is the indirect damage it is causing to the game climate.

Maybe that it is just me, but I refuse to play games with people who disregard rules and have no love what so ever for what they play.

If it's not a competitive game, why do you care if people are actually at their computers holding down the attack button? It's not like this is such a widespread issue that it's preventing any players that choose not to play the game that way from playing the game.

I don't care, hence why I said ranks don't mean sh`it anymore. Did you read my post? I don't think you tried. Anyway, yeah, the problem isn't that people are competitive, it's because they're own work gets less value. That and cheaters typically are considered immoral and wrong in general.

The only people I can see that have any kind of legitimate complaint about people afk'ing to level are people who are actively trying to get leaderboard ranks that can't attack while afk. If you don't think that's a legitimate number of people, I don't think this is a legitimate problem.

The minority cares little about ranks, they just don't want their ranks flooded with players who cheated to get there. That isn't exactly a competitive issue, it's a moral issue.

I don't care, hence why I said ranks don't mean sh`it anymore. Did you read my post? I don't think you tried. Anyway, yeah, the problem isn't that people are competitive, it's because they're own work gets less value. That and cheaters typically are considered immoral and wrong in general.



The minority cares little about ranks, they just don't want their ranks flooded with players who cheated to get there. That isn't exactly a competitive issue, it's a moral issue.

So it's a competition of morality?

So it's a competition of morality?

That's also why I hate these. Saying that alt+tabbing hurricane is against the TOU is a scapegoat. The TOU also explicitly forbids swearing, revealing your name, exchanging NX for mesos, kill stealing, or linking to any non-nexon website, but I don't see anyone asking to justify any of those things. There's a bitter irony when Justin criticizes Words for having a holier than thou attitude when the majority of this thread is 'I am holier than thou because I don't press my hurricane button and then alt+tab to gain experience'

So it's a competition of morality?

It's more of a question of morality. How important to you as a person, do you find it fair other players cheat in general? You'll find a lot of the players who are complaining about it aren't complaining about the repercussions but rather the fact they are getting away with it. That's why I don't think this is competition related.

When leeching, duplicating and such first appeared it wasn't a question of just morality, people had arguments how it affected their gameplay, their ability to be successful, etc. This case it's just "These guys are lazy and they should be banned". Partly I feel this is more whining because utlimately the game has gone through so much toxic sludge based on these moral choices that besides shutting the game down or getting flat free NX purchases by false transactions, the worst circumstances have occurred and stiuck unfortunately.

That's also why I hate these. Saying that alt+tabbing hurricane is against the TOU is a scapegoat. The TOU also explicitly forbids swearing, revealing your name, exchanging NX for mesos, kill stealing, or linking to any non-nexon website, but I don't see anyone asking to justify any of those things. There's a bitter irony when Justin criticizes Words for having a holier than thou attitude when the majority of this thread is 'I am holier than thou because I don't press my hurricane button and then alt+tab to gain experience'

So you're in favor of this?

You just listed additional rules, it doesn't make the other rules suddenly less important or not to be considered. It's considered botting, no one can really argue that, even if you hold the key down, your explicitly taking advantage of something that is not intended. You can't argue agains the TOS so you try slander its credibility because it's rules are, to you, inappropriate. Yet I can guarantee that's just legal jargon staples that almost every game has. But disregarding all that, you choose to play a game where you can't respect or recognize the TOS, based on your own juvenile perspective. Yet you agreed to them and continue to play, which means you accept them.

So whine all you want about how ridiculous the TOS, you're just as goddamn ridiculous for accepting it. All you do is leave them an opening to delete your account for even the smallest annoyance on your part "OH, you think our rules suck huh? "-INSERT NAME HERE-" INTRODUCING YOUR REAL NAME IS FORBIDDEN BUH BYE".

All and all people need to stop trying to justify they aren't rule breakers, and just accept they are. If you want to cheat, then own up to it, don't be a coward about it.

You just listed additional rules, it doesn't make the other rules suddenly less important or not to be considered. It's considered botting, no one can really argue that, even if you hold the key down, your explicitly taking advantage of something that is not intended. You can't argue agains the TOS so you try slander its credibility because it's rules are, to you, inappropriate. Yet I can guarantee that's just legal jargon staples that almost every game has. But disregarding all that, you choose to play a game where you can't respect or recognize the TOS, based on your own juvenile perspective. Yet you agreed to them and continue to play, which means you accept them.

So whine all you want about how ridiculous the TOS, you're just as goddamn ridiculous for accepting it. All you do is leave them an opening to delete your account for even the smallest annoyance on your part "OH, you think our rules suck huh? "-INSERT NAME HERE-" INTRODUCING YOUR REAL NAME IS FORBIDDEN BUH BYE".

All and all people need to stop trying to justify they aren't rule breakers, and just accept they are. If you want to cheat, then own up to it, don't be a coward about it.

I don't care if people do this or not since it doesn't affect my experience at all. I'm just saying that saying it's against the rules isn't a valid excuse if you break any of the rules you're supposedly following.

If it's actually a problem, it's on Nexon to fix it. I guarantee you Nexon doesn't even think it's a problem or they'd take the five minutes to fix it the way they fixed that extra inventory slot exploit recently.

Play legit or don't play at all

I don't care if people do this or not since it doesn't affect my experience at all.

If it's actually a problem, it's on Nexon to fix it. I guarantee you Nexon doesn't even think it's a problem or they'd take the five minutes to fix it the way they fixed that extra inventory slot exploit recently.

1) The elementary level word you're looking for is hypocrite/hypocritical.

2)

I'm just saying that saying it's against the rules isn't a valid excuse if you break any of the rules you're supposedly following.

This doesn't make sense, it is perfectly valid, you hacking doesn't mean that you lose touch with reality and can't identify cheaters suddenly.

If it's actually a problem, it's on Nexon to fix it. I guarantee you Nexon doesn't even think it's a problem or they'd take the five minutes to fix it the way they fixed that extra inventory slot exploit recently.

Wrong. See you look like an ass when you make assumptions. Unfortunately I haven't gotten the clear to explain what is going on with it as of yet, but rest assured, they are working on it, and they absolutely don't condone/agree with it.