Captain Planet Mafia. Final. Town + Neutral Wins.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]Pardon double post, but this is going to be a lot of info and I don't want it to go unnoticed by simply editing it in to my previous post.

Names in Red voted for Maping. If the mafia are smart, there won't be more than 1 or 2 mafians amongst this group, but it's very likely that there's at least 1.
Names in Purple did not vote at all. I wouldn't expect more than 1 mafian from this group. Possibly none.
Names in Orange voted for Corn. Given his roleclaim as doctor and lack of counterclaim, these are suspect but don't necessarily have a mafian amongst them. I wouldn't expect more than 1 mafian amongst this group.
Names in Green voted but had no observed impact on the actual lynch.

1. Corn - Presumed Doctor. Saved me from a mafia hit, so I trust him for now. Vote for Maping can likely be disregarded given that it was his only viable choice to prevent a lynch on himself, at the time.
2. Maping - Dead townie
3. FenixR - Only person that didn't vote? Needs more data.
4. MasPan - Me
5. ChaoticCJ - yewjrn's first vote went to CJ. I don't really suspect him for now. He also didn't want to bandwagon Corn for a lynch.
6. Words - Possibly fishing for information on Afeared and Corn. Suspect. Also defended Zelkova - if Zelkova is mafia, then I'd suspect Words even moreso.
7. Curtiss - First vote was for a now-dead mafian based on the order of players (bottom to top) in a similar manner as my first vote (top to bottom). Not highly suspect at this time.
8. Netto - Second person to vote for Maping after myself. See below for Zelkova. Suspect.
9 - Derosis - Need more data
10 - Polantaris - Need more data
11 - Zelkova - Tried to turn my opening vote on Corn into a lynch. First person to attempt to get someone killed rather than simply get people talking. Words defended Zelkova when Afeared claimed to have information on him - if Words is mafia, Zelkova likely is too. Suspect. This is why I voted for him yesterday vice Maping.
12 - Afeared - Possibly has information related to Zelkova, claimed to suspect Maping. If Zelkova is a townie, Afeared is to be suspected.
13 - Moldyvort - MORE DATA
14 - VerrKol Voted for Corn. Comment about "global cooling" and wanting to protect Gaia may be him breadcrumbing as the fire planeteer.
15 - yewjrn - Dead mafia
16 - MetaSeraphim - Suspect. This guy's up to no good, I tell you.

[Vote]Words
I don't trust you right now. You're one of the folks who voted to kill a townie, the most likely group to contain at least 1 mafian. You were also rolefishing multiple people yesterday.[/COLOR]

Pardon double post, but this is going to be a lot of info and I don't want it to go unnoticed by simply editing it in to my previous post.

Names in Red voted for Maping. If the mafia are smart, there won't be more than 1 or 2 mafians amongst this group, but it's very likely that there's at least 1.
Names in Purple did not vote at all. I wouldn't expect more than 1 mafian from this group. Possibly none.
Names in Orange voted for Corn. Given his roleclaim as doctor and lack of counterclaim, these are suspect but don't necessarily have a mafian amongst them. I wouldn't expect more than 1 mafian amongst this group.
Names in Green voted but had no observed impact on the actual lynch.



[Vote]Words
I don't trust you right now. You're one of the folks who voted to kill a townie, the most likely group to contain at least 1 mafian. You were also rolefishing multiple people yesterday.

How was I supposed to know that he was a townie? Besides, it was safer to vote for Maping than to let Corn get lynched. My vote was more than enough to prevent Corn's lynch, blame the ones who kept on voting for him, not me. Or blame the ones that kept their Corn votes.
Everyone pointing out how the last game went made me doubt Corn, I wasn't role fishing.
For Afeared it was this:

I think I'll vote for Zelkova for reasons I'd rather not discuss yet because it's kind of personal and I don't wanna say anything that'll get me hurt :/

How is that not fishy? Especially after he posts his reasons for suspecting Maping, but not for Zelkova. I just wanted to know what made him suspicious of Zelkova, if he suspected something and it was reasonable it might've been better and maybe we wouldn't have lynched Maping. It was just day 1, how would he have any information?
Afeared even insinuated that Corn was mafia even after his claim.
Polantaris also defended Zelkova. Why aren't you suspicious of him? He also never changed his Corn vote, and he posted after Corn's claim.
I'm curious about @Zelkova starting the lynch too.

I'm rather wary of both Words and Zelkova currently. Afeared's lack of disclosure could go either ways (Zelkova is town and has a beneficial action/Zelkova is mafia and has a night action), it can be said that Words is merely pointing out that it's suspicious how Afeared could decide on voting for Zelkova on Day 1 and finally, Zelkova seems suspicious just because of trying to get someone off the bat.

Not voting for now, but my order of voting would be Words < Zelkova < Afeared in that order depending on what I see. Some like Derosis look a bit suspicious as they didn't vote, but there's too little information to decide on that.

Well tonight's events were unexpected to say the least... at least we're keeping things even.

I'm going to reserve my vote and watch closely as today unfolds...

Can we actually confirm @Corn; 's role as Doctor, or are we just going to assume it's a bus driver? Just because he Roleclamed X doesn't mean Y didn't happen, or he could possibly be Z. He could have easily mislead us to vote for the lynched townie in question by roleclaming an incredibly useful role.

Now that I think of it, what IS a bus driver supposed to be in this context?

How was I supposed to know that he was a townie?
If you're mafia, that's an easy question to answer.

Besides, it was safer to vote for Maping than to let Corn get lynched.
Agreed. It still puts you in the most likely group to have at least 1 mafian, though.

My vote was more than enough to prevent Corn's lynch, blame the ones who kept on voting for him, not me.
Every vote has equal weight with exception, rarely, to a tiebreaker vote or to a Mayor role.

Or blame the ones that kept their Corn votes.
Everyone pointing out how the last game went made me doubt Corn, I wasn't role fishing.
I said explicitly in my first post that meta should be disregarded. 1 game does not a metagame make, and basing decisions off of a single game is a bad idea.

For Afeared it was this:

How is that not fishy? Especially after he posts his reasons for suspecting Maping, but not for Zelkova. I just wanted to know what made him suspicious of Zelkova, if he suspected something and it was reasonable it might've been better and maybe we wouldn't have lynched Maping. It was just day 1, how would he have any information?
Afeared's comment was suspicious. The specific way you demanded an answer is also suspicious. I noted that I am skeptical of him, but that there is more cause to suspect you right now than him.

Afeared even insinuated that Corn was mafia even after his claim.
At this point the claim was early, so a counterclaim was/is still possible. Especially when the claim only came when Corn was being pushed into a corner. I wasn't sure of Corn at the time, either.

Polantaris also defended Zelkova. Why aren't you suspicious of him? He also never changed his Corn vote, and he posted after Corn's claim.
I am "skeptical" of Polantaris. I'm still not entirely sure what I think, though, and there are too many people that stand out a lot for me to be too worried about him at this time.

I'm curious about @Zelkova starting the lynch too.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]Comments in puce. You addressed the points I made, but I'm concerned that you are apparently trying to focus my attention towards people that aren't as worrisome to me. This was part of why I made that list - I wanted to see who would bandwagon those I labeled as suspect and who would attempt to divert from that list.

You interest me in that you did not attempt to deflect towards the others that I suspect more highly and instead are trying to divert attention to people that I'm not as worried about.

There's a name that you avoided mentioning entirely. Netto.
(Moved vote to bottom of post for easier reading for Host)

Can we actually confirm @Corn; 's role as Doctor, or are we just going to assume it's a bus driver? Just because he Roleclamed X doesn't mean Y didn't happen, or he could possibly be Z. He could have easily mislead us to vote for the lynched townie in question by roleclaming an incredibly useful role.

In order to credibly believe that Corn is a Bus Driver, he would have to:
1. Know who the REAL doctor is when nobody else does
2. Have known who someone OTHER than the real doctor was going to target last night (namely, me).

That's a lot of stretching to assume Corn is a Bus Driver. Doctor hasn't been counterclaimed and I can verify that I was indeed successfully protected last night.

Unless you're implying that you targeted me last night. I was visited by more than 1 person last night, not all of them in a threatening way. I have certain clues as to who those people may be, enough that a breadcrumb or two should be able to confirm some folks as townies if they can identify themselves.


Let's see what happens if I do this.
[Vote][MENTION=3730]Netto[/MENTION];

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[MENTION=7446]Words[/MENTION] I actually did give my reasoning for voting for zelkova: ""Why would you vote for me? I'm the nice guy!""

The same reason for suspecting Maping but hers was different so... words cannot explain.

Anyways I decided to steak out last night and see what was going on at [MENTION=814]MasPan[/MENTION]'s house. Someone broke in and messed with all of his stuff but apparently he is unharmed. O-o

@Words I actually did give my reasoning for voting for zelkova: ""Why would you vote for me? I'm the nice guy!""

The same reason for suspecting Maping but hers was different so... words cannot explain.

Anyways I decided to steak out last night and see what was going on at MasPan's house. Someone broke in and messed with all of his stuff but apparently he is unharmed. O-o

[COLOR="#cc8899"]LIES AND SLANDER. I RECEIVED NO STEAK.

Well there's a clue then. The person who broke in was the one who was digging through my stuff. Nothing was taken, though.

So either
Someone is out there searching for an item/person, Afeared is the detective, and Corn is the doctor
or
Afeared is a watcher (NOT a detective), the detective investigated me, and Corn is the doctor

The mafia seemed to target me last night as well, though the broken window being related to the detective might imply that Corn was right - something else stopped the hit.

That still leaves at LEAST one other person who either visited or affected me last night. Possibly two. Both of them Planeteers. One of them tracked mud all over my carpet (might've been the detective). The other made me feel like the Grinch on Christmas.

Afeared: Are you ABSOLUTELY certain that the break-in and the person looking through my things were the same player? Or were those simply two events that you were told occurred?[/COLOR]

Zelkova seems suspicious just because of trying to get someone off the bat.

The time I voted doesn't even pertain to this game at all, I just did it when I had a free moment at work. You all read WAY too much into this. I voted for Corn because he started the vote in MasPan 's game.

I also said

Lynch Corn, he is lynch-happy!

(Just kidding)

To reiterate, you guys think WAY too far into things.

To reiterate, you guys think WAY too far into things.

But it does remain to be seen if you're kidding or not. As I've mentioned, I'm suspicious but not convinced about the three of you just yet.

To reiterate, you guys think WAY too far into things.

This is mafia. That's kindof the point. Everything you do or say is subject to scrutiny, to include doing/saying nothing.

I agree that in this game you have to overreact to every single thing, since its the only way to get some info in the day, nights take a long time to get and be useful (If you have an action of course).

The only reason i didn't have a definitive vote last time was because i wasn't really looking to lynch someone, since there was no much information to go on about and i hate to move blindly.

Polantaris also defended Zelkova. Why aren't you suspicious of him? He also never changed his Corn vote, and he posted after Corn's claim.

My apologies for being asleep preparing for work/at work after my vote. Real life comes first.

That being said, I must:
[Vote] [MENTION=9924]Afeared[/MENTION];
His reasonings for voting Zelkova just don't add up. I don't mean to constantly be on Zelkova's side, but Afeared has given no valid reasoning for his votes other than "Just because," which is beyond suspicious. His other reason wasn't exactly the most convincing argument either. He claims that this run should have no influences based on the previous run, however we can learn a lot by studying the previous game, like the fact that Zelkova claimed to be the nice guy, no one believed him, he was lynched, and the result was that you lynched the good guy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious of Zelkova, but Afeared currently outranks him with his bad responses, and I simply do not have enough evidence on Zelkova to vote against him at this time. But Afeared...I feel like I do.

My apologies for being asleep preparing for work/at work after my vote. Real life comes first.

That being said, I must:
[Vote] [MENTION=9924]Afeared[/MENTION];
His reasonings for voting Zelkova just don't add up. I don't mean to constantly be on Zelkova's side, but Afeared has given no valid reasoning for his votes other than "Just because," which is beyond suspicious. His other reason wasn't exactly the most convincing argument either. He claims that this run should have no influences based on the previous run, however we can learn a lot by studying the previous game, like the fact that Zelkova claimed to be the nice guy, no one believed him, he was lynched, and the result was that you lynched the good guy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious of Zelkova, but Afeared currently outranks him with his bad responses, and I simply do not have enough evidence on Zelkova to vote against him at this time. But Afeared...I feel like I do.

Additionally, there's quite a fair chance that lynching Zelkova would not be helpful info or role wise while lynching Afeared could tell us more. What makes him stand out beyond the other two I mentioned is that he appears to have information from Day 1 and it's highly unlikely that a townie would have something like that in my opinion.

[Vote] Afeared. This vote may or may not change depending on how you defend yourself still, but I have less reason to trust you than I do Zelkova and Words currently.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]Keeping an eye on the Afeared situation. He's not high up there on my trusted list either, but I consider others to be more significant a threat. Afeared also accurately described the events that happened outside of my home last night - watchers are usually a town role.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that I know exactly what his role is. Unless the events of last night were just a bunch of monkey business and nobody knows which way is down as a result.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#cc8899"]Keeping an eye on the Afeared situation. He's not high up there on my trusted list either, but I consider others to be more significant a threat. Afeared also accurately described the events that happened outside of my home last night - watchers are usually a town role.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that I know exactly what his role is. Unless the events of last night were just a bunch of monkey business and nobody knows which way is down as a result.[/COLOR]

In that case, I hope I have time to change my vote in case something significant comes up.

Comments in puce. You addressed the points I made, but I'm concerned that you are apparently trying to focus my attention towards people that aren't as worrisome to me.

I seem to be the one you're most worried about. And I explained who I was suspicious of, which explains most of my behavior.

This was part of why I made that list - I wanted to see who would bandwagon those I labeled as suspect and who would attempt to divert from that list.

Eh, I didn't divert on purpose. I completely forgot Netto's existence because he has barely posted. You might be right about him, he voted to lynch but didn't give any reasons to do so.

You interest me in that you did not attempt to deflect towards the others that I suspect more highly and instead are trying to divert attention to people that I'm not as worried about.

Again, I'm not trying to divert, I just posted who I thought was suspicious and some of them are valid. Polantaris is still defending Zelkova. I seem to be wrong about Afeared though... I wouldn't know what to think about Netto, other than his vote there's nothing much to go on with.


@some of the above comments that were posted while I replied to Maspan:
I wouldn't vote Afeared yet, because of what Maspan said and Afeared recent posts. It's like no one notices claims ._.
pineappleing pomegranate posts in puce... quoting Maspan will be a pain in the ass.

I wouldn't vote Afeared yet, because of what Maspan said and Afeared recent posts. It's like no one notices claims ._.

Yes, and it could easily be an elaborate lie. I noticed his claim, but at what point should I trust him? It's like a job interview, he started off with a bad impression so I will continue to have a bad impression of him until he gives me a very good reason to not have a bad impression of him. Mentioning how he "checked out MasPan's house" after MasPan had already mentioned that he was checked out...that seems perfectly fine to you?

Just like how we have no reason to believe that Corn is actually the doctor, either. Bawling out with, "I'm the doctor!" on day one, even if it's possible to be lynched(Note, possible, not probable nor guaranteed), doesn't exactly confirm that they are the doctor. It's entirely possible that the real doctor doesn't want to create a debacle about who is actually the doctor and stay in hiding, and let Corn eat the bullet while the real doctor stays around saving people(OR go and save Corn, who knows?). It's not exactly perfectly wise to announce you're one of the most valuable townies unless it's guaranteed to save your life, which likely ends up getting you killed at night anyway. This is all especially true when it's the very first day.

I'm not trying to say anyone isn't who they say they are, but Day 2 and we already have two roleclaims. If I were either of those two roles, I wouldn't exactly jump to being a target so soon by claiming it myself, and let them suffer the consequences of their quick actions.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]Afeared gave details that he couldn't have known unless he either IS the person who broke in or he observed the person who broke in. Either option makes him an investigative role in a way that indicates town.

What he posted matched what I got in my result PM pretty closely.[/COLOR]