Nexon America Inc. v. Ryan Michael Cornwall

If you ever find it let me know, cause I have an entire guild who've been looking.
Had high hopes for FFIV until they scrapped it and started redesigning it, live. Even with it being "done" now I just don't have the interest to or trust to go look again.

I think it looks better than ever so once it finally goes live on the PS3, I think I'll be giving it a shot.

Edit: what? Is that serving cost right (referring to the actual case, and most specifically Sarah Decker's fee for serving the grandmother of The Phone Guy). $1,087

I should become a server.

I think it looks better than ever so once it finally goes live on the PS3, I think I'll be giving it a shot.

You can be my retest. I just object to literally having everything I did/own/am wiped and redone (while I am still trying to use it). Turned me off horribly so I need time away before I can come back and look at it fresh. If you think it's good when you try it I may come back with Gog.

Edit: what? Is that serving cost right (referring to the actual case, and most specifically Sarah Decker's fee for serving the grandmother of The Phone Guy). $1,087

Process Servers get paid out the ass, they're like bounty hunters of the bureaucracy.

You can be my retest. I just object to literally having everything I did/own/am wiped and redone (while I am still trying to use it). Turned me off horribly so I need time away before I can come back and look at it fresh. If you think it's good when you try it I may come back with Gog.



Process Servers get paid out the ass, they're like bounty hunters of the bureaucracy.

Too bad no one likes getting served.

[video=youtube;xk6Bp3gi_7s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk6Bp3gi_7s[/video]

Too bad no one likes getting served.

People don't generally like being bounty hunted either.

Near the beginning, while naming defendants.

Part of the Nexon TOS btw is agreeing to the venue in which all suits occur. IE: You agree to be sued in California according to California law, regardless where you live and that you will use the California court for any suits you bring against Nexon.

This only applies to the claims for breaches of contract. It is a contractual term governing the law under which the contract operates.

For the other claims - copyright etc that still depends on other things - eg for copyright - probably where the infringement took place. Which is also California if hacker lived there. Though for the defendents in the US probably makes no diff since laws similar.

anyway if they are outside of the US, they can just refuse to appear for lack of jurisdiction. so the guy in china probably will escape because it will take heaps of time + money for nexon to try get the chinese govt to help them or something.


Office in Delaware - not necessarily. Al it means is that it was incorporated under Delaware law, probably to take advantage of the lower taxes. It might not even have any offices there, or maybe just a shell office.

also nexon is probably saying like they caused billions of dollars of damage as a bargaining chip in hoping to get them to settle.


Interesting things

Nexon has not included in the claim enforcement of the clause in the TOS which says "if you h@ck you agree to pay nexon 5000 damages". Many people made a big fuss over this when they first made you have to click the TOS to enter the game. Of Course any lawyer will tell you that this is a nonsense clause which is not enforceable under any law.


Also interesting, Nexon are arguing copyright infringement by creating a derivative copy of the game. This I find quite fascinating, (probably because I am studying copyright). Nexon are saying they are making an altered version of the game in the computer memory (that is the game plus the inj3cted h@ck). While I am not sure that will succeed, since I think temporary copies in computer memory do not count as a copy in many copyright laws.


Also is Ryan a guy or girl? I mean has he used the name Alexandria? Are they like a siblings h@cking team? Is he a G.I.R.L.? a transvestite? I used to think he was a girl until the law suit revealed his name to be ryan. Now I am a bit confused. :f6:

Near the beginning, while naming defendants.

Part of the Nexon TOS btw is agreeing to the venue in which all suits occur. IE: You agree to be sued in California according to California law, regardless where you live and that you will use the California court for any suits you bring against Nexon.

This only applies to the claims for breaches of contract. It is a contractual term governing the law under which the contract operates.

For the other claims - copyright etc that still depends on other things - eg for copyright - probably where the infringement took place. Which is also California if hacker lived there. Though for the defendents in the US probably makes no diff since laws similar.

anyway if they are outside of the US, they can just refuse to appear for lack of jurisdiction. so the guy in china probably will escape because it will take heaps of time + money for nexon to try get the chinese govt to help them or something.


Office in Delaware - not necessarily. Al it means is that it was incorporated under Delaware law, probably to take advantage of the lower taxes. It might not even have any offices there, or maybe just a shell office.

also nexon is probably saying like they caused billions of dollars of damage as a bargaining chip in hoping to get them to settle.


Interesting things

Nexon has not included in the claim enforcement of the clause in the TOS which says "if you h@ck you agree to pay nexon 5000 damages". Many people made a big fuss over this when they first made you have to click the TOS to enter the game. Of Course any lawyer will tell you that this is a nonsense clause which is not enforceable under any law.


Also interesting, Nexon are arguing copyright infringement by creating a derivative copy of the game. This I find quite fascinating, (probably because I am studying copyright). Nexon are saying they are making an altered version of the game in the computer memory (that is the game plus the inj3cted h@ck). While I am not sure that will succeed, since I think temporary copies in computer memory do not count as a copy in many copyright laws.


Also is Ryan a guy or girl? I mean has he used the name Alexandria? Are they like a siblings h@cking team? Is he a G.I.R.L.? a transvestite? I used to think he was a girl until the law suit revealed his name to be ryan. Now I am a bit confused. :f6:

I had no idea the name "Michael" was feminine in nature. Excuse me, I have a friend who needs to know to change his name.

I had no idea the name "Michael" was feminine in nature. Excuse me, I have a friend who needs to know to change his name.

From the documents, list of defendents

RYAN MICHAEL CORNWALL a/k/a
"Riu Kuzaki" and "Alexandria
Cornwall";

one of his listed aliases is Alexandria Cornwall.


other interesting stuff - from the defenses raised

estoppel - basically Nexon has lead them to believe, by their conduct, that they would not be sued, or that they allowed or tolerated the h@cking

lachees - basicaly Nexon has waited too long to sue so they should be seen to have acquiesced; or sort of accepted that h@cking is ok.

trial
Also if this goes to trial, members of the public should be able to attend the trial. any southperryers living in LA with spare time?

Implying that an alias, an online one at that, cannot be of a different gender.

BTW, [MENTION=9421]RayGun[/MENTION];, this is Southperry, not Nexon forums. You're allowed to type "hack" and "injected" and even "script".

While I am not sure that will succeed, since I think temporary copies in computer memory do not count as a copy in many copyright laws.

Correct. A "Copy" of the game created in RAM can not be sued for as copyright infringement if such a copy is materially necessary for the functioning of the service itself - You can't play their game without a copy of the game loading into RAM. Unless they were actually hosting a copy of it and allowing other people to connect that is absolute hogwash even if it's a modified copy of their original game, because it's not being infringed upon if it's not being distributed.

Updated.

'everyone else does it so they should be sued too' - that's what it comes down to when both sides are to blame.

I think a better defense would be "this is ultimately a victimless crime" - case dismissed. (Haven't read the entire thing so dunno if that little defense was used).

And now we know why it only took a few years for a broken system like the MTS to go away. I'm almost certain it won't be back.

Here's what we're missing at the moment;

Nexon America Inc. et al v. Ryan Michael Cornwall et al

Date	Title	Price
6/26/2012	MEMORANDUM in Opposition to Motion	$4.49
6/26/2012	Response in Opposition to Motion	$6.99
6/26/2012	Declaration Lloyd Korn	$5.99
6/26/2012	Declaration Marc Mayer	$6.99
6/26/2012	Application to Seal	$2.99
6/27/2012	Order on Application to Seal (document)	$2.99

Those last two may indicate the case is closed to the public now, but seems unlikely they'd be able to justify it, depending entirely on who requested it and why.

I wonder what good ol' Lloyd korn had to say in that declaration.

Blurgh... I'll try to donate when I get paid next friday.

Curosity kills me i swear.

It's an awful expensive declaration in and of itself. And verbose.

Does the expense correlate to how long it is?

Does the expense correlate to how long it is?

It's directional, yes, but the formula isn't strictly per page. It's like bucketed increments. Korns is 15 pages for example, but the next one is only 16 but moved up a 1$ presumably because it moved into the next bucket range.

It's directional, yes, but the formula isn't strictly per page. It's like bucketed increments. Korns is 15 pages for example, but the next one is only 16 but moved up a 1$ presumably because it moved into the next bucket range.

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