Empress killable legitimately

UGH. PLEASE READ MY FIRST POST THEN READ ICEPHOENIX'S ORIGINAL ATTEMPT AT CONTRADICTION.

legitimacy matters because they want to say they did it. IT SHOULDNT MATTER IF ITS PERSONAL. Does anyone realize they are reinforcing my original statement x_x

you got that backwards actually, it matters to me personally, i don't care for the opinions of others as long as it's legit to me.

also, pretty sure you're just reading what she wrote literally, and didn't get what she said/don't know her, which is understandable, i doubt she would go around spamming smegas about how she killed whatever and how her kill has more worth than someone else's. but more because it's a personal goal she wants to achieve.

You want to be able to say "I made this accomplishment". That completely contradicts what everyone is preaching because a personal accomplishment is just that personal. So why does it matter if it was legit or illegitimate? It doesn't. That's the game, illegitimacy is more common, things like integrity are an archaic reminisence of what the game used to support.

So I ask you again, why does it matter either or? IT IS going to be dominated by hackers, you're a fool if you don't expect that. Saying "I did it legitly" just opens you to all forms of assault. Accomplishment? Fine, relevance? none.

There you are again, claiming that you define what is relevant and what isn't. What does hackers have to do with people doing it legitimately? There is ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS! People doing it legitly just makes them more relevant because they did it legitly. Also, Leeching off Kaasaljoy's credibility? No, I've had my own argument this whole time, you will just listen to him and call me an idiot because he's him and I'm me.

If I solo'd czak, maybe I'll post about it because I want to. There's an entire thread dedicated to achievements and 99%+ of them probably wouldn't fall under what "a real achievement" is anyways. I don't see a point trying to argue about it either. Let people do what they want, which is also why I will let people argue in this thread because they think it's a good use of their time and it's what they want to do. I don't see it that way but I'm not going to try to change everyone's opinion to match my own. Nor am I going to be nitpicky on how things are phrased just so I can be correct and give myself self-gratification on being correct.

tl;dr



Gonna do what I wanna do and have fun at it without giving 2 fucks what others think. Come at me.

misled by thread title, had gud laff laff

But when did that become relevant?

That was the entire argument from the get go.

I thought we were discussing how you continuously discredit people's achievements and what they do for fun?

Quote it. I never discredited anyone's accomplishments, I said hackers strip them from them. I don't care what they do for fun, my opinion is just that, my opinion. A personal accomplishment is much different than a discussed one. If you had any sentence comprehension applied here, like you hypocriticaly and retardily tried to criticise me on, you'd see that was being said.

I've been saying the same thing for 2 pages, you just keep bringing up irrelevant garbage and then calling me an idiot. You know why you do that? Because you're wrong and multiple people have proved you wrong.

No, you haven't. The first page was about me being a hypocrite and encouraging eltisism. I made you sit down on that subject in one post. Then you followed up with this accomplishment garbage, which really wasn't my intitial statement being challenged, and now lastly, telling me I'm too mad, that I shouldn't be on southperry because I don't play maplestory and all I do is insult.

Funny I know what you typed better than you do. Oh by the way, where's the quote where I went off topic with my last response? Non existant right? That's because you posted something idiotic and irrelevent. Oh and for your information I have contributed a lot to this website. Look around princess. How about the obvious donator status.

Your current contributions to Southperry are opinionated rants about how the game is broken and because you can't have fun, NOBODY ELSE BETTER HAVE FUN EITHER!

Yes your 2 months of experience of reading my posts that's about a years worth completely justifies your opinion about me. I have said, multiple times, maplestory is a fun game, but it's too poorly managed to be anything more than a dissapointment device. Eventually the company is going to kill you, if the hackers even let you log on, or if the glitches don't autoban you, or the latest data stolen to get hacked. Or hell, maybe just another "cube tier" will come out and ass f`uck you anyway.

I also know a few guilds in Bello that stay away from duped gear and are beginning to organize to attempt empress. What if they kill it? They'd better not get any recognition because dupe exists and maplestory is run by hackers right? That's the premise of your whole argument. Read that again and realize how silly that is.

They should absolutely get recognizition but how important is it when majority of the community uses trainers? Hm? Or you want to try to argue that?

you got that backwards actually, it matters to me personally, i don't care for the opinions of others as long as it's legit to me.

also, pretty sure you're just reading what she wrote literally, and didn't get what she said/don't know her, which is understandable, i doubt she would go around spamming smegas about how she killed whatever and how her kill has more worth than someone else's. but more because it's a personal goal she wants to achieve.

You want acknowledgement, otherwise it wouldn't matter who killed it and who didn't. She won't go around bragging about it, but that's her underlining statement. She want's people to know she did it with work. If it's personal and you people don't care about other opinion's a thread, let alone argument like this wouldn't exist.

There you are again, claiming that you define what is relevant and what isn't. What does hackers have to do with people doing it legitimately? There is ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS! People doing it legitly just makes them more relevant because they did it legitly. Also, Leeching off Kaasaljoy's credibility? No, I've had my own argument this whole time, you will just listen to him and call me an idiot because he's him and I'm me.

Everyone's not kaasaljoys. One is dominant than the other. Does it matter if which ever group kills it? Absolutely not, because all you get is that personal gain that you did it. Which brings us back to the same goddamn question;

At this point why does it matter if it's legitimate or not? Anyone who kills empress will have some form of dupe equip anyway.

And to elaborate that further, "merchanted duped equips, or spent copious amounts of NX to accomplish something utterly overshadowed by hackers litterally deflating any profit that could be made from said boss".

All for personal achievement? Congratulations, but what does it matter if dupemule128972414 ended up killing empress, along with his army of thousands of clones. It doesn't so any thread stating "WAS IT LEGIT" is stupid because most of the game isn't. And that isn't like, TOS crap, that's "I have used duplicated items, duplicated scrolls, to make profit or used on my own character".

Go look at basilmarket for 20 minutes and tell me otherwise.

If I solo'd czak, maybe I'll post about it because I want to. There's an entire thread dedicated to achievements and 99%+ of them probably wouldn't fall under what "a real achievement" is anyways. I don't see a point trying to argue about it either. Let people do what they want, which is also why I will let people argue in this thread because they think it's a good use of their time and it's what they want to do. I don't see it that way but I'm not going to try to change everyone's opinion to match my own. Nor am I going to be nitpicky on how things are phrased just so I can be correct and give myself self-gratification on being correct.

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Gonna do what I wanna do and have fun at it without giving 2 pineapples what others think. Come at me.

Thanks for giving me another example of what the intention is. "I DID IT, LOOK AT ME, WHOO YE". If it's personal than it shouldn't matter to anyone if hackers downed it or not. Gratz you want to adveritse your accomplishment because you want[/b[ too. But why? Why do you want to advertise it, [b]because it's important to you, as is someone killing it legitly or illegitmately. Yet none of you guys could kill it legitly without shelling out thousands of dollars or contributing to the very thing you all complain about, hacking.

Your stance constantly changes, as it should considering the number of people you have disagreeing. You remind me quite a bit of Mitt Romney, changing stances when its convenient to try and gain popularity. You also accuse me of trying to gain sympathy, but I don't have 7 or 8 people arguing with me like you do. Obviously you're lookin for sympathy.

"They should absolutely get recognizition but how important is it when majority of the community uses trainers? Hm? Or you want to try to argue that?" Again, how do hackers stain legit accomplishments when hackers and legit players are not related in the slightest? Because 1000 players use a trainer, the 30 players that don't have everything they ever do stained because of the hackers? I don't see the correlation between the two, because there is none.

let me nitpick here

At this point why does it matter if it's legitimate or not? Anyone who kills empress will have some form of dupe equip anyway.

and say i don't have a single duped equip :U i used duped scrolls, and for the dominator, duped ingredients, but all of my equips are "one of a kind" so to speak, not that it matters or was your point.

we're annoyed that hackers downed it because... well, it's hackers, simple as that, even when i was a little nub that couldn't even go into cwkpq without fear of dying, i've been annoyed at hackers doing this kind of stuff (PB, CHT, etc), but it has nothing to do with it being an achievement or not, it has to do with them being hackers.

@above: you're wrong, mainly because it's not hackers that stain the achievements or whatever, but the fact that anyone that declares himself as legit, WILL have to have dealt with duped something at some point.

Your stance constantly changes, as it should considering the number of people you have disagreeing. You remind me quite a bit of Mitt Romney, changing stances when its convenient to try and gain popularity. You also accuse me of trying to gain sympathy, but I don't have 7 or 8 people arguing with me like you do. Obviously you're lookin for sympathy.

My god just stop trying. My stance hasn't changed. I don't like you because you don't contribute anything. You reitterate and try to look smart. Then you make it sound like I'm prejudice against you, yet I'm treating anyone any differently. They post a good point, I attempt to discuss it in a reasonable respectful way, because they gave me a respectful point. You tell me to run away and try to insult me and contradict yourself at every goddamn post.

You don't even argue my points, hell you don't even quote me, or provide any rational explanation of your accusations. You just write a jumbled paragraph of a chaotic thought process. It makes you appear unintelligent, just being straight up with you.

[INDENT]let me nitpick here


At this point why does it matter if it's legitimate or not? Anyone who kills empress will have some form of dupe equip anyway.


and say i don't have a single duped equip :U i used duped scrolls, and for the dominator, duped ingredients, but all of my equips are "one of a kind" so to speak, not that it matters or was your point.

we're annoyed that hackers downed it because... well, it's hackers, simple as that, even when i was a little nub that couldn't even go into cwkpq without fear of dying, i've been annoyed at hackers doing this kind of stuff (PB, CHT, etc), but it has nothing to do with it being an achievement or not, it has to do with them being hackers. [/INDENT]

If you used those items, although I know you don't have much of a choice without sacrificing incredible amount of range, what does a clear supporter have to give them any credible criticism of hacking/hackers?

Once you cross that line you lose the right to make those type of judgements without making yourself look like a hypocrite. That's another reason I left, I couldnt stand being a hypocrite.

I apologize for not donating to this site like you, apparently i'm not a good member of the community then. You contradict yourself fairly often, from page 2 talking about how killing things that hackers kill HAVE NO VALUE whatsoever to page 4 where you say that they have value but they still are not relevant. I have not once contradicted myself, and if so then PLEASE quote me Mr. Donator

There's also the fact that on page 2 you were operating on the premise that its factually correct that maple is RUINED by hackers but above you just stated that was just your opinion. Make up your mind won't you?

You tell me to run away and try to insult me and contradict yourself at every goddamn post.

have to agree with this, don't really want to have the thread locked now ~_~

@above: you don't contradict yourself because you post the same thing, over and over again.

Because he has no good answer for it, he just calls me names and apparently thats ok because he donated a few dollars to this piece of pomegranate

@above: you're wrong, mainly because it's not hackers that stain the achievements or whatever, but the fact that anyone that declares himself as legit, WILL have to have dealt with duped something at some point.

So because dupe exists, everyone is guilty and a hypocrite no matter what? Thats like saying because crime exists in America EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US IS AUTOMATICALLY A CRIMINAL! What an intelligent statement

The title of this thread should be changed.

Ok honestly this has gone far beyond the original discussion of Empress killing. Both of you should take it to PMs because you honestly have more a problem with each other than you have with Nexon. Can we please get back to the topic at hand?


I think once the DB revamp hits and empress is "fixed", it shouldnt be that much of a problem for everyone to get full empress just in time for them to release a new boss with level 150 gear that makes empress look like poop.

The problem is, no one enlightened me that this is a pay to post website. Let me just hit up my paypal!

And to the great and almighty Takebacker, what should the thread be titled then?

I apologize for not donating to this site like you, apparently i'm not a good member of the community then.

I also had a seperate subforum created for that "thread" I linked to you. Other things too but nothing, such as the omok tournament I hosted recently.

You contradict yourself fairly often, from page 2 talking about how killing things that hackers kill HAVE NO VALUE whatsoever to page 4 where you say that they have value but they still are not relevant. I have not once contradicted myself, and if so then PLEASE quote me Mr. Donator

I'm also not gonna fall into your petty trap of pomegranate talking, but keep trying to drag me down.

Pretty much every post after that one. How was your fall by the way?

There's also the fact that on page 2 you were operating on the premise that its factually correct that maple is RUINED by hackers but above you just stated that was just your opinion. Make up your mind won't you?

The game has a balance of f`uckery between the actual company and illegitimate players. It's a very simple concept. Hacking stripped the game out of any morale, the company reinforced it by not regulating it. Hackers have brought the game down to his knees. They made the very currency the game produces worthless, they showed they have more power than the very company itself with dc hacks, and determine what an items worth is.

What else ruined the game may I ask? I say that's pretty much the nail in the coffin.

Another opinion that you're stating as a fact because you donate to this site and because apparently your pomegranate does not stink. The game is not ruined for those who choose to still enjoy it and stay out of dupe and other things that YOU consider illegit

The problem is, no one enlightened me that this is a pay to post website. Let me just hit up my paypal!

It's not pay-to-post, but when two people get in an argument, especially one that's not going anywhere, is when they are advised to take it to PMs to show some consideration for other people.

It's not pay-to-post, but when two people get in an argument, especially one that's not going anywhere, is when they are advised to take it to PMs to show some consideration for other people.

This argument isn't going anywhere because of my southperry name and the fact that my opinion apparently doesn't have any weight. Even though my opinion is the same as of you and Kaasaljoy, but that doesn't matter because I don't donate to this site and because Khaini can't think of anyway to disprove my arguments except call me names

Another opinion that you're stating as a fact because you donate to this site and because apparently your pomegranate does not stink. The game is not ruined for those who choose to still enjoy it and stay out of dupe and other things that YOU consider illegit

I'll say this as slowly as possible. You said my contribution is limited to arguing with, well people like you. I explained I have donated to the website therefore invalidating your accusation. This does not make me better than you. What makes me better than you is you can't f`ucking keep a consistant argument.

You want to play this legit game? Explain to me how purchasing hacked item's not legitimate? Cmon, humor me, I could use a laugh. And I'll let the community answer how they feel about the game. But rest assured they don't feel the same.

Cmon everybody how satisfied are you with the current status of the game?

trying to beat the hackers will only give you despair, trying to beat yourself with friends and such is how to make the game real fun.

There are aspects of this game that hackers will affect regardless of how much you try to avoid them such as the mass deflation of scrolls/equips
that players previously invested in.

I do agree that this game can still be fun depending on how you play it but that only goes so far for players who wish to do more.

I think once the DB revamp hits and empress is "fixed", it shouldnt be that much of a problem for everyone to get full empress just in time for them to release a new boss with level 150 gear that makes empress look like poop.

I didn't mind paying 4+ bil (some paid 8+ bil) for the once illusive 140 weapons during the hero key box event/hot times.

Thought I would have more time to sell them before empress could be fixed but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore with
players expecting mass deflation thanks to hackers being the main ones who can farm 140 weapons.

This empress boss has been handled rather poorly by nexon.