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Sarah Wrote:How does that order even make sense in your mind? haha
I don't know, that's why I said I haven't paid too much attention to the doors since I stopped playing back in May, but this is Nexon we're talking about
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It's the door to the past. Past of the Verdure, Frozen Past, Burning Past, Forgotten Twilight...do any of these map names ring a bell? How about their connotative and denotative relation with the past? xD
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MysticHLE Wrote:It's the door to the past. Past of the Verdure, Frozen Past, Burning Past, Forgotten Twilight...do any of these map names ring a bell? How about their connotative and denotative relation with the past? xD
my mind imploded, i shouldn't read this kind of thing at 5 in the morning. i thought it was the door to our past memories
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MysticHLE Wrote:It's the door to the past. Past of the Verdure, Frozen Past, Burning Past, Forgotten Twilight...do any of these map names ring a bell? How about their connotative and denotative relation with the past? xD
I was reading this and wondering why no one had posted this...
The destroyed temple is the present (lolwut). It exists in the past, and the destroyed monks and guardians we see in the demon slayer's story are the ones that we've been killing in the past.
Also, there's a reason why the middle door would be the door to the present: it's in order.
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Eliseo Wrote:Why does everyone forgets about General Hive? He is like Evan archnemesis.
I mean, none of you have made an Evan? D:
Hiver is Aran's and Evan's personal troll, but he's far too weak to be of any use to anyone. In fact I'd been thinking of him as another lackey, perhaps slightly more advanced than the giant and the puppeteer (who are basically just goons) but not in possession of a proper title of 'General' yet. I don't remember him ever having been called General, it's always been Gentleman this, Hiver that.
Also, where would the dark witch fit into this equation? The one you fight in the final Cygnus quest. She's clearly stronger than Orca, weaker than Von Leon, and has a purple cloak instead of the typical blue one worn by the musclemen.
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I think Orca was just weak to match Mercedes' level in the storyline.
It makes no sense that a 3rd job advancement boss (?) should be a general, unless she was holding back or something.
Maybe her true form...is a giant
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Haseo Wrote:Also, where would the dark witch fit into this equation? The one you fight in the final Cygnus quest. She's clearly stronger than Orca, weaker than Von Leon, and has a purple cloak instead of the typical blue one worn by the musclemen.
+1 for remembering about the Dark Witch. She alone was able to set a trap, petrify all knights and Cygnus and take over Ereve. As far as I remember she flees when you beat her, but if Orca can be a General (she probably wass holding back on Mercedes) I'm pretty sure Dark Witch is one aswell.
TheCompleteEnd Wrote:Maybe her true form...is a giant
![[Image: Killerwhales_jumping.jpg]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Killerwhales_jumping.jpg)
I wouldn't be surprised if she could transform, just like Von Leon. In fact, what if all generals got to transform to let their true power out? That would explain why they seem weak in human form. Akhyrum could transform into a Giant Snake/Basilisc and his true name could be Tom Riddle
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She's also much stronger than Hiver, if that counts for anything. Still don't know where the hell Hiver fits into this entire convoluted general system.
@Byakugan: Or Maybe the Dark Mage is just a lolicon, Orca is attractive after all.
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That door can actually lead to the past. See the red, burnt Leafre background?
This is the background that looks like it. But why is it together with Time Temple?
Maybe, it's because the door leads to the past. The past of Heroes. The past Leafre map, was the place where Aran and Freud were defeated by the Black Mage, and as shown in the Mercedes trailer, there was a previous battle of Mercedes agains't the Black Mage, inside a very dark Time Temple map, she loses, and faints.
This could mean this area is related to the day where the Black Mage was sealed, and the Heroes defeated.
By looking at the trailers, Mercedes and Freud fought the Black Mage inside it's throne room, in the Temple. Aran was injured, late, and busy taking care of rescuing the kids with Athena.
Mercedes is defeated, Freud survives, and the Black Mage goes after Aran in that Leafre themed map. Both Aran and Freud are defeated.
Aran, Mercedes, Afriend and Freud are cursed.
*Aran was the first one to be defeated, he was frozen already in the place where the Battle took place.
*Afrien, heavily injured, can't move and begins to freeze, he lays an egg, and begs Freud to hide that egg, so the Onyx Dragons won't be extinct, and wait for the egg to find it's rightful owner, a man as pure of heart as Freud. He hides the egg, and dies. Since he was just an ordinary human with a pure heart.
*Mercedes wakes up, and goes to the Past Leafre area, she finds Afrien freezing, and Freud dead. She cries for both, and then remembers of Eurel, Afrien using his last powers, teleports to her city to try to save her, and everything was freezing there too. She goes after the citizens, and fulfills their last wishes. She, at the last quest, is asked to close the town, maybe for the Black Mage to stop thinking about destroying it.
She closes the door entrances with a heavy amount of magic from the three sages, after it, everyone's frozen, and she finds herself alone. Not being able to help her friends, and finding everything destroyed, she goes to her room and is frozen in a very long sleep.
This area looks like you'll be coming back in past, the day where the Great Battle occured. Since it looks like there were two battles agains't the Black Mage, one in it's habitat, the Dark Time Temple part, and the one in the burning forest, that after his last spell, turned out to be Rien. Aran was frozen in the place where the Battle took place, and Afrien too, that's why they're in Rien.
Really, looking forward to this. :O
Seems like that after Demon Slayers, the Black Wings are actually showing up, and there's a symbol for them, the symbol in Akyrum's head, an eye, also is shown when Black Wings attack Magatia.
Also, this is the cat form that the guy in the beginning of the Demon Slayers tutorial is sealed into. He REALLY looks like the cat in Sailor Moon. :O
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I seriously doubt that Freed and Afrien were in the trailer at all. There are too many graphical inconstencies between the dragon master and the dragon in the trailer and Freed and Afrien. Look at the dragons' head markings and the dragon masters' hair colours. If anything, the trailer shows carbon copies of Evan and Mir.
Whether the battle in the trailer happened in the past or not is subject to uncertainty, since everything goes out of the window when you're dealing with an area that pineappling lets you travel through time.
But that would also mean that Evan and Freed were coexisting in the same timeline, separated by a mere distance. (assuming of course that you accept that the evidence points towards Evan being in the mercedes trailer)
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Haseo Wrote:I seriously doubt that Freed and Afrien were in the trailer at all. There are too many graphical inconstencies between the dragon master and the dragon in the trailer and Freed and Afrien. Look at the dragons' head markings and the dragon masters' hair colours. If anything, the trailer shows carbon copies of Evan and Mir.
Whether the battle in the trailer happened in the past or not is subject to uncertainty, since everything goes out of the window when you're dealing with an area that pineappling lets you travel through time.
But that would also mean that Evan and Freed were coexisting in the same timeline, separated by a mere distance. (assuming of course that you accept that the evidence points towards Evan being in the mercedes trailer)
Evan wasn't in that trailer. It's Freed, the only inconsistence is the fact the Dragon is much smaller. That is not only a trailer, it's shown at the beginning of Mercedes' storyline, which means it happened in that moment. If you watch the trailer again, you can notice it suddenly stops when mercedes launch a powerful attack.
She was defeated by that time, and then wakes up near Freed and Afrien. Also, she cries specially for Freed, it looks like he was at least a good friend of her, since she remembers of him everytime.
Still, if you compare to that image when Mercedes finds him dead, there's no graphical inconsistence for Freed. Look at this image and compare to the screen.
Evan looks like this:
The only graphical inconsistence, as i said before, is just the fact Afrien's much smaller, the dragon looks like last stage Mir, there's nothing wrong with it. Since Mir was born from an egg laid by Afrien, and both are Onyx Dragons. Still, i find that dragon pretty different than Mir, he looks much more adult. :x
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aslemn Wrote:Evan wasn't in that trailer. It's Freed, the only inconsistence is the fact the Dragon is much smaller. And Freed's hair is much darker in that image.
Compare your picture to...
Evan
and
Freud
Really, though, people need to stop trying to interpret these promo trailers as canon.
Just look at the Demon Slayer's video for proof! It has him fighting the Black Mage, something that never, ever happened.
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Why everyone understimate Hiver? When you finally confront him after Evan and Mir know the truth, the name under him is General, if I remember correctly.
He is a smart person, and he realized that the dragon Evan had was an Onyx dragon, not like Grendel and the entire population of Victoria island, where they
thought that Mir was a lizard. How blind can they be?
Also, are Mercedes quests related to Aran and Evan? Because Evan went and undid everything that Aran and Cygnus tried to do, without knowing they were doing bad stuff.
And as far as I know, we already have a full table of Black Mage generals.
Akyrum, Orca, Hiver,Von Leon, Demon Slayer, Black Witch and ?
They are all powerful, and I don't doubt we will see a pq with all of them together, where we will need a Cygnus character. <.<
And the only reason that Hiver and Orca arn't as powerful, is because we fight them at 3rd Job advancement.
I mean, not like they will be at their fullest when you are 70, right?
And Mir is supposed to be as big as Afrien, It just npc referral. The first dragon that Evan meets is Mir, not Afrien, at the very begging of the Evan storyline. That I know for sure.
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Bullsh'it, I just typed out a huge bunch of pomegranate and then everything got deleted because I misclicked a tab and exited the damn page.
Basically, Anselmn, look at the hair colour and the robes.
Freed appears twice ingame, once in the Mercedes tutorial, sporting blonde hair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGKHCf3vZ0
He also appears in one of the Evan quests with blonde hair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nnCmZ_DZk
It's not even brownish blonde, it's plain yellow. No resemblance to Evan or the guy in the trailer, who are both brown haired.
Viaje posted the release poster for Evan. It says 'dragon master Evan' and clearly should not show Freed. Now compare the robes from the guy in that poster with the guy in the trailer. Blue gem, blue markings, black shorts. Look at Freed's robes in every instance that he appears. No gem, black markings, reaches his toes, no visible shorts.
Now compare 0:58 of the trailer and the Mercedes tutorial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6-4cUavo...r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kWU838M53w
0:29 of the Mercedes tutorial shows Afrien's head and forehead markings.
http://forums.asiasoftsea.net/showthread.php?t=788256
The images of Mir in the above thread bear a much closer resemblance to the dragon in the trailer. Notice that Afrien does not bear a gold symbol on his forehead, while both final growth stage Mir and the dragon in the trailer do. Afrien's symbol is the colour of his scales (because he's nearly dead), nearly invisible by contrast, and has a different design. It has a serpentine shape, while Mir's forehead symbol is an omega letter surrounded by lines. This further supports the conclusion that the dragon in the trailer is, in fact, Mir. There are simply too many inconsistencies between the dragon in the trailer and Afrien- size, and symbol/markings.
Then, if we accept that it is Mir is in the trailer, he cannot be accompanying Freed, since he is bound to Evan both spiritually and chronologically. Since he is bound to Evan, it must be Evan in that trailer.
Ergo, the trailer shows Evan and Mir. Unless Nexon completely pineappled everything up, it has got to be Evan and Mir, not Freed and Afrien.
Viaje Wrote:Really, though, people need to stop trying to interpret these promo trailers as canon.
Just look at the Demon Slayer's video for proof! It has him fighting the Black Mage, something that never, ever happened.
Actually, it does. It's the reason why there is a female and a male version of the trailer. You see it when you create a Demon Slayer in KMS. It's part of the tutorial, just after DSlayer tries to vent on Ark-something-snake guy for the death of his sister. The door opens, DSlayer goes in, performs the epic pomegranate and falcon punch in the trailer, ends up being beaten and sealed in an egg for as long as Aran was encased in ice, and then breaks out of it.
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Haseo Wrote:Bullsh'it, I just typed out a huge bunch of pomegranate and then everything got deleted because I misclicked a tab and exited the damn page.
Basically, Anselmn, look at the hair colour and the robes.
Freed appears twice ingame, once in the Mercedes tutorial, sporting blonde hair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGKHCf3vZ0
He also appears in one of the Evan quests with blonde hair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nnCmZ_DZk
It's not even brownish blonde, it's plain yellow. No resemblance to Evan or the guy in the trailer, who are both brown haired.
Viaje posted the release poster for Evan. It says 'dragon master Evan' and clearly should not show Freed. Now compare the robes from the guy in that poster with the guy in the trailer. Blue gem, blue markings, black shorts. Look at Freed's robes. No gem, black markings, reaches his toes, no visible shorts.
Now compare 0:58 of the trailer and the Mercedes tutorial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6-4cUavo...r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kWU838M53w
0:29 of the Mercedes tutorial shows Afrien's head and forehead markings.
http://forums.asiasoftsea.net/showthread.php?t=788256
The images of Mir in the above thread bear a much closer resemblance to the dragon in the trailer. Notice that Afrien does not bear a gold symbol on his forehead, while both final growth stage Mir and the dragon in the trailer do. Afrien's symbol is the colour of his scales (because he's nearly dead), nearly invisible by contrast, and has a different design. It has a serpentine shape, while Mir's forehead symbol is an omega letter surrounded by lines. This further supports the conclusion that the dragon in the trailer is, in fact, Mir. There are simply too many inconsistencies between the dragon in the trailer and Afrien- size, and symbol/markings.
Then, if we accept that it is Mir is in the trailer, he cannot be accompanying Freed, since he is bound to Evan both spiritually and chronologically. Since he is bound to Evan, it must be Evan in that trailer.
I have to disagree. I think that Freed is in the trailer, and that fight is before they were sealed up. Just like the Demon Slayer trailer, where after his family is killed he goes to confront him. All of those trailers seem to be Pre-Black mage sealing up fight.
However, I'm gettin a bit confused how all it went. The 5 heroes went to fight the black mage in that amazing Leafre fight, where Freed, the most powerful mage of all times according to the storylines ( Yes, the story says that Freed was looking for a way to become more powerful, and then he alliance with Afriend to fight and stop evil.) sealed up the black mage while the other heroes were "distracting" him.
But in Mercedes storyline, Freed is dead and already hide the egg, I mean like what? The battle should have happened that same day, and left the 4 heros + Afrien being sealed by the Black Mage final attack.
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Haseo Wrote:Unless Nexon completely pineappled everything up
now why would you assume that?
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Viaje Wrote:And Freed's hair is much darker in that image.
Compare your picture to...
Really, though, people need to stop trying to interpret these promo trailers as canon.
Just look at the Demon Slayer's video for proof! It has him fighting the Black Mage, something that never, ever happened.
It did happen. Have you seen what happens when you create one Demon Slayer?
You spawn in the Temple, and get into a Black Wings reunion, you get to see the generals, and then you spawn in a burning house. You click on 3 different places, then click at a small locket. You find it, and it shows a cutscene of the Demon Slayer looking at the picture of his mother, and his brother Damian.
He then, looking for revenge, comes back to the temple and fights the black mage. Then he loses the battle, and is sealed inside Leben Mine. J finds him, and takes him to the Resistance. The "promos" aren't only promos, they are cutscenes too.
The promo art you showed up shows Freud, not Evan. See the girl next to him in the first image?
As you posted an image of the player being transformed into Freud, you should also take a look at the level 70 quest for Evans.
You go to the lost cave in Rien, and then Afrien says he will show you what happened in the past. If you're a female Evan, you'll be transformed in the past Hero, the female version of Freud, that would fit the story when Mercedes is a male character.
The girl in your screenshot IS the girl Hero, meaning the other guy is the male hero. Freed's blonde, but has a light brown hair colour in that trailer, although inconsistent, Evan's hair is dark brown.
Make a new evan character, and pay attention to the cutscenes, and the images of the boy and girl. The girl has a VERY different hair compared to the first image, and the boy has a dark brown hair.
The promo image you posted shows the Hero, the master of Afrien, in both male and female forms.
Really, people need to stop trying to assume things without reading, or looking at it in game. You know, those videos can be more than just random ass action for new characters.
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Eliseo Wrote:I have to disagree. I think that Freed is in the trailer, and that fight is before they were sealed up. Just like the Demon Slayer trailer, where after his family is killed he goes to confront him. All of those trailers seem to be Pre-Black mage sealing up fight.
However, I'm gettin a bit confused how all it went. The 5 heroes went to fight the black mage in that amazing Leafre fight, where Freed, the most powerful mage of all times according to the storylines ( Yes, the story says that Freed was looking for a way to become more powerful, and then he alliance with Afriend to fight and stop evil.) sealed up the black mage while the other heroes were "distracting" him.
But in Mercedes storyline, Freed is dead and already hide the egg, I mean like what? The battle should have happened that same day, and left the 4 heros + Afrien being sealed by the Black Mage final attack.
Mercedes was unconscious, Freed probably didn't bother to look for her. He'd have enough time to hide Afrien's egg, die, and then be found by Mercedes.
I still don't get why you continue to doubt that it's Evan, though.
Raul Wrote:now why would you assume that?
They've done it before.
aslemn Wrote:It did happen. Have you seen what happens when you create one Demon Slayer?
You spawn in the Temple, and get into a Black Wings reunion, you get to see the generals, and then you spawn in a burning house. You click on 3 different places, then click at a small locket. You find it, and it shows a cutscene of the Demon Slayer looking at the picture of his mother, and his brother Damian.
He then, looking for revenge, comes back to the temple and fights the black mage. Then he loses the battle, and is sealed inside Leben Mine. J finds him, and takes him to the Resistance. The "promos" aren't only promos, they are cutscenes too.
The promo art you showed up shows Freud, not Evan. See the girl next to him in the first image?
As you posted an image of the player being transformed into Freud, you should also take a look at the level 70 quest for Evans.
You go to the lost cave in Rien, and then Afrien says he will show you what happened in the past. If you're a female Evan, you'll be transformed in the past Hero, the female version of Freud, that would fit the story when Mercedes is a male character.
The girl in your screenshot IS the girl Hero, meaning the other guy is the male hero. Freed's blonde, but has a light brown hair colour in that trailer, although inconsistent, Evan's hair is dark brown.
Make a new evan character, and pay attention to the cutscenes, and the images of the boy and girl. The girl has a VERY different hair compared to the first image, and the boy has a dark brown hair.
The promo image you posted shows the Hero, the master of Afrien, in both male and female forms.
Really, people should stop trying to assume things without reading, or looking at it in game. You know, those videos can be more than just random ass action for new characters.
Then why is the cash shop set that's featured in the trailer and the Evan release poster called the Evan set and not the Freed set? There's another robe that matches Freed's in the JMs cash shop and is called the Dragon Master robe.
Also, it would make no sense for Nexon to feature Freud as the main foreground image in an Evan class release poster.
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Guys, instead of looking it from the story point of view, like I think it should be seen, you are debating Freed style and hair. I'm pretty sure is Freed, and I doubt that Evan will meet Mercedes soon in the story. But perhaps Afrien calls for Mercedes and tells her of the Hero Succesor.
And now that Aslemn told that, well, maybe we didn't saw the Black Mage at all, but the hooded character in the trailer was Akyrum? Seems way more possible.
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Haseo Wrote:They've done it before. 
my post meant "why would you assume that they didn't pineapple everything up?"
I'm not even sure what I'm typing half the time.
Eliseo Wrote:Guys, instead of looking it from the story point of view, like I think it should be seen, you are debating Freed style and hair. I'm pretty sure is Freed, and I doubt that Evan will meet Mercedes soon in the story. But perhaps Afrien calls for Mercedes and tells her of the Hero Succesor.
And now that Aslemn told that, well, maybe we didn't saw the Black Mage at all, but the hooded character in the trailer was Akyrum? Seems way more possible.
Lolnope.
That was definitely the black mage.
[video=youtube;JzPn2DSgT-c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzPn2DSgT-c[/video]
DS trailer.
[video=youtube;evKAyml_5f0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evKAyml_5f0[/video]
BB trailer.
[video=youtube;OgtabSZqHP4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtabSZqHP4[/video]
Chaos trailer.
All the same thing.
Notice the rings on his hands?
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