Show me your lunchbox!

Arent we supposed to show off our lunchbox here instead of talking about math,
that I dont understand? D;

While that is true, without these pots, nobody but the rich would be training with the ultimates. HEck, the only people training would be those that are bent on leveling. Which means the other people will focus on making money, which means more monopolizing of Horntail, Zakum, and selling leech. And finally, which is unfortunate because it'll destroy the certain social structure of present-day MS.



Note though, that they didn't remove the only gold sink, they merely reduced the value of the sink.

dont you see, that's the whole damn point of an "ultimate". but the grindfest is such a race to get a higher experience rate that the only acceptable means is through a skill that was never meant to be spammed. youre right, the only people who would train are the rich. leeching would be a symbol of uber-wealth. mp eater would not be a skipped skill.

i dont know how you can possibly say the bosses are monopolized. zakum is killed so often now that i could compare zruns to prostitutes working out of a brothel. horntail is at worst a cartel like opec.

reducing the sink by a percentage is equivalent to removing it. if you notice the gdp of the us or any other country, wealth typically grows at about 1-5% per year. nexon has shifted the balance from something sane like the 1-5% to something totally out of whack reaching rates of probably 200% per year, give or take a factor of like 5. completely ridiculous!

so sorry taku, my lunchbox is a hearty 121/6. because i suck at microeconomics and precognition.

dont misquote wikipedia at me. im still right. if you want a meso sink, you must remove a meso from the economy, not just let it change hands.

applying "any amount of mesos" in scrolls does not remove mesos from the economy, only from your wallet. this removes scrolls from the economy when you use them and serves as a scroll sink. which, like stereo said, helps scroll prices inflate..

I was wrong because my example speaks to the player intrinsic value of the item not the pure mesos removed from the economy as a whole. You're right the value is only removed from the player's wallet. My apologies.

in addition, no untradable item is truely removed from the economy because you could sell your account. the fact that this is against the ToS is irrelevant because black and grey markets exist everywhere.

Actually it is. The fact that an item is untradeable means that no matter who owns the account it can never change hands. Selling/buying accounts only changes who accesses the account. The only thing you can do with that untradeable item is keep it, drop it or NPC it. This was my main point about removing the value (not mesos) of an item by making it untradeable.

lol. how long have you been playing?

Seriously? So far you've made good arguments. Don't pollute the discussion with rhetorical questions meant as an insult.

nexon did a very dumb thing a while ago, back when they released nlc.
they released the pots. that was dumb. if you want the cause of inflation today, blame the pots.

yeah, youll say "but those pots are the only pots worth buying"! exactly. because it used to have some semblance of balance. now it doesnt.
nexon decimated the only significant meso sink in the whole game.

lets say i train every day, and use 100 honsters. that costs 280k. if i were to buy reindeer milk like i had to before nlc, i would spend 540k (ugh its been so long i cant remember the price). nexon cut my pot cost in half! now lets extend this to mages... well pre-nlc, mages would buy elixirs. they got up to 8k each. mana bulls are the same 2800. nexon quartered pot costs for mages!

now lets say that across windia, maybe 5000 people train like i do every day, and 1/2 are mages nowadays. you just introduced about 2b in meso into the economy from people saving on pots instead of spending. EVERY DAY. its been like 500 days or so since nlc got released, roughly estimating. who the pineapple has 1t mesos they arent supposed to have? everybody.

did you ever wonder about inflation? if you can understand this, now you know why it happened.

I'm fully aware of the effects NLC pots have had. I don't recall ever discussing the source of this game's inflation but I agree 100% that NLC pots have had a significant impact. Combine this effect with month long double drop cards and you're introducing even more mesos.

The opposite can be seen in other versions where NLC pots are not available. You won't find ultimates being spammed day and night as they are in GMS.

it isnt because nexon introduced a scroll worth 1b. its because you spent less on pots every day. and so did everyone else.

now obviously, this example is the exact opposite of what you asked for. but in comparison, the introduction of a quest that costs 5m, mounts, guild expansions, hmm what else... gem grading! which we dont have yet! they all seem pretty insignificant in comparison because none of them have the staying power (i.e. repeatability) that halving or quartering pot costs has.

I asked for a scenario where players would purposefully use a mesos sink (i.e. buy a 100% scroll they don't need) There's no value or incentive to do so. Mesos sinks of any kind need to provide the player with some sort of perceived value or benefit. Nexon could fix the issue easily enough. Increase the NLC pot cost, remove double drop cards and introduce better mesos sinks. Plenty of traditional sinks are available such as player housing, item durability, item expiration, higher NPC fees. The gem grading system appears to be Nexon's attempt at a skill level based crafting system. We'll see what happens when GMS gets it.

the sword scrolls you complain are 1b wouldnt be more than 200m if we didnt have nlc pots. and i can be sure about that price because i can still enter the old mindset of "oh damn, im going to lose money when i train today". the new mindset of "wow, soloing pap is profitable if i npc the pots!" is vaguely satisfying, but i would happily give up a honster if nexon truely cared to deflate the economy long term.

maybe they havent noticed, or they have and are trying to play you and whet your appetite for the next facestomper, chaos scroll, scg, pac, deputy star, or ele wand X. but its a very fine balance to strike, trying to make sure net in = net out, and nlc pots have tipped the scales.

do you comprehend what i am saying? i truly want to get my point across here. because i really DO want you to stop perpetuating the crap i quoted before.

Yes I do understand. You really don't need to get so adversarial. I apologize again for the misconception of player intrinsic value versus pure mesos removed from the economy. I do stand by what I said about untradeable items. Whatever value is attached to them is removed from the economy.

And since this thread was about showing lunchboxes please PM me if you wish to discuss these points further.

In regards to the lunchbox. Anyone gotten a gm scroll lately or am I wasting my time trying to get one from nightshadow badges?

In regards to the lunchbox. Anyone gotten a gm scroll lately or am I wasting my time trying to get one from nightshadow badges?

The last gm scroll i got was on Nov. 7th. It came from Scania. As far as i know, i'm 99.99% confident that no gm scroll has been received from the exchange quest in Khaini.

It seems you can redeem badges all the time now with no limit? I just redeemed two sets of windraiders in a row.

It seems you can redeem badges all the time now with no limit? I just redeemed two sets of windraiders in a row.

thats actually been around since the cwk patch and everyone hoped nexon wouldnt notice. it seems they still havent.

I saw another GM scroll today and wondered, did anyone actually complete scrolling their lunchbox?

Also, I saw the thread about range and wondered whether the Lunchbox provides a decent range or is it just only capable of attacking monsters close to your body or something.

I saw another GM scroll today and wondered, did anyone actually complete scrolling their lunchbox?

Also, I saw the thread about range and wondered whether the Lunchbox provides a decent range or is it just only capable of attacking monsters close to your body or something.

They may come from Perion gachapon. I saw a store with a GM scroll up for 1.5bil, and the title was <3 perion gach.

They may come from Perion gachapon. I saw a store with a GM scroll up for 1.5bil, and the title was <3 perion gach.

Yea I saw that store too. 18/18 on Scania right? I walked in and it was pretty cheap considering you can probably get maxed meso for that. There's one in MTS for $1,100...

There's no confirmation that it's actually from Perion gach though. As of now, we only have screenshots telling us that it's purely from CWK exchange...

Still looking for someone with a maxed scrolled one.

Yea I saw that store too. 18/18 on Scania right? I walked in and it was pretty cheap considering you can probably get maxed meso for that. There's one in MTS for $1,100...

There's no confirmation that it's actually from Perion gach though. As of now, we only have screenshots telling us that it's purely from CWK exchange...

Still looking for someone with a maxed scrolled one.

Probably not max meso, c/o on it was only 800m as of today lol. My friend axethehero got a scroll for his last slot a week ago for 1,333,333,337 mesos.
I'd like to see a perfect LB too, and a range would be even nicer

Also, I saw the thread about range and wondered whether the Lunchbox provides a decent range or is it just only capable of attacking monsters close to your body or something.

Any weapon used with brandish is forced to have the same range. So there's really no worries for heroes. Only paladins have to worry about the icky one-handed range. Having never tried Blast/ACB I can't comment on that.

I saw another GM scroll today and wondered, did anyone actually complete scrolling their lunchbox?

Also, I saw the thread about range and wondered whether the Lunchbox provides a decent range or is it just only capable of attacking monsters close to your body or something.

you probiably saw my failure crystal blade tread lol.. and ehm well for heroes the length of a sword doesnt matter much because brandish has a set range, which is a pretty long range, longer then a 2h sword's powerstrike etc..
the only attack where lunchbox' short ranges is a problem is finishers like coma and panic, because they dont have a set long range and you have to be close to a monster to land a finishers.. but finishers are kind of outdated and nobody really uses them anymore...

that's how it is for heroes, paladins dont have brandish ofcourse so yes for paladins lunchbox short rangs is a huge problem and also the main reason why then dont use them as much.

I have yet to see a single GM scroll in Windia. Not that I have a lunchbox anyways... Does that quest still give GM scrolls?

gratz on 6/7 shawn :3

edit: this is mine so far :S

 Spoiler

I saw 2 in Scania for only 1B each.
Probably world xferred since I see other items in the shop that are inflated in Scania.

That Shawn, is truly godly =[ Wish we had that money (Coen, you're doing great =D )

...

that's how it is for heroes, paladins dont have brandish ofcourse so yes for paladins lunchbox short rangs is a huge problem and also the main reason why then dont use them as much.

Not to mention you have to jump to hit Pianus if you're using a 1h sword Blast >_> Utterly terrible... (not true with long 2h swords, but I'm not sure about the rest)

Personally I wouldn't object to using a LB + watk Shield combo for bosses if I decided that conserving HP pots isn't an issue, or if I think I can pull off avoiding touch damage.

Finished mine last week. Last gm scroll was xferred from scania and i traded items for it, the seller's mule was later server changed to wherever it came from.