Nexon: "Mechanic is a well-balanced class"

They meant well-rounded >_>

Is there even a difference between that and well-balanced? o.o Lol.

Is there even a difference between that and well-balanced? o.o Lol.

Well-rounded means the class can do a little bit of everything, but doesn't always mean powerful. Well-balanced means how equal the class is to other classes in terms of power only, not caring if they can only do one thing/role, or over 9000 things/roles.

Well-rounded in this game's case can be Shadowers or Paladins because they in a way have a little of everything. They are tough/strong/self-heal/good mob skills/good single target skills/can stun/party skills/ranged attacks/melee attacks. However, Paladins can be seen as overpowered since their party skills make them very wanted for boss runs and can virtually never die. Shadowers are more balaned in the sense they are roughly in the middle. There isn't anything that makes them truly stand out like a Paladin does that can be exploitable.

Well-balanced may be Dark Knights, they aren't completely OPed in any way, but they aren't weak either. Nothing makes them stand out, like say a Mechanic.

You guys may never know.
Nexon might make some type of personal nerf or something. :l

WHICH IS A GOOD THING, IF THAT HAPPENS.

Just to point it out, the Potential system does favor some classes over others. For example, Warriors and Theives are favored over Bowman, Pirates, and Mages, because the first two classes have high level tops/bottoms and the later three dont. There are some common equipment options, but they are often rare and expensive. Then of course on 1h users that can use shields are favored over 2h users.

To some the difference is slight, but it is a difference.

What you're actually saying here is that Mechanics are even MORE broken and unbalanced.

How do I get to that? Well, if they get screwed by having less potential gear because they are stuck in overalls, and yet they are still way too overpowered...imagine if they had another 27% stat equip on them.

They meant well-rounded >_>

Is this something NexonNA said? I don't really pay attention to anything they say, so I don't know exactly where the quote came from.

If NexonNA said it then...lol...they can't even say what they want to the community without screwing up.

Don't be so serious,Nexon only wanna make a little joke.

they are still way too overpowered...

We didn't even get Mechanics yet. How can we be so sure they are THAT overpowered?

Also, their damage get nerfed on the reorganization/Chaos patch. Just sit back and watch

We didn't even get Mechanics yet. How can we be so sure they are THAT overpowered?

Also, their damage get nerfed on the reorganization/Chaos patch. Just sit back and watch

Read the whole thread, then edit that post.

We've videos on this thread of Post-Chaos Mechs still being completely broken.

The only significant thing that got nerfed was drill rush atomic hammer pretty much all of their summons and the lazor. They're still really awesome.

Well-rounded means the class can do a little bit of everything, but doesn't always mean powerful. Well-balanced means how equal the class is to other classes in terms of power only, not caring if they can only do one thing/role, or over 9000 things/roles.

...They don't say anything about other classes and how Mechanics compare to them. Well-rounded and well-balanced basically mean the same thing. Like someone said in the beginning of the thread, they are a well-balanced class because they have a giant array of skills for all sorts of situations and types of combat.

Read the whole thread, then edit that post.

We've videos on this thread of Post-Chaos Mechs still being completely broken.

Yeah, 8~18 secs vids about Mechanics solo'ing Pap. GREAT amount of information. Obviously those Mech couldn't solo Pap so fast if it wasn't for all those summons doing 1/3 of the job, but they didn't count the time they needed to place them, so we can really consider those solo times "legit".

Also, we don't know how godly funded those Mechanics were and we don't have any videos of other classes solo'ing Papulatus to make the comparison. For example, if we gave the lvl 181 Mechanic equips to a lvl 181 Corsair with the same AP build, how fast would the Corsair solo Pap? Probably faster than the Mechanic IF you consider the time taken to place all those robot summons.

All information we really have about Mechanics is that they look powerful. How much? No idea.

The only significant thing that got nerfed was drill rush atomic hammer pretty much all of their summons and the lazor. They're still really awesome.

Iirc:

"Extreme Mech" lost 10 Wattk
"Mech: Missile Tank" basic attack damage lost 10% damage (110%x6 -> 100%x6) and critical rate (30%->20%)
Siege Mode[2] is 5% weaker (100% damage -> 95%)

They nerfed like... 15~20% (depends on how much Wattk the Mechanic has) of Mechanics 4th job damage?

Yeah, 8~18 secs vids about Mechanics solo'ing Pap. GREAT amount of information. Obviously those Mech couldn't solo Pap so fast if it wasn't for all those summons doing 1/3 of the job, but they didn't count the time they needed to place them, so we can really consider those solo times "legit".

Also, we don't know how godly funded those Mechanics were and we don't have any videos of other classes solo'ing Papulatus to make the comparison. For example, if we gave the lvl 181 Mechanic equips to a lvl 181 Corsair with the same AP build, how fast would the Corsair solo Pap? Probably faster than the Mechanic IF you consider the time taken to place all those robot summons.

All information we really have about Mechanics is that they look powerful. How much? No idea.

If you read the ENTIRE thread, instead of just watching the videos....you'd understand the point. But you're not reading the thread, or if you are, you're not understanding the point. I'm not repeating myself, go READ it now.

ITT: Someone not getting that Mechanic nerfs still left them a step above most other mobbing classes.

They probably didn't mean balance in terms of comparing them to other classes...

...They don't say anything about other classes and how Mechanics compare to them. Well-rounded and well-balanced basically mean the same thing. Like someone said in the beginning of the thread, they are a well-balanced class because they have a giant array of skills for all sorts of situations and types of combat.

xD That's exactly how nexon is thinking of it. They think well balanced = well rounded, but the video game players think otherwise.

"Balance", in a multiplayer- multi class game, is how the classes relate to each other in terms of damage, mobility, game skills, etc. Not in terms of utility. Video game balance = nothing does extreme amounts of damage and such, such that it makes all other classes inferior.

The problem in this thread, is that people are arguing over the definitions and supplying their supports for their arguments (or lack thereof).

ITT: Someone not getting that Mechanic nerfs still left them a step above most other mobbing classes.

Aye true, but it'll be some time before those nerfs get here...

They probably didn't mean balance in terms of comparing them to other classes...

I'm pretty sure everyone gets that, I even said that at page 1. It doesnt make the sentence less funny than it is.

Like people really care what Nexon says about mechanics lol and how "balanced" it is. Besides, it's not like Nexon America developed the class anyway, they're releasing it as is, and we already know what to expect so whatever if they call it balanced. Should they instead say "our next class is an extremely powerful juggernaut that will overpower all currently released classes"? Eventually it will be balanced, and after reading the actual details of the nerf compared to how insane the class was before, I'm annoyed at the people who are so upset that their insanely broken class is 20% less broken now.

Like people really care what Nexon says about mechanics lol and how "balanced" it is. Besides, it's not like Nexon America developed the class anyway, they're releasing it as is, and we already know what to expect so whatever if they call it balanced. Should they instead say "our next class is an extremely powerful juggernaut that will overpower all currently released classes"? Eventually it will be balanced, and after reading the actual details of the nerf compared to how insane the class was before, I'm annoyed at the people who are so upset that their insanely broken class is 20% less broken now.

As far as I know, they will be balanced in terms of training, but bossing? Videos say no.

Why we all acting like we don't need this class to make PB and later on the queen thingymajig easier?

Why we all acting like we don't need this class to make PB and later on the queen thingymajig easier?

Because we are not gonna do very good at big bosses, if we don't have the right buffs. If people start making just resistance or DB characters, we are doomed.

Every class is useful at bosses. Well... outside AMs of course.