Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

Well, that is a big reveal. That puts Kyrastri as mafia, lying about you and just parroting what Holypie said since he knows who is not mafia. Of, we woun't know 100% unless you die and we see what your are (it could be a trick to make us kill the cop), but since you are likely going to die anyways.

This also makes me a bit more suspicious of Khaini. He supported Kyrastri and wanted to lynch Holypie instead, which would make sense if he was mafia. He was also for lynching Meta to see if he was telling the truth, then Words, until I pointed out the other way made more sense. I guess we will see with tonight's deaths. If CJ is a worm, that would mean Holypie is the cop, Kyrastri is mafia, and possibly anyone that spported him over Holypie (Like Khaini).

So, how is a worm on the "good APPLE" side? Doesn't seem like you'd be just a regular vanilla town (or Named Townie) with that for flavor. I understand casting doubt on our two detective situation, but you are not in the best position of trust for your claim. I maintain my position of lynching you today as I think you are still more scummy than not.

Edit: I feel implicating myself in my beliefs may come back to bite me in the ass, but pineapple being passive.

Since I am most likely going to die, I do want to set up the town for a victory.

Kyrastri is mafia and is lying about investigating me and Olsi. The reason I know this is because I am not an apple, I am a Worm. This is the reason I was going with the apple theory.

Under this condition it would also put a spotlight on Shidoshi for mafia being the only McIntosh to side with Kyrsatri.

This also clears Holypie since the town needs 1 detective. Also didn't anyone find it strange that the town have 2 detectives, a watcher, and a role blocker. That is a bit overpowered.

CakesXD is possibly the Cider or 2nd Granny Smith mafia.

The robin that I have been hinting at will probably kill me anyways so it doesn't matter since I will be dead tonight.

I could also be totally wrong about Kyrastri, but she says that I am an apple when I am not is a bit strange.

Anyway since it doesn't really matter and no one will listen to me anyway...I will [vote]CakesXD

I have one big question about all of this: why do you act like there's a robin killer when the non-mafia killer is likely you? Birds don't eat apples, but worms do. You also hinted at there being a neutral, so are you neutral or not?

So, how is a worm on the "good APPLE" side? Doesn't seem like you'd be just a regular vanilla town (or Named Townie) with that for flavor. I understand casting doubt on our two detective situation, but you are not in the best position of trust for your claim. I maintain my position of lynching you today as I think you are still more scummy than not.

Edit: I feel implicating myself in my beliefs may come back to bite me in the ass, but pineapple being passive.

I was going to claim doctor and since I am bulletproof to mafia it would have helped the town, but KhainiWest was confident that he is doctor.

About TheBirds, I actually think he is powerless and a waste a vote since Maspan basically confirmed a townie with his post.

I was actually hoping to wait one more night to see Kyrastri's actions before coming to this conclusion because yes, it is hard to believe, but there skill going to be two killer tonight.

To BTA Robins do eat apples, especially if they are clipped from the tree and in small pieces.

I may not be able to post since I will be out. Here are my notes: [Note:Some of the information is old and unproven, but it may help.]

 Spoiler

I think lynching Words would be the best option, but I do find it hard to believe that Words is mafia because of how easily he was put in danger on day 1. I could have just as easily voted for Words after Shidoshi voted for me-although most people were not active at the cut off time, so I may have picked the wrong person yesterday. Maybe I am just being paranoid, or possibly just missing something since we are still pretty early in the game. It is possible the mafia are playing reckless...

I am also not sure what is up with Holypie and Polantaris

1. Corn; - ?? - ?
2. Niernen; ; - Hardcore Hal - GrannySmith
3. VerrKol; ; - Sour Sheila - GrannySmith
4. Shidoshi; ; - Ruby Red - McIntosh Apple
5. ChaoticCJ; ; - Mealy Mel - ?
6. Polantaris; ; - Ricky Rojo - McIntosh
7. LuvDWayULie; ; - Goldy Goodwife - Golden
8. Words; ; - Godmother Smith - GrannySmith
9. xBTAx; ; - Caramel Carl - GrannySmith
10. Kyrastri; ; - Gilded Gilly - Golden
11. TheBirds; ; - ?? - ?
12. y0y0y0y0shi0; ; - Crabapple Craig - McIntosh
13. z0mgc00k13; ; faonkarino - Seedy Stam - Golden
14. Sega; ; - Green Gendry - GrannySmith
15. KhainiWest; ; - Ruffalo - ???
16. Holypie; ; - Merry Mac -McIntosh
17. Olsi;v; - ?? - Apple (Cop Confirmation)
18. MetaSeraphim; ; - Barney Brewster - Cider
19. CakesXD; ; - Johnny Red - ??

I am still going off of my apple theory, but it led me to this:
Mealy Mel, Gilded Gilly, Goldy Goodwife, Merry Mac, Sour Sheila, Barney Brewster all has something in common… while Godmother Smith and Johnny Red have something in common. Perhaps it is my paranoid nature, but it seems like a better clue than what we have now.
I am still not entirely convinced KhainiWest is the doctor. There are two other player who have hinted toward being the doctor. The only thing is that KhainiWest seem to be about 75% town, but with a 33% chance of being the doctor. The only thing that keeps me from saying that you are 100% town is that if everyone has been truthful about their name it is possible you are Ruffalo Robin(or Robin Ruffalo). I think it was Niernen(I can’t remember for sure and it’s late) who said something about a Robin and the flavor indicates the same.
Oh, I also keep forgetting to ask. Holypie, and Kyrastri would either of your abilities indicate if someone did something at night? The only reason I am asking is because Kyrastri’s abilities seemed to have changed from one night to the next and I was wondering if it had to do with if a person decides to use an ability at night. The reason I am asking is because if Olsi knew he was going to be targeted, it would be smart to do nothing the night he was investigated. I may be wrong; I am just not sure how either of your abilities works. [I am mostly just curious for the sake of information and statistics.]


Edit: This is just an idea, and it does hold that Words is mafia, although even if he isn't the strategy doesn't change much.

So the way I understand it is that we have at least two killers, and Meta blocked Words and got the confirmation of mafia from that.
This does seem to be a very ability-based game, with around seven to ten apples/people with abilities left.

I do find it interesting, there was a huge target on me on day 1 and on night 1 yoshi dies. Then on day two Verrkol votes for Kyrastri and he dies the next day. The same day we find
Corn – Has been rather quiet.
Niernen – Hard to say
Shidoshi – Mayor // The snipe at the end makes Shidoshi suspicious
ChaoticCJ – Confirmed town
Polantaris -
LuvDWayULie -
xBTAx -
Kyrastri - Detective
TheBirds -
faonkarino -
KhainiWest -
Holypie - Detective
Olsi - Confirmed town
CakesXD -

The conclusion is obvious - someone or something has killed MetaSeraphim

This is why I think we have two cops. I think there may be things other than apples at work here. Given the way Holypie and Kyrastri have described the information they have gotten also points to this possibility.


I have been thinking the whole Kyrastri as mafia thing as well. We need one detective, so under this assumption, Holypie is town. If Kyrastri was mafia that would mean she totally guessed what I am or that I am mafia.
- If I was mafia why in the world would I even let my fellow mafia go after Yoshi…oh wait, that wasn’t the mafia because Meta stopped the mafia kill. It is also possible that Meta bus drove to Yoshi on random. This leaves us in the same place of only accusing me of being mafia because I seem scum-like.
- If I am not mafia and Kyrastri is that puts major suspicion on the group of four. This is actually a good move on the mafia’s part, because that means we waste a lynch on a cop. Two more townie die. Another lynch on me, and another two townies die. Even then, another lynch on the other cop. With another two players dead. This would result in 8 townie dead with a total of 12 townies down and those numbers are don’t look good for the town.

This would specifically leave Meta open for a kill and we all knew that one of the cops was going to die.



If everyone is telling the truth with their abilities it wouldn’t surprise me for the mafia to have a bus driver or vote controller/blocker/doubled. Given this information I would suspect

along with me had the last two votes of Day 1. I still believe that the “useless” vote was a double vote and would have killed me if I didn’t vote for Sega.





If the town choices to lynch me, so be it-but I would ask you to consider the facts:
- If I was mafia, why would I want to kill Yoshi? It would only bring suspicion to me, which is what the kill did.
- While I did vote for Sega, I still do believe it was to save myself.











Are we really going to entertain the idea that there are mafia among the confirmed and waste two days and possibly six townie (10 total) and leave the last 9 players with probably three to four mafia to lynch based on guesses? There are better targets we should be looking at.

Let us move on.

Out of all of the players left- KhainiWest, and TheBirds/Corn are the most suspicious to me.

KhainiWest’s first intention was to kill Meta and test Words “again” at the time with the other two cops. This looks really suspicious right now, knowing that Words would have appeared innocent and only after Niernen and Meta posted-KhainiWest then threw Words under the bus. Although now KhainiWest is claiming that he “led” us to the mafia when it was Meta who made the sacrifice and KhainiWest was left to ride the wave of voting for Words to seem innocent. KhainiWest also specifically told the doctor to protect Kyrastri then said the doctor didn’t do their job (purposely leaving Meta open for a kill). The whole voting for Holypie today is also strange. The doctor claim is not unexpected as if he was mafia they would want to get the doctor to claim.

TheBirds…honestly…TheBirds has not said much, so it seems really suspicious. Corn is in a similar situation, but to me less suspicious because he has at least been participating.

Shidoshi - Whether or not Shidoshi is town is out of my view because I am obviously biased.

CakesXD, Polantaris, xBTAx, Niernen, and LuvDWayULie, all seem innocent-for different reasons but in general there are others who are more suspicious.
I trust Kyrastri and Holypie right now, and in the same boat is Olsi since even if there is a mafia cop they can’t both be wrong.
Faonkarino is a bit hard to read because of the late entry…

Right now I am leaning toward KhainiWest and TheBirds. It just seems strange that KhainiWest wanted to kill Meta and test again.




This is my chart for now:
Under the assumption the player is mafia…
Corn – ChaoticCJ/Holypie(Voted for Sega to save Words)
Niernen – KhainiWest(Day 1 interaction)
Shidoshi – ChaoticCJ(Both protected Words on Day 1)
ChaoticCJ – Shidoshi(Protected Words) Kyrastri (Protected ChaoticCJ)
Polantaris - CakesXD(Avoiding)
LuvDWayULie – KhainiWest(using Holypie as a shield) CakesXD (don’t call out)
xBTAx - KhainiWest/ChaoticCJ(Tenative List)
Kyrastri - KhainiWest(had doctor protect her) ChaoticCJ(vouched)
TheBirds - (Silent[No support])
faonkarino - [New] [Possible Neutral]
KhainiWest - Kyrastri (Helped protect her to get rid of Meta)
Holypie - Olsi(One would have to be busdriver) Shidoshi/LuvDWayULie(Voted on day 1)
Olsi - Holypie(One would have to be busdriver)
CakesXD - Shidoshi/Kyrastri(Keep bringing Cakes up)



I really don't know how to defend myself. I don't deny I have had a huge target on my back for a while: The strange death of Yoshi is the only thing I can really point to in order to defend myself. If I was mafia why would I go after Yoshi(or ask my team to go after Yoshi)? I can only ask you to consider that the obvious target on me is a bit too obvious and allow Holypie to check on me.

I am not sure what is up with TheBirds...

I want to trust KhainiWest, but I have the same concerns as LuvDWayULie...

These are my notes on K


KhainiWest(1): LuvDWayULie
Holypie [1]:KhainiWest
TheBirds [3]:xBTAx,TheBirds,Corn, Niernen
ChaoticCJ[2]:Shidoshi,Holypie
Shidoshi (1): Faonkarino

I read over this stuff briefly while on the bus so here's some notes. I dont have any exams until monday so I will be able to be a bit more talkative now. As for the whole ordeal with CJ, he seems to be getting really defensive now, I guess its with good reason since he is being voted by some, but didnt holypie say you were a green apple not a worm?

I appear to have misread something as implying that I gave out information unintentionally. My bad.

I read over this stuff briefly while on the bus so here's some notes. I dont have any exams until monday so I will be able to be a bit more talkative now. As for the whole ordeal with CJ, he seems to be getting really defensive now, I guess its with good reason since he is being voted by some, but didnt holypie say you were a green apple not a worm?

It was Kyrastri who said I was green and an apple. The apple is not true, I don't know about being green or since my roles doesn't state my color.

It was Kyrastri who said I was green and an apple. The apple is not true, I don't know about being green or since my roles doesn't state my color.

What does your role state, then?

What does your role state, then?

I am a worm, who the mafia can't kill(I assume they are scared of me), and there is a robin who is looking for me.

That is the basic of it.

That is all since I have to go, so may the best side win. I suggest everyone go back and read all the days again since everyone's information is in there.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]As you all murmur amongst yourselves, preparing to lynch some of the louder, more abrasive apples, a thought occurs to a few of you - none of you had ever actually SEEN [MENTION=3195]ChaoticCJ[/MENTION];. You all knew his voice, and nobody had paid any mind, but you begin to realize that nobody could attribute it to any particular apple.

A large mealworm comes into view and begins speaking in the voice you had assumed belonged to one of your kind. Even the worst of the bad apples amongst you fear being eaten by his species - it's a slow and painful death.

ChaoticCJ begins talking to you all, attempting to explain that he had only the interest of the good apples at heart. He goes on about various apples on the tree, mocking you all...and never noticing the hungry robin perched on the branch behind him, slowly hopping his way...

You are Mealy Mel.

You are the worm. You love munching your way through apples, leaving them fouled and worthless. You win by being the last player alive, or by being alive when all of the Good Apples are dead. You have several abilities to help accomplish this.

1. The mafia cannot kill you at night.
2. During the night, beginning with Night 1, you may select a player to begin eating by sending me a PM with [Eat] Target. They will begin feeling sick the next day, and on the day after they will die and you will be free to choose a new target that Night. You control the vote of the affected player until they die, but the process of influencing your victim to accomplish this is lengthy, so you must choose the vote target the same night that you choose your victim by saying [Vote] Target2. You cannot have your target vote for themselves.
3. Beware the robin.

It is now Night 3. Night 3 will end at noon PST on the 21st (Saturday).[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#cc8899"]You awake in the early dawn to a ripping crunch. Sleepily looking around, you all locate the source of the sound as [MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]; 's now bifurcated body falls to either side of the branch, his fedora flying away in the breeze. It takes several minutes for everyone to calm down, and longer still to realize that nobody had seen the killer. A sad silence falls upon the tree.

You are Merry Mac, a McIntosh apple. You are a detective, sworn to investigate when something is amiss. Once per Night, beginning with Night 1, you may send me a PM with [Investigate]Target to search for clues to their identity. You win if all threats to the tree are eliminated.

It is now Day 4. Day 4 will end at 5pm PST on Monday the 23rd of June to compensate for the delayed start. After that times will return to normal. [/COLOR]

Well, this looks like pomegranate for me.

I never got a chance to remove my vote from Holypie yesterday because I went to bed after I posted. The two reasons I voted for him in the first place were to: A) Get reactions from him. No one had even looked at him in a while (except Khaini, iirc, for terrible reasons), and B) Because I knew he'd never get lynched without doing something ridiculously terrible in his responses. I wanted to know how he'd react to a more logical argument against him.

Almost expected to be dead tonight, so I'm gonna do that promised lookover of the other days tonight while I have nothing to do. I'll post more then.

Well, this looks like pomegranate for me.

I never got a chance to remove my vote from Holypie yesterday because I went to bed after I posted. The two reasons I voted for him in the first place were to: A) Get reactions from him. No one had even looked at him in a while (except Khaini, iirc, for terrible reasons), and B) Because I knew he'd never get lynched without doing something ridiculously terrible in his responses. I wanted to know how he'd react to a more logical argument against him.

Almost expected to be dead tonight, so I'm gonna do that promised lookover of the other days tonight while I have nothing to do. I'll post more then.

[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION];

Dude, you don't look nearly bad as I do. I got misleading information on the first night; VerrKol/Meta (can't remember which one was green VerrKol was a granny smith) was likely being eaten by Chaotic, so I saw Chaotic as a green apple because he was already being eaten. It also explains the lack of alignment information I got, since Chaoti is neutral and especially since I got a hit today.

You've been on the more helpful side so I don't think you're very scummy.

[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION];. I knew you weren't getting anywhere, and now I've confirmed why.

[Vote] LuvDWayULie

Ironically your SP user is befitting for your past actions.

My eating theory is just that- a theory. I have no conclusive evidence but the thought that the mafia would target Verr instead of Meta sounds stupid to me. I am more than happy to be lynched because of my misleading information on Chaotic now that I've confirmed a mafia (thanks [MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION]; you sealed the deal for me to investigate him). That mistake will naturally cast suspicion on me, so like I said yesterday, once my innocence has been proven I hope you won't think twice about what I've said so far.

Edit2: [MENTION=6616]Olsi[/MENTION]; I was the one who investigated Chaotic initially. Holy investigated y0y0.

And I'm sorry [MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]; that I ever doubted you Q n Q I can't believe I actually entertained the thought of you being mafia...

And flavour pm posting time~

Something didn't seem right when I investigated LuvDWayULie. Every movement, every action he took deepened my suspicion. When I walked away I felt like I could only draw one conclusion: "Luv is a bad, BAAAAAAAD Apple."

I left the last part unchanged, but the rest were person changes, tense changes and a little bit of rewording.

Dont vote for Luv that would be stupid vote for the bird. [Vote]TheBirds

Dont vote for Luv that would be stupid vote for the bird. [Vote]TheBirds

You need to tell us why you want us to vote for you if you want that to happen.

[Vote] LuvDWayULie

I believe I striked out my vote for holypie, and yes the vote was out of frustration of him not listening to me, I won't lie about that. I'm convinced luvD is mafia, any person who is guilty will attempt to look innocent by acting "better" than to try to justify themselves. I suggest you all do the same.

Current Votes:
LuvDWayULie(2): Kyrastri, KhainiWest
TheBirds(1): TheBirds

[MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; If anyone wants to take your suggestion seriously I suggest you tell us something more than just that it'll be "awesome".

Niernen;

Dude, you don't look nearly bad as I do. I got misleading information on the first night; VerrKol/Meta (can't remember which one was green VerrKol was a granny smith) was likely being eaten by Chaotic, so I saw Chaotic as a green apple because he was already being eaten. It also explains the lack of alignment information I got, since Chaoti is neutral and especially since I got a hit today.

You've been on the more helpful side so I don't think you're very scummy.

LuvDWayULie;. I knew you weren't getting anywhere, and now I've confirmed why.

[Vote] LuvDWayULie

Ironically your SP user is befitting for your past actions.

My eating theory is just that- a theory. I have no conclusive evidence but the thought that the mafia would target Verr instead of Meta sounds stupid to me. I am more than happy to be lynched because of my misleading information on Chaotic now that I've confirmed a mafia (thanks KhainiWest; you sealed the deal for me to investigate him). That mistake will naturally cast suspicion on me, so like I said yesterday, once my innocence has been proven I hope you won't think twice about what I've said so far.

Edit2: Olsi; I was the one who investigated Chaotic initially. Holy investigated y0y0.

And I'm sorry Holypie; that I ever doubted you Q n Q I can't believe I actually entertained the thought of you being mafia...

And flavour pm posting time~

Something didn't seem right when I investigated LuvDWayULie. Every movement, every action he took deepened my suspicion. When I walked away I felt like I could only draw one conclusion: "Luv is a bad, BAAAAAAAD Apple."

I left the last part unchanged, but the rest were person changes, tense changes and a little bit of rewording.

Wow, why am I not surprised that the next day, one of the cops decide to push me as a mafia member?

It is in fact, YOU, are the mafia member. My theory of two cops, one being a mafia member is right! I've suspected Holypie because of his usage of words which I did not like, and I did not suspect you. Now, I can see that who is the true mafia member is.

I have a feeling that Kyra + Khaini are both mafia members, but one pretending to be a cop, and the other a doctor.

I know that Holypie must have investigated on me, and he should know that I'm not the mafia member. But because he is killed now, I have no proof (except my PM of course) that I'm not the mafia member!

Kyra is really lying, but I have no evidence to back up, but really, I'm not a mafia member, and I hope you guys will think twice before making a decision.

Therefore, [Vote] Kyrastri

This is not OMGUS, nor it is self-defense. This time, it's based on pure logic that Kyra just wants to pull me down and treat me as a mafia member, when in fact, she is one herself!

@Polantaris, I believe you're not going to be lynched today, but me. The feeling is there.

[EDIT]
I'm more surprised now that Kyrastri can cook up a story ("You're a bad, BAAAAADDDD apple") just like that. Wow, just unbelievably creative. New way to lynch an apple.

Sorry Town, but my time is almost up, if the votes stay like this. But I believe you could do better without suspecting me all the time if I get lynched I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the sake of the Town.

I find CJ not just outright admitting he was a neutral/killer weird given that there was almost no chance we were going to change who got lynched, but whatever.

At this point... I've got nothing. I'm suspicious of just about everyone and my own results aren't helping much, so... I'm going to join in and [Vote] LuvDWayULie. I don't see another viable choice at the moment and what I said yesterday is still true.

Wow, why am I not surprised that the next day, one of the cops decide to push me as a mafia member?

Why am I not surprised that you're going to bundle Khaini and I in baseless accusation? You're accusing both the remaining cop and the doctor to try and get them both lynched. Perfect scenario for you, I'd imagine, if we both were killed.

The only reason why I investigated you was because you dismissed Khaini's help towards the town. He pushed the Words lynch, while you were wiffle waffling (sorry just wanted to use that phrase ) all over the shop being indecisive. I suggested Holy investigate one of three people, and the only reason why I chose you over Khaini was because your arguments were much more feeble.

It is in fact, YOU, are the mafia member. My theory of two cops, one being a mafia member is right! I've suspected Holypie because of his usage of words which I did not like, and I did not suspect you. Now, I can see that who is the true mafia member is.

More baseless accusations around circular logic. Your theory had no basis for proving anything, and until I see some proof, I'm not even going to bother trying to refute that. No point refuting something that has a lack of evidence to support it.

I have a feeling that Kyra + Khaini are both mafia members, but one pretending to be a cop, and the other a doctor.

I have no reason to entice you not to vote for me. If, no, when I am lynched, we will see the truth. And you will be in the the deep end regardless.

I know that Holypie must have investigated on me, and he should know that I'm not the mafia member. But because he is killed now, I have no proof (except my PM of course) that I'm not the mafia member!

Who in their right mind is going to believe "I'm not a mafia member!" If we could all say that, we wouldn't be playing the game, now would we? Why would you believe that Holypie "must have" investigated you if you were not already suspicious? Why are you trying to bring the dead back to life?

Kyra is really lying, but I have no evidence to back up, but really, I'm not a mafia member, and I hope you guys will think twice before making a decision.

Oh wow, more baseless accusations.

Therefore, [Vote] Kyrastri

This is not OMGUS, nor it is self-defense. This time, it's based on pure logic that Kyra just wants to pull me down and treat me as a mafia member, when in fact, she is one herself!

"Not an OMGUS", then claims that baseless accusations are "pure logic" when he himself admits he has no evidence against it.

I honestly hope I'm not going to fall to that.

I'm more surprised now that Kyrastri can cook up a story ("You're a bad, BAAAAADDDD apple") just like that. Wow, just unbelievably creative. New way to lynch an apple.

Now you're just attacking me.

I'm done refuting myself against you. I, like you, am more than happy to die for the town because I am innocent, and I have evidence against you. No matter what, you will be lynched, and whether it will be today, or tomorrow, I'm happy that I got a mafia out.

The fact is this, people. Either you all believe me, and a guilty Luv is lynched today, or I will be lynched, my innocence proven and Luv lynched tomorrow.

EDIT: Also, sorry if I sounded particularly aggressive, I got really into it ._. I mean nothing against you as a person, but as an apple... well, you know my stance