Knight of Cygnus: Soul Master

Regarding Brandish+FA;
Single target Brandish %DPS is 1440%.
With FA, that's 1483.78%. Or, basically 1.03x damage in exchange for 30 second job SP.

where did these numbers come from? i get about 994% per brandish from 2.3*1.8*1.2*2. assuming a boostered fast4 speed like any normal speed 2h user will have gives 1380% dps. faster3 is 1505% dps. neither of those is 1440%.

where did these numbers come from? i get about 994% per brandish from 2.3*1.8*1.2*2. assuming a boostered fast4 speed like any normal speed 2h user will have gives 1380% dps. faster3 is 1505% dps. neither of those is 1440%.

Uhh. 230%*1.8*1.2*2/690ms = 1440%. Faster 3.
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3217

The results are similar for Fast 4 as well.

I guess I worded that sentence badly. I didn’t mean get no mastery at all. I meant getting 21 soul blade is more important than simply maxing out mastery first.

I don't really get that. The biggest flaw in warriors up until 35-36 is their low hits. .

I really wouldn’t worry about having low hits considering you have a possible 20 W. ATK bonus from the blessing skill combined with the extra AP and the fact that soul blade is stronger than slash blast. It shouldn't limit your training.

Slast Blast is perfectly acceptable as a mob attack, it's what every other warrior class uses all the way up to their 70s and what Crusaders and White Knights use all the way up to their 120s. .

But this is a Soul Master and not a WK/Crusader. A 2nd job soul master plays nothing like a normal second job warrior.

Lack of mastery prevents you from training as efficiently due to the chance that it may take you 5+ hits to kill whatever you're training on when you're unlucky enough to get low hits.

I trained just fine without max mastery and soul blade. Faster than I would have with slash blast.

The only reason I think Soul Runner is more important than mastery first is due to the improved movement it allows you. And movement is the only thing I'd sacrifice Mastery for that early in 2nd job. Being able to get to monsters faster makes it worthwhile.

Why bother travelling to the monsters when you can hit them at a distance with soul blade.

but the low hits are one of the first things I want to get rid of. I may yet sacrifice one or two points in Soul Runner to get Mastery even earlier. Won't know for sure until I'm actually playing as it though.

If you want soul runner then it’s an all or nothing skill. The distance in early levels is pathetic and the Mp consumption is ridiculous. You should max it out or not put any points in it at all untill later levels.

is it really? i thought the most critical thing for warriors was that stupid minimum of 40 damage. you already have a skill that hits 130% to 6. you dont need to replace it that early.

I think you are really under estimating soul blade. It has a horizontal and vertical range you could only dream for with slash blast. It lets you train effectively on maps normal warriors can’t.

Can you explain where you got the brandish + FA numbers from?

Uhh. 230%*1.8*1.2*2/690ms = 1440%. Faster 3.
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3217

The results are similar for Fast 4 as well.

didnt notice brandish is 30 ms slower than everything else -_-;;; ty

@Kriov: Well as you've played one and I haven't, you have the advantage of experience. However I'm still not completely convinced. Exactly how much faster did you train with it? 10% an hour faster? 20%? Or was it merely 1% or 2%? If it's only a small amount faster, I think Mastery first will still be what most people do as that's the conventional wisdom for warriors. Also, I'm curious as to which maps did you use that are "ineffective" with regular 2nd job warriors?

So does your suggestion about Soul Blade mean you should get that 21 before any other skills? Like so:

Level 30: 1 Soul Blade (1)
Level 31: 3 Soul Blade (4)
Level 32: 3 Soul Blade (7)
Level 33: 3 Soul Blade (10)
Level 34: 3 Soul Blade (13)
Level 35: 3 Soul Blade (16)
Level 36: 3 Soul Blade (19)
Level 37: 2 Soul Blade (21); 1 Sword Mastery (1)
Level 38: 3 Sword Mastery (4)
Level 39: 3 Sword Mastery (7)
Level 40: 3 Sword Mastery (10)
Level 41: 3 Sword Mastery (13)
Level 42: 3 Sword Mastery (16)
Level 43: 3 Sword Mastery (19)
Level 44: 3 Soul Runner (3)
Level 45: 3 Soul Runner (6)
Level 46: 3 Soul Runner (9)
Level 47: 1 Soul Runner (10); 2 Soul Blade (23)
Level 48: 3 Soul Blade (26)
Level 49: 3 Soul Blade (29)
Level 50: 1 Soul Blade (30); 2 Sword Booster (2)
Level 51: 3 Sword Booster (5)
Level 52: 1 Sword Booster (6); 2 Rage (2)
Level 53: 3 Rage (5)
Level 54: 3 Rage (8)
Level 55: 3 Rage (11)
Level 56: 3 Rage (14)
Level 57: 3 Rage (17)
Level 58: 3 Rage (MAX)
Level 59: 3 Sword Booster (9)
Level 60: 3 Sword Booster (12)

You can probably switch around Mastery and Soul Runner, but at that point, I think it's rather pointless to get Soul Runner when Mastery will help more.

@Modular: 2 Points is the most I'd take out, but more than likely I'd leave just 1 point out or max it since I know how much a pain not having maxed Teleport can be once you get used to it.

Are soul masters even going to need skeles or cgs? They can only get to 120 and unless they are a lot stronger than crusaders, I dont understand why they would be at either of those spots when they can go to himes.

If the hit box is large enough for driver (and i know it is VERY large), they can probably hit both the top and bottom platforms at CGs. Sniping 8 CGs on both platforms solo > himes.

@Electric, it's quite a bit. Nothing really exact but a lot for lower lvls, especially for CPQ type things. It will ultimately get you more points and allow you to kill faster. And yes, that's the build hes suggesting, though, you should really get max Soul Blade in the beginning instead of getting 21 then waiting.

You can't just assume that you should go the Mastery build because "that's the conventional wisdom for warriors" This isn't a warrior. It's a Soul Master. Soul Master =/= Warrior. Though they have similar skills, they aren't the same. It would be like assuming the build for a Paladin is the same as one for a Hero.

Soul Blade, no matter what, should come before Mastery. Soul Runner, can be either 2nd or 1st. You need that extra mobility during training, it's going to be a key aspect of it.

How much is Soul Blade used compared to Power Blast, though? Out of the "mastery not maxed first" cases, the most comparable one I can think of is Bandits, since they use Savage Blow pretty much exclusively during 2nd job, so boosting that skill is more important than mastery. Is Soul Blade as important for Soul Masters as Savage Blow is to Bandits?

The thing with Blade is that it's long range. Specifically, mage range plus or minus a few pix.

It's better than Slash Blast in any situation (think about it).
It's better than Power Strike if at least two monsters are in its range, or if there's only one but it's too far for Power Strike and will die soon anyway.

So yeah, I'd say it seems pretty important.

How much is Soul Blade used compared to Power Blast, though? Out of the "mastery not maxed first" cases, the most comparable one I can think of is Bandits, since they use Savage Blow pretty much exclusively during 2nd job, so boosting that skill is more important than mastery. Is Soul Blade as important for Soul Masters as Savage Blow is to Bandits?

Let's just say... When I hit level 30 on my Soul Master in KMS, Soul Blade became the only skill I used for training. Even at level 1, it's better than Power Strike and Slash Blast. Especially with Soul Runner... Maybe the damage per minute isn't better, but when I got to level 30, my levels flew by like crazy.

Let's just say... When I hit level 30 on my Soul Master in KMS, Soul Blade became the only skill I used for training. Even at level 1, it's better than Power Strike and Slash Blast. Especially with Soul Runner... Maybe the damage per minute isn't better, but when I got to level 30, my levels flew by like crazy.

why did you get powerstrike?

why did you get powerstrike?

Because its common sense to get powerstrike? O.o
In first job you definitely need Powerstrike, HP Increase, and Slash Blast. 3 most mandatory skills.

And like ShiKage said, Soul Blade is a must. It's as important as a Bandit's SB and as important as an F/P's Fire Arrow. It's mandatory for early levels of 2nd job.

Because its common sense to get powerstrike? O.o
In first job you definitely need Powerstrike, HP Increase, and Slash Blast. 3 most mandatory skills.

And like ShiKage said, Soul Blade is a must. It's as important as a Bandit's SB and as important as an F/P's Fire Arrow. It's mandatory for early levels of 2nd job.

Fire arrow is not an adequate example in this circumstance, fire/poison mages can get through second job with no fire arrow at all. Closer example would be a sin and their lucky seven (albeit that isn't 100% accurate either, sins use lucky seven even longer).

Fire arrow is not an adequate example in this circumstance, fire/poison mages can get through second job with no fire arrow at all. Closer example would be a sin and their lucky seven (albeit that isn't 100% accurate either, sins use lucky seven even longer).

Well I was trying to use examples of skills that are used from 2nd-3rd job, but yea, I realize it isn't a good example. It's just an important skill. End of Story.

Because its common sense to get powerstrike? O.o
In first job you definitely need Powerstrike, HP Increase, and Slash Blast. 3 most mandatory skills.

And like ShiKage said, Soul Blade is a must. It's as important as a Bandit's SB and as important as an F/P's Fire Arrow. It's mandatory for early levels of 2nd job.

youve never needed powerstrike in first job, i always max it last because you use it in 2nd job after you get mastery. slash blast is much more important. thats why im pondering a mastery first build. but with soul blade, shikage immediately replaces both powerstrike and slash blast.

youve never needed powerstrike in first job, i always max it last because you use it in 2nd job after you get mastery. slash blast is much more important. thats why im pondering a mastery first build. but with soul blade, shikage immediately replaces both powerstrike and slash blast.

I've mainly used powerstrike in first job so far so I have no clue what you're talking about. I maxed powerstrike last too but its a good attack and I've used it a lot. Soul blade replaces those two, and it should. Its a far better attack and is needed for early training. for a close range class, you need that range from Soul Blade early on.

I've mainly used powerstrike in first job so far so I have no clue what you're talking about. I maxed powerstrike last too but its a good attack and I've used it a lot. Soul blade replaces those two, and it should. Its a far better attack and is needed for early training. for a close range class, you need that range from Soul Blade early on.

if you maxed it last, there are about 4 levels where it does more damage than max slash blast. i would argue that 26-29 is easy enough to skip ps in favor of maxing the sprite and getting some iron body since at 30 you totally replace ps.

why wouldnt this work? you dont use powerstrike. why get it? its crap without mastery. at least sb outputs up to 6 hits so you can go for an average dps. ps will randomly output 1 unstable hit.

its the same situation as fire arrow for the flame mage. if you look at the build on the similar thread, it isnt on there because there are better mob skills to get. a single target skill is crap in comparison to the training speed mob skills provide.

Until Soul Blade is level 21+, I wouldn't completely count out Slash Blast and Power Strike. They still have their uses in certain situations, namely Carnival PQ. In CPQ, I usually used Soul Blade to gather mobs, then Slash Blast them away. If there was one or two left, I'd cut them down with Power Strike. Power Strike is also good for boss monsters. You wouldn't be using Soul Blade over Power Strike on a single target. That's just plain dumb. That's like using Iron Arrow instead of Double Arrow on a boss. There's no point to it, since you can kill it much easier and much faster with the single target skill.

Until Soul Blade is level 21+, I wouldn't completely count out Slash Blast and Power Strike. They still have their uses in certain situations, namely Carnival PQ. In CPQ, I usually used Soul Blade to gather mobs, then Slash Blast them away. If there was one or two left, I'd cut them down with Power Strike. Power Strike is also good for boss monsters. You wouldn't be using Soul Blade over Power Strike on a single target. That's just plain dumb. That's like using Iron Arrow instead of Double Arrow on a boss. There's no point to it, since you can kill it much easier and much faster with the single target skill.

exactly what i was trying to say.

@Modular, Maxing the sprite is just plain out dumb. It's utterly useless. It hits maybe a third of the damage you can normally hit in a third of the time. that's 1/9 of the damage you can hit. (At least at my level, that is.) Iron body is pointless, you dont need that extra defense. Until you get Brandish, it's important to have Power Strike. (Read ShiKage's post)