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Aggrovated Wrote:In this special version of the Legit list, there will be none of the following :
Hackers or hacker funded characters.
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You're doing it wrong.
eos367 Wrote:He's prejudiced against the classes that have ultimates because the game is currently biased towards their more rapid advancement.
Because of this bias he removed them from equation so you're only looking at classes that are actually comparable.
Sometimes it works best with a picture, so here:
See how the other classes are so much closer to each other? Mage is off in it's own little world.
It's simply not a fair comparison.
That is incredibly inaccurate.
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Avenge Wrote:You're doing it wrong.
That is incredibly inaccurate.
How so?
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Avenge Wrote:That is incredibly inaccurate.
With no visibility into my methodology how exactly are you in a position to ascertain this and precisely what would you consider accurate?
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Well, without any visibility of methodology it remains useless... even the knowledge of whether they're using 2x cards could change that graph dramatically.
Is that based on the top 10 ranks in each class or what?
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Stereo Wrote:Well, without any visibility of methodology it remains useless... even the knowledge of whether they're using 2x cards could change that graph dramatically.
Is that based on the top 10 ranks in each class or what?
No, it's based on the day over gain day of all characters of each respective job tree above 100 and above 120 respectively, averaged across all days in a given month in which there was a gain greater than 0.
Since it's a collective average usage of 2x and similar are normalized down to representative samples, making them a legitimate factor already accounted for.
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2009-01-03, 09:44 PM
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SekushiKun Wrote:Just wonder how you are keeping coidasyou on there atm?
What is wrong with him?
dpeterlin Wrote:Paladont...thats cute
why not just disclude them from your list as well?
They are a real class, believe it or not.
Avenge Wrote:You're doing it wrong.
Pavel is doing it right, however.
Also, updated.
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Avenge Wrote:You're doing it wrong.
Can I wonder how Conciente is a hacker or hacker-funded?
I did have a hacked Priest that didn't have any mesos when I started Conciente. Two different characters, two different stories. Is using Tobis until 16x proof enough to you that I have never had mesos?
You clearly do not know anything about what you are talking.
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Aggrovated Wrote:What is wrong with him?
Um he left Prestige on his NL & smega'd admitting to hacking I do believe. Please correct me if I am incorrect.
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DjDisko Wrote:Um he left Prestige on his NL & smega'd admitting to hacking I do believe. Please correct me if I am incorrect.
Johnny never hacked.
Nice list, it's nice to see the real legit list.
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Happened last week Relle.
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Relleish Wrote:Johnny never hacked.
Nice list, it's nice to see the real legit list.
Yea, I think he just smega'd it I don't have the ss of the smega but its what ive been told on our alliance vent. It just happened very recently though.
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Lol at equating immigrants with hackers and botters. "Mardia for the Mardians," right? I am just waiting for someone to come in here and tell me to "go back to Khaini." Sorta like the little $hits that beat me up in elementary and jr high for not knowing English too well at that time, that is, for being a real immigrant.
Edit: wait, MAGICIANS are being equated to hackers and botters too lolololololololololololololololololololololololol.
A couple of my good friends in Khaini left Mardia due to all the bullpomegranate and drama. Looking at this, I can't imagine why.
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Quantact Wrote:Lol at equating immigrants with hackers and botters. "Mardia for the Mardians," right? I am just waiting for someone to come in here and tell me to "go back to Khaini." Sorta like the little $hits that beat me up in elementary and jr high for not knowing English too well at that time, that is, for being a real immigrant.
Edit: wait, MAGICIANS are being equated to hackers and botters too lolololololololololololololololololololololololol.
A couple of my good friends in Khaini left Mardia due to all the bullpomegranate and drama. Looking at this, I can't imagine why. 
What's the point of posting this? It is his rankings he can create it how ever he'd like even if it is kind of dumb. All your doing with your post is creating more drama. So your calling us drama people yet you come to our little sub forum & insult us? Please your just as immature as we are if not more immature with your post. I am not going to tell you where you can and cannot post it is not my forum to control but please don't come over here just to cause problems let him create his rankings how he see's fit.
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DjDisko Wrote:What's the point of posting this? It is his rankings he can create it how ever he'd like even if it is kind of dumb. All your doing with your post is creating more drama. So your calling us drama people yet you come to our little sub forum & insult us? Please your just as immature as we are if not more immature with your post. I am not going to tell you where you can and cannot post it is not my forum to control but please don't come over here just to cause problems let him create his rankings how he see's fit.
A little "lol" is not that insulting. You're being hypersensitive. If I called you "half-brained insipid twats," "over-lvl newbs with seemingly no concept of Maple gameplay," etc. that might be construed as insulting. I didn't say any of that, however.
I might add that you saying I am "just as immature as you" does not really defend your position all that well.
Excluding people who are legitimately playing, who just happen to be the wrong class, is unfair. Excluding people who xferred into your server becuase they had problems iwth their old server, is unfair. It's fair to require a SS of a hacking character before he gets removed from the list. It's not fair to remove him for the sole reason that he trains with an ultimate. And you can't say "well, it's our list, we do what we want to." "Legit" means just that, and if 3/4s of Maple take a look and decide your terms for inclusion are bullshit, you're going to have some explaining to do.
I am not much of a drama guy. But if you make a blatantly unfair system and then attack anyone who has issues with it as a "drama-monger," you're still going to have a lot of explaining to do to a lot of people.
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Quantact Wrote:Lol at equating immigrants with hackers and botters. "Mardia for the Mardians," right? I am just waiting for someone to come in here and tell me to "go back to Khaini." Sorta like the little $hits that beat me up in elementary and jr high for not knowing English too well at that time, that is, for being a real immigrant.
Edit: wait, MAGICIANS are being equated to hackers and botters too lolololololololololololololololololololololololol.
A couple of my good friends in Khaini left Mardia due to all the bullpomegranate and drama. Looking at this, I can't imagine why. 
I am not equating immigrants and magicians to hackers in this list. Perhaps that could be insinuated by calling the top 'legit' list and not including certain groups is deemed as calling them illegit. My fault for calling the top legit list, I suppose.
About the immigrants not being included... have a quick analogy. Canadians who immigrate to the United States are still Canadians even if they live in the United States. They are not true Mardians. Most immigrants have had one year of time to train and market on their characters. However, I do see the fact that they have put hard work into their characters in their original server and here in Mardia and want to be included, but this is my list.
Magicians can gain twice the amount of experience than a real class while soloing. Oddly enough, you are a bishop from another server who is butthurt over this.
This list is for the true players of Mardia who never get the respect they deserve because all these immigrants, hackers, botters and magicians are ensconcing them.
Please, do not post here again.
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Quantact Wrote:A little "lol" is not that insulting. You're being hypersensitive. If I called you "half-brained insipid twats," "over-lvl newbs with seemingly no concept of Maple gameplay," etc. that might be construed as insulting. I didn't say any of that, however.
I might add that you saying I am "just as immature as you" does not really defend your position all that well.
Excluding people who are legitimately playing, who just happen to be the wrong class, is unfair. Excluding people who xferred into your server becuase they had problems iwth their old server, is unfair. It's fair to require a SS of a hacking character before he gets removed from the list. It's not fair to remove him for the sole reason that he trains with an ultimate. And you can't say "well, it's our list, we do what we want to." "Legit" means just that, and if 3/4s of Maple take a look and decide your terms for inclusion are bullpomegranate, you're going to have some explaining to do.
I am not much of a drama guy. But if you make a blatantly unfair system and then attack anyone who has issues with it as a "drama-monger," you're still going to have a lot of explaining to do to a lot of people.
I was not trying to attack you at all I am just saying it is his rankings he can create it as he see's fit. I think he explained his view and I don't disagree with him on that view. Everyone feels differently on different subjects you & me disagree on his view of the rankings. How about we leave it at that before we get reported for foolish reasons.
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Never mind, this moron-a-thon is not worth it.
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Quantact Wrote:I was born in Russia, my family petitioned the United States for asylum, we got in, I got a Green Card which in 2000 was replaced by a naturalization certificate. I am still an "immigrant," but I am also a "citizen." The only thing I cannot do that a person born here can, is be President. There have been immigrants in America of all walks of life, including U.S. Senators and Supreme Court Justices. Actually, the only people in America who do not have their roots in immigration are the American Indians. Even the high-power WASP establishment traces their roots to the Mayflower ship, which brought the first immigrants to the United States. Subsequent groups, including the Germans, Eastern European Jews, and Irish, were mistreated in America when they came, but within a couple generations they all blended in seamlessly.
So, I do not know about your knowledge about other things, and I will not speak of that, but your understanding of "immigration" as pertains to the States does not seem to be very good. Immigrants are true Americans because every American is an immigrant. If you don't understand that, you are either uneducated and ignorant, or narrow-minded and ignorant. As far as Mardia for the Mardians, if you people exclude other people because they bought a LEGIT 25k world transfer, you are excluding people for reasons other than them being not legit.
Quote:Magicians can gain twice the amount of experience than a real class while soloing. Oddly enough, you are a *bishop* from another server who is butthurt over this.
This list is for the true players of Mardia who never get the respect they deserve because all these immigrants, hackers, botters and magicians are ensconcing them.
I am not "butthurt," because I am in the best guild in Khaini and I am pretty well respected by the high-lvl establishment of that server. You are the one who should be getting "butthurt," because
I am not just a Bishop, I am an IMMIGRANT bishop, in other words, everything that your thread tries to exclude. I was in Khaini since Dec 06, made this bishop in Yollande during their 4x event, and Xferred back to Khaini. I was #20 in Yollande when I left, but the way the high lvls treated each other there was BAD, so I went where I would be treated GOOD, despite the fact that it meant a large loss of rank. Which is the basic reason for immigration for anyone, in Maple or for real.
If you really hate mages that much, I have to wonder how many of your "true legits" got to their levels without Holy Symbol; and how Mardia handles Zakum and Horntail without Bishop party skills. Last I heard, partying with an "illegit" on a regular basis called your own legit status in question.
Quote:*Please, do not post here again.*
Unless I am trolling or flaming you, I can post where ever I want. If you're going to hold beliefs, you need to respond to valid criticisms thereof. My initial post in this thread was mildly provocative simply because I seriously could not believe anyone could actually make such drivel and call it "legit" and "official." As far as my 2 subsequent responses go, you cannot get me warned for them. I am not "Mardian" therefore I have no say in your forum? Make that case to the mods. Take a look at previous responses, there are people who say the same things as I am saying, but of course they count because they're in your server and I am not. Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound?
You've pretty much summed up daily life in Mardia, where people like Luke & Pavel are a vocal minority. They enjoy the delusion that thier opinions matter, but at the end of the day who doesn't?
Just nod and ignore, cause you're ultimately right - it's not worth arguing. He wants to believe what he wants to believe. No loss to you, because people will either agree with him, or not.
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Why did I always think Firebirdies was an immigrant?
Anyways being an immigrant myself and also a 1st gen Mardian I see the CORRECT way of handling a situation like this.
Quantact Immigrant have no place on a list of top characters for a server. Immigrant tag means you transfered thus making your character a worthless pile of pomegranate, like mine is. I'd never ask to be on this list, simply because my character is tainted, has the blood of a sinner, and is an overall failure not being an elitist mardian.
Secondly your a bishop, a failure class, like all mages, you get it easy and you might as well be botting, because thats all the skill that it requires being a mage. Make a real class, then get on a real respected list like this. Other wise shut your papaya mouth you fucking communist.
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LulzUninspected Wrote:Why did I always think Firebirdies was an immigrant?
Anyways being an immigrant myself and also a 1st gen Mardian I see the CORRECT way of handling a situation like this.
Quantact Immigrant have no place on a list of top characters for a server. Immigrant tag means you transfered thus making your character a worthless pile of pomegranate, like mine is. I'd never ask to be on this list, simply because my character is tainted, has the blood of a sinner, and is an overall failure not being an elitist mardian.
Secondly your a bishop, a failure class, like all mages, you get it easy and you might as well be botting, because thats all the skill that it requires being a mage. Make a real class, then get on a real respected list like this. Other wise shut your papaya mouth you pineappleing communist.
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