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how can i know i'm not concerned, when half of the post is hidden?

Because if the visible portion doesn't interest or concern you the hidden portion probably doesn't either.

if possible, could you illustrate me with some examples where the hide-reply comes useful?

See, what you did there was stupid. You purposefully went out of your way to use it to hide something you wanted an answer to.

Here are some off the top of my head simple scenarios;

Current events; post the story, keep your own thoughts on the matter hidden except to someone else willing to share their thoughts.
Site Discussion: post your idea and keep certain aspects of it reply only
Shenanigans obviously has abusive uses for it.
Speakeasy, similar to current affairs, except instead of a news article, your own whatever you want to tell about & talk about.
Shady Tree, separate your commentary on the story from the actual story
forum games, keep stuff hidden from people who aren't actually playing the game. or haven't started playing the game.

Is it really so hard to think of legitimate reasonable uses for a feature because it's so new you want to do nothing but screw around with it and be a nuisance?

If you have nothing to contribute why do you have to know what you're not seeing, since it's already something you're not concerned enough with to bother engaging?

Let's take this thread for example: I don't usually post because most of the things I want to say have been said before (and probably better put) by other users. Under this new function, even if I'm interested in the discussion I will still have to post just to find out what people feel like arbitrarily hiding. You hid text in your opening post for example (examples within examples, gotta go deeper) and as a user of the site I'm interested in changes to the way the forums work, but that doesn't mean I go posting in every thread you make an update. Now I need to post here to make sure the reply you "hid" isn't anything too important.

And what happens when people start using this in threads that die out later? Let's say someone uses this in a thread that hasn't been posted in for a few months, or even a year. Anybody who reads that thread in the future won't be able to see the content unless they necro a thread that most likely has no business being revived. People are going to start posting in threads to view hidden content whether or not they have anything productive to say and even if you make some rule about posts reviving threads needing to have some kind of relevant content...well, it's really not that hard to pretend you have some "new" information that just so might happen to not be new or true at all.

The Hide-Vote one would work perfectly though, voting in a poll doesn't bump the thread and people could use it to force others to make a more honest choice rather than reading the thread and voting after. Not like it'd really make a difference, but YMMV.

Because if the visible portion doesn't interest or concern you the hidden portion probably doesn't either.



See, what you did there was stupid. You purposefully went out of your way to use it to hide something you wanted an answer to.

Here are some off the top of my head simple scenarios;

Current events; post the story, keep your own thoughts on the matter hidden except to someone else willing to share their thoughts.
Site Discussion: post your idea and keep certain aspects of it reply only
Shenanigans obviously has abusive uses for it.
Speakeasy, similar to current affairs, except instead of a news article, your own whatever you want to tell about & talk about.
Shady Tree, separate your commentary on the story from the actual story
forum games, keep stuff hidden from people who aren't actually playing the game. or haven't started playing the game.

Is it really so hard to think of legitimate reasonable uses for a feature because it's so new you want to do nothing but screw around with it and be a nuisance?

it's not that it's hard to come with legitimate reason it's just that...

current events: what if it's your thoughts that make me post? i'd still be a post behind, can be achieved with spoiler tags
site discusion: not allowed to see the whole idea until i post, meaning i don't have the full info to post an appropiate response to his idea.
shenanigans: abuse, lol ofc it's useful here
speakeasy: you're now hiding the very topic you want to discuss until someone posts
shady tree: can be achieved with spoilers, i don't have to post
forum games: sure, i guess it works here?

most of the time you can achieve the same or better with spoiler tags, i don't mind vote because it allows you to post without being influenced by the inner meaning of the poll.

how did you know i hid it though? that part interests me most.

edit: only use i can really see for it, is if we're discussing some sort of touch-sensitive information, like specifics of a hack to explain how it affects you (say someone here figured out account hacking)

but that's something that is banned for discussion here (and other places too) so...

Aw. This is a neat idea, but I'm not sure I like it. I lurk a lot and tend to be pretty forum-shy when it comes to actually replying to threads...

[HIDE-REPLY]I very often click reply, type up a response, and then decide it isn't worth posting and just hit cancel. [/HIDE-REPLY]

edit: Would it be possible to differentiate hidden text from normal text after meeting the vote/reply requirements? Aside from appearing on a separate line, it blends in with the rest of the text. It'd be nice to know which parts were supposed to be hidden and which weren't without needing to quote it or log out.

it's not that it's hard to come with legitimate reason it's just that...

current events: what if it's your thoughts that make me post? i'd still be a post behind, can be achieved with spoiler tags
site discusion: not allowed to see the whole idea until i post, meaning i don't have the full info to post an appropiate response to his idea.
speakeasy: you're now hiding the very topic you want to discuss until someone posts

Maybe I don't want your opinion on my opinion. That's the point in all three of these scenarios.
If I want your opinion on the subject, not your opinion on my opinion, this is the way to get it. A spoiler doesn't prevent them from peeking anyway. This does.

how did you know i hid it though? that part interests me most.

Why don't you try replying to yourself and find out.

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If it can't be used properly I can always just restrict usage to the forums it has the most practical uses in, and prevent it from being used at all in the others.

Not sure if want.

I think it inconviences more than anything.

Seems pretty.. interesting? Not sure how useful it'll be but I guess we'll find out.

meh, in the end if it's useless it won't be used, if it's useful it will happen, i trust the userbase of this site

(except locked, he got some nasty plans)

meh, in the end if it's useless it won't be used, if it's useful it will happen, i trust the userbase of this site

(except locked, he got some nasty plans)

You left out "and if it's abused it'll be dealt with", which is the part everyone seems to be completely focused on. As if the mods would let people run amuck with this when we don't with any other tag. Spoilers can be abused and have been punished for it, so obsessing over all the ways people could abuse this is absurd.

This is great, saves me the trouble of reading some posts without having to block anyone. Convenient and subtle way of censoring the worthless posts. Trick the users into doing it to themselves. I like it.

meh, in the end if it's useless it won't be used, if it's useful it will happen, i trust the userbase of this site

(except locked, he got some nasty plans)

I'm not going to do anything, I couldn't care less about it.

This is a minor annoyance but hopefully I can deal with it later on.

You left out "and if it's abused it'll be dealt with", which is the part everyone seems to be completely focused on. As if the mods would let people run amuck with this when we don't with any other tag. Spoilers can be abused and have been punished for it, so obsessing over all the ways people could abuse this is absurd.

What is this going to be used for? Not the Hide-vote tag, the Hide-Reply tag. Can you think of any possible reason this should exist that cannot be done just as effectively without it?

Why would anyone want to hide information from someone who has yet to reply to the thread? What is a possible use of this that both contributes to a thread and does not count as abuse?

This is why my ad block will stay on.

[HIDE-REPLY]It da good![/HIDE-REPLY]
Edit: i fail

I wonder how do i use this >.>

[noparse][HIDE-REPLY]stuff[/HIDE-REPLY][/noparse]

What is this going to be used for? Not the Hide-vote tag, the Hide-Reply tag. Can you think of any possible reason this should exist that cannot be done just as effectively without it?

Perhaps you should read his previous posts where he gives many examples.

Perhaps you should read his previous posts where he gives many examples.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as trying to aggravate here, but I really don't get it and I'm kinda confused here. The only post of Eos' that I can find is this:

Current events; post the story, keep your own thoughts on the matter hidden except to someone else willing to share their thoughts.
Site Discussion: post your idea and keep certain aspects of it reply only
Shenanigans obviously has abusive uses for it.
Speakeasy, similar to current affairs, except instead of a news article, your own whatever you want to tell about & talk about.
Shady Tree, separate your commentary on the story from the actual story
forum games, keep stuff hidden from people who aren't actually playing the game. or haven't started playing the game.

And while these are neat ideas, doesn't answer my question. Why is this necessary in the first place? Why do we need a method to try to stop people from reading? It's not like it's going to stop anybody from getting to it if they want to, all they'd have to do is make a minimal-content post once in the thread. It isn't going to prohibit anybody, and all it looks like it would do is encourage people to post for the sake of posting so they can see others' posts. Really, why would you want to hide your posts in Site Discussion? I mean, the text under the forum says "Site related ideas and commentary go here", wouldn't it be completely counterproductive to give things posted there any less exposure than they already get?

Almost all of those ideas can have the same result reached through usage of regular spoiler tags, and with the benefit of not hiding information from other users. If I wanted to say something and separate my ideas from my source content, I'd, you know, just use formatting or something. Put my separate stuff in spoilers/hover spoilers, put my source in quote tags, or heck just put a big 'ol line of dashes between them. What I wouldn't do is make it so people coming in are unable to see any discussion points I'm making.

I'm not trying to be all smug and argumentative, I am legitimately trying and failing to think of a situation where using [HIDE-REPLY] tags would be more effective and helpful than what we already have. Is there any other forums that uses these that someone could point me to so I could see them working in action or something?

Ninja edit: You know what, never mind I won't drag it out any more. Sorry. Basically:

meh, in the end if it's useless it won't be used, if it's useful it will happen