Are you legit?

Begin the mass ban of the illegits, Eos. Exterminate, exterminate! (save me for last, please )

Yes, the ToS in its entirety is stupid.

No you don't need a huge number of people posting they are illegitimate in order to substantiate that. It doesn't really do anything to intrinsically show how the ToS is flawed in the first place.

Taking hackers out of the selection pool is understandable given what you are trying to poll "fair players who are unfairly considered illegitimate by strict interpretation of ToS." However it is unrealistic given the fact that the game has become incredibly influenced by people who have abused exploitable glitches and hackers. Even with people who try to avoid such deviants, they are likely still influenced by the pressure that hackers put on the market.

Practically everyone here already knows the answer to your question is "No we are not legit based on the extreme strict definition you have"

I don't see why people care if you're super hardcore legit, or you're "illegit". The people who say "You're illegit, just confess it already and stop acting like you're all legit" i don't get why they say that. It's like they want to put other people down so they feel superior to them. If they get turned on by that, then by all means good for them. Myself and the other "illegits" will continue to have fun and play with our friends.

Also inb4 "illegit" drama and what constitutes as illegit vs legit vs hacker and people throwing their legit superiority around.

If you broke the ToS in anyway shape or form.

The only people who claim to be legit by this standard must not have read the ToS or they don't interact with anyone online ever.

The only people who claim to be legit by this standard must not have read the ToS or they don't interact with anyone online ever.

Yeah. I have a very hard time believing that 10 people are claiming Legit...

I'm pretty sure everyone failed on the kill-stealing restriction as well.

Also, what is

Link to any page of or content on the Site other than the URL located at http://www.nexon.net/

Does this restrict us from posting links such as this?

He who is without maplesin, cast the first stone.

 Spoiler

Nope, I'm not legit either you got me.

Glitch spawn? I don't know what that is...
Does that glitch in Henesys market count as one? Because I've done that one plenty of times.
I sometimes curse and I have multiple accounts.

I'm legit by my own definition, and that's enough to put my mind at ease and feel good about myself.
It's also entirely pointless to have a black & white contrast between a legit and illegit player, there's a difference between someone who did something wrong once and stopped ever since, someone who has an IGN against the rules and someone who actively dupes and DC hacks. It's like saying a serial murderer and a pickpocket are on the same level of bad.

It's like saying a serial murderer and a pickpocket are on the same level of bad.

In Nexon's world they are.

Wanted to know how SP takes on this topic.


Do you think the majority of GMS (possibly MS in general) is legit? I am not only talking about hackers, If you broke the ToS in anyway shape or form. Going from Cursing, to scamming, to multiple accounts,to even hacked spawns. I ask this because, most maplers who are asked this, scream that they are diehard legits, But honestly on a rough estimate the majority of GMS (for example) is illegit.

State your thoughts on this or if it matters anymore because some of the ToS is broken like nothing. (Cursing/multiple accounts/hacked spawns). If you think it doesn't, I ask you this, What makes you different from hackers who also break apart of the ToS?

Are you a law-abiding citizen?
Have you ever jaywalked? "Tasted" an item that was in an open bin in a store? Cracked a sexist or racist joke?
If so, what makes you different from serial killers who also break the law?


Seriously, in Maple just as in the real world, there are degrees of ToS-breaking. There's a big difference between "abusing a glitch" in a way that harms no-one (such as using bugged FM portals to get from one town to another) and crashing whole channels, ruining everybody's game experience (nevermind the economy).

I think the most important thing is not to succumb to the "oh no, I've broken the ToS, now I'm a hopeless sinner, might as well go buy <cheat engine>" attitude.

Personally I lost my claim to sainthood about three years ago, when I would use the "spam-a-skill" glitch to avoid falling off Lower Ascent map. However, for the rest of my journey to 200, I haven't done anything worse. So I'm pretty ok with myself.

In Nexon's world the pickpocket gets burned alive, and the serial murderer never gets caught

fixed.

i just read the "username and password" thing, LULZY stuff, especially now that we login with our emails, and people usually have their names in their emails

Engage in rude, unlawful, harassing, vulgar, obscene, hateful, threatening, abusive or otherwise objectionable behavior, including, without limitation, looting, kill stealing, making sexual comments and/or cursing;

wait, i can't Loot? i will accept my punishment now eos, be gentle

Harvest or collect information about the Service, visitors to the Site or users of the Service without their express consent;
Use "packet sniffing," scripting and/or macroing software for any purpose whatsoever, or otherwise monitor the Service, the Cash Items or the Software;

i'm looking at your server checker eos...

Reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble all or any portion of the Service, Cash Items or Software;

i think this one is for fiel? unsure.

EDIT:
huh, interesting one:

Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage;

this is all i could find regarding exploits, wouldn't this make buying, say, duped WS from people something accepted, since technically everyone has access to them, so it doesn't really provide any competitive advantage. and the only one at fault would be the main duper who IS getting a competitive advantage by materializing them from nowhere?

Glitch spawn? I don't know what that is...

I think they mean "hacked".

Don't know why people say "glitched" when they mean "hacked".

In Nexon's world they are.

Nexon occasionally makes an effort to keep hackers at bay. They recently deleted a bunch of hacked items. I hear they've also temp banned for offensive killstealing at least once.

But when has Nexon ever brought down the law on people who have a name like "BobIsCool" or "MrAwesome"?

Going... ...to multiple accounts

ToS is broken like nothing. (/multiple accounts/)

You mention this twice.

Now show me where in the Terms of Use that we are told not to create multiple accounts.

As for this question...

What makes you different from hackers who also break apart of the ToS?

Cursing or creating multiple accounts doesn't wreck the game.
That's why it's different.

Pretty sure no rational person has ever abused hacked spawn and claimed to be legitimate.

(and not only cause it's against the TOS to have more than one.)

Where does it say such a thing?

Didn't they remove multiple account rule from ToS anyways.

Such a clause certainly doesn't exist in the current text.

I'm pretty sure everyone failed on the kill-stealing restriction as well.

You mean the clause that uses an undefined term and then fails to define it?

Are you a law-abiding citizen?
Have you ever jaywalked? "Tasted" an item that was in an open bin in a store? Cracked a sexist or racist joke?
If so, what makes you different from serial killers who also break the law?

You were doing so well, but distasteful jokes aren't inherently against the law (at least, not where I live. Your mileage may vary.)
You could get in legal trouble based on the specific content of a joke or when and where you said it, but telling an offensive joke isn't, of itself, illegal.



Aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, this entire thread is just dumb as it hinges on the premise that the Terms of Use define what a legitimate player is.
Guess what? It never has.

Legitimacy is about playing fair.
Do you know why Michael Phelps didn't lose his medals for smoking pot?
Because it's not a performance enhancing drug!
Is it frowned upon by many communities in addition to being illegal in many places? Absolutely.
But, in terms of the Olympics, the only thing that mattered was whether or not it would give him an unfair leg-up on his peers.

A great portion of the Terms have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a player has a competitive advantage, and that's the only thing that matters when determining legitimacy.

So saying that anyone who has ever violated a single section of the Terms must be considered "illegit" is to show complete ignorance of what that term actually implies.

Mr. "gerhb23gterhbdfhq3wt3gtweg" (NOTE: Far too long to be an actual character name in Maple Story. Just an example.) didn't keep kicking my ass in PVP because his name violates the "no gibberish" rule.
He kicked my ass because he could attack thousand times faster than I could due to exploiting the game.

But when has Nexon ever brought down the law on people who have a name like "BobIsCool" or "MrAwesome"?

A pal of mine had some kind of variation of dipshit (backwards or something) and he got banned for 30 days and had it changed to a name he got to pick by ticket. We also had a member here at SP with a pirate named something with booty getting his IGN randomized by Nexon without warning.

You mean the clause that uses an undefined term and then fails to define it?

Does this count as a definition?

[MENTION=777]Afrobean[/MENTION] [MENTION=4341]CarrionCrow[/MENTION] One of my friends got her name changed by a GM to "BoofDooz." She didn't choose it herself, and it was quite confusing.

this is all i could find regarding exploits, wouldn't this make buying, say, duped WS from people something accepted, since technically everyone has access to them, so it doesn't really provide any competitive advantage. and the only one at fault would be the main duper who IS getting a competitive advantage by materializing them from nowhere?

One could easily regard benefiting from an exploit as exploiting the exploit.

But, yeah, that was the closest I could get to an example of something that would almost universally be considered "illegit" without being strictly addressed in the Terms.

Does this count as a definition?

It counts as a generic definition, yes, but it hardly applies to Maple.

For example, as that article itself addresses, Maple has a system that divvies experience to players proportionally based on damage done, so it's not an "all or nothing" system as is addressed in the Wiki article you linked.

Where does it say such a thing?


Such a clause certainly doesn't exist in the current text.

It's not current but, at the time, did break the ToS (as it stood in 2006)

Obviously im not legit by OP's definition.. buuutt, im still proud i havent used any 3rd party programs, bought mesos or abuse any glitch for my own gain or something similar. so i voted im legit

No, I enjoy cursing way too fucking much.