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so with ACB being absolutely amazing, does this affect the 4th job skill maxing order
#21
If it wasn't an intentional change, no I wouldn't advice it because they could change it anyday and you'd be screwed.
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#22
KhainiWest Wrote:If it wasn't an intentional change, no I wouldn't advice it because they could change it anyday and you'd be screwed.

Even with the delay change not up to date, ACB is still THE skill to max first.
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#23
Well even with its 810ms delay, the skill got a CONSIDERABLE boost in damage (From 5xx to 700), also ACB WILL ALWAYS BE the first skill to max in the paladin tree BECAUSE of the extra mastery you get at max. (Remember mastery applies when you have a charge on, which should be 100% of the time)
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#24
Viaje Wrote:^That's a question of efficiency.
oh i see, i need to open my eyes
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#25
dante9898 Wrote:Well even with its 810ms delay, the skill got a CONSIDERABLE boost in damage (From 5xx to 700), also ACB WILL ALWAYS BE the first skill to max in the paladin tree BECAUSE of the extra mastery you get at max. (Remember mastery applies when you have a charge on, which should be 100% of the time)

except if u fight empress. u do less damage with all charges on >_>.
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#26
valhala556 Wrote:except if u fight empress. u do less damage with all charges on >_>.

by 170 you'll have maxed everything you need to fight her, don't worry.
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#27
Dark Link Wrote:Even with the delay change not up to date, ACB is still THE skill to max first.
The delay is up to date because the delay never changed.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:by 170 you'll have maxed everything you need to fight her, don't worry.
My thoughts exactly.
It makes it a non-issue.

That said, Pink Bean should be the same case unless he's no longer resistant to everything.
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#28
ShinkuDragon Wrote:by 170 you'll have maxed everything you need to fight her, don't worry.

you would go empress at 170 though?
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#29
HKSmaster Wrote:you would go empress at 170 though?

...did you seriously ask me this? you don't know me that well yet brandon lol.

 Spoiler

not to mention, as a drk my prime purpose is almost never DPS, that SS was taken quite a while ago (yes, i'm 9 levels above, but she hit gms and i was like 4 levels below that SS and still went for lulz)

PD: look at that guy talking in buddylist chat
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#30
valhala556 Wrote:except if u fight empress. u do less damage with all charges on >_>.

>>Assuming any smart Paladin player would be stupid enough to even fight with charges on.
We essentially become Threaten / CO mules with godlike tank status in the Empress fight lol.
During the summons, we can do the damage.
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#31
Dark Link Wrote:>>Assuming any smart Paladin player would be stupid enough to even fight with charges on.
We essentially become Threaten / CO mules with godlike tank status in the Empress fight lol.
During the summons, we can do the damage.

that eckhart...
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#32
ShinkuDragon Wrote:that eckhart...

lol, I don't even know what he does. I've never been in an Empress run yet. All I know is they do damage like pros.
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#33
Dark Link Wrote:>>Assuming any smart Paladin player would be stupid enough to even fight with charges on.
We essentially become Threaten / CO mules with godlike tank status in the Empress fight lol.
During the summons, we can do the damage.

40k hp with self?? i jelly
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#34
Dark Link Wrote:lol, I don't even know what he does. I've never been in an Empress run yet. All I know is they do damage like pros.

he stuns for 15 seconds, which is annoying, but he is also holy weak, which made a friend of mine go all "woohoo" on his ass. haven't you tried going in solo just to check the place/guys? learn to hate the nado and such >.<
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#35
ShinkuDragon Wrote:he stuns for 15 seconds, which is annoying, but he is also holy weak, which made a friend of mine go all "woohoo" on his ass. haven't you tried going in solo just to check the place/guys? learn to hate the nado and such >.<

Nope, I still haven't done the questline to get the Dream Key Tongue
My sisters' showed interest in the fight though, so 3man suicide coming soon!
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#36
Even before the buff, ACB should have been your first skill. It's a simple and very efficient 10 points. This is in addition to the fact that LHC is the main leveling spot for awhile, with some channels making use of the seven monster limit, haha. What I did was:

1 point rush
Max ACB
1 point Blast
1 point Guardian
1 point Achilies
Max Divine Shield
Max Blast
Max Power Stance

I have a friend with mw30, so I'm putting that off until later. I'm lost after this, I can always go for damage reduction, but LHC mobs only hit me for 1 damage anyhow, and I still have ~20 levels before I can solo horntail or go to any high end boss, so I could max holy charge in the meanwhile. I dunno, this is just my advice.
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#37
Holy Charge > Blast
Even in LHC terms, you're still mobbing more than you're single-targeting.
Plus with LHC losing its weakness table, maxing Holy charge took higher priority over Blast again.
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#38
Holy is only a marginal increase compared to Fire, and I'm pretty funded, so I was expecting to solo Zakum. I can do it in about 15 minutes at level 144. So I guess it just depends on your character.
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#39
When you say "pretty funded" how funded do you mean, last solo i did was at around 17x with close to 80-100% STR and it still took me 30mins o-o
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#40
I don't want to derail the topic, but:

I have 164% str and ~ 259 base attack. Using an energizer and divine shield, with mw30 and dark aura from friends, my top end is 51k at lv144
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