Wtp is so bad about Rage?

Because they have extremely cheap 12 att pots that make rage quite useless.

Those potions are not cheap. I heard in another thread that you're a major FMer; to you the cost of Warrior Elixirs is nothing, but to others can be an issue. Some people are extremely short on mesos, to the point where they cannot afford to scroll decent equipment and are lucky to have enough pots for the next day's training. To such a person having a free 10 att boost over a 12 att boost that costs 500k per 100 potions may be a good alternative. If it's the difference between regularly training and not regularly training, Rage is good.

Yeah, running unfunded the 40k/hour saving is pretty decent, and it adds up. If you spend 5 hours per level 50-70 using Rage, you save 4 million mesos.

First, I'm glad that you're getting rid of people's apples in CPQ. Even when I see 4th job classes using them on anything other than bosses, I cringe. The problem I have with people that Rage while I'm training is that they aren't consistent with it. They cancel out my pot right after I use it, then don't use Rage after it runs out, until I get impatient and use another Warrior Elixir, which is then canceled by their Rage again.

I don't merchant at all, and I've never had a problem with buying a stack of 100 Warrior Elixirs. I think SEA players would be quite outraged to see anyone complaining about pot cost in gMS.

On my Hero, which I haven't played for awhile, I always used rage when training alone, but took it off if I was at a boss or partying.

Sometimes it is useful. If I am out of 12 atk potions, it's great.

Whether or not I use it depends on number of hits to kill, though if I am in a place that I'd really rather not keep casting rage (like himes) I'll tend to use 12 at potions.

Where there is dispel it is really best to not use it. Like in APQ. Annoys me when people expect me to rage them there.

In CPQ, I think rage is generally better than 12 atk potions. You can't use another potion while in CPQ, so you have to use them right before going in, and then if you don't get in you wasted one, and stuff like that. Rage, as long as the fighter remembers to keep casting it, is way better.

I am unfunded. From levels 50 - 100, rage helped me a lot

Though what on earth is a person gaining using an apple in CPQ?! I hope you told them to stop being stupid

The only time Rage really bothers me is when people cast it on me while training, and then forget to renew it. Same with Haste. If you're going to buff me once with something that overrides an item I have, at least have the decency to keep the buff active instead of wasting my items.

When I'm playing my Fighter, I Rage in just about every PQ. It doesn't seem to bother anyone.

seems like us ragers just suck at keeping the buff active. everyone else needs to say "rage plx" more often like they say "HASTE HASTE HASTE" or "HB HB HB".

and good work, people using apples in cpq deserve to die.

The only time Rage really bothers me is when people cast it on me while training, and then forget to renew it. Same with Haste. If you're going to buff me once with something that overrides an item I have, at least have the decency to keep the buff active instead of wasting my items.

When I'm playing my Fighter, I Rage in just about every PQ. It doesn't seem to bother anyone.

It's not really a "decency" issue... this is a game, not a corporation with performance expectations. Some Bishops I know quit their characters because of people getting angry that they forgot to recast Holy Symbol and such. If you're grinding for 6 hours, that sort of thing will happen from time to time.

There is a difference between trying to remember and being too lazy to cast it. Personally, if I can't be bothered raging everybody, I'll just say that I am not using rage, and I will use my 12 ATK potions instead.

I would get annoyed about a priest not casting HS, though a bishop forgetting sometimes is alright. A priests job in a party is to HS, or they are just leeching and doing nothing useful. A crusader is actually killing stuff, and their buff can be replaced with potions anyway. Though either way, a fighter/ crusader/ hero should decide from the start (when they join a party) whether or not they are going to rage, and not go back and forth.

Those potions are not cheap. I heard in another thread that you're a major FMer; to you the cost of Warrior Elixirs is nothing, but to others can be an issue. Some people are extremely short on mesos, to the point where they cannot afford to scroll decent equipment and are lucky to have enough pots for the next day's training. To such a person having a free 10 att boost over a 12 att boost that costs 500k per 100 potions may be a good alternative. If it's the difference between regularly training and not regularly training, Rage is good.

Yellonde, no funding, no shop, nothing... Yet somehow I always trained and cpq'd with em. =P

i had a conversation with zahur9 from windia about rage, and we both agreed that rage > att pots. its only 2 att, doesnt make that much of a diff, doesnt use up a use slot, and it saves money. he has never used att pills, and with him being lv 19x, we lol'd trying to imagine how much money he saved from using rage and not att pots. and for bosses like pap or pianus you can just ask if you can rage, but i think for zak n ht you just assume everyone is using apples lol

For any boss that dispels, it makes a lot of sense to use an attack potion. Having to recast rage over and over again...yea. :X

Other then that, Rage should almost always be used aside from big runs with Onyx Apples and whatnot. :o

I really hate it when someone rages you with lvl 1 rage or sth, it's just useless even if you don't have attack pot.

and for maxed rage, I don't mind if people rages me, in fact i prefer it rather than using warrior elixer.

but what bothers me is that they cant rage constantly. when fighters rage, and when rage runs out, I had to use a warrior elixer, and then they rage again, making me waste my warrior elixer.

Still, who WOULD waste mesos just for one potion in one CPQ round?

I would, I CPQ on an xbow, I need all the additional damage I can get.

Players should expect that a warrior/crusader would Rage when he/she joins the party. If they don't want it, they should ask before the PQ begins. I usually Rage when nobody is in the AoE, unless others ask me to. Using Onyx Apples in CPQ is definitely not an intelligent idea anyway.

Well problem is, all she said was 'OMG A FIGHTER' and does an f3 face as if she was making it plain obvious that she does not want me to use rage. I don't get why she didn't say "NO RAGE NO RAGE!" to me in the first place. *sigh* people seriously need to grow up nowadays >.>

Nah. They just need to go back to teaching common sense in schools.


Oh wait, they never did...guess they should start!

rage is like giving ur party aids.. most wont be using atk pots and value it. but the odd people that do use 12 atk pots, maybe they need that 2 extra atk cuz it means a lot to them. plus it wont get dispelled, and with superior pots its best not to use an ancient skill

jus ask if people want rage before u use it, be smart, not noob.

I'd say that person deserved it. Why waste apples in CPQ, literally they're [insert swear word] useless anyways when monsters are weak enough to get killed within a few attacks........

Plus Rage and Warrior pots have a slight difference. Hey, unless its a low-level Rage that's bugging me, then I will have no problem since its free atk booster, saving me Warrior Elixirs for a time being. Plus, if you're a Sader/Hero, consider that as a backup just in case you run out of Warrior Elixirs during training. ;D

Players should expect that a warrior/crusader would Rage when he/she joins the party. If they don't want it, they should ask before the PQ begins. I usually Rage when nobody is in the AoE, unless others ask me to. Using Onyx Apples in CPQ is definitely not an intelligent idea anyway.

Shouldn't it be up to the fighter/ crusader (lol warrior) to say?
It is their skill, not the other peoples

Still, who WOULD waste mesos just for one potion in one CPQ round?

Trust me, it helps. I've been able to lose to a team and then the next round win just because of simple 12 attack pill. And defaming her 6/7 times was a bit harsh, forgive and forget. Back in the old days, I got yelled at on my fighter for not having rage (FA first) and people were generally angry. Sometimes I was kicked from party; it is only fair that the reverse is true now, correct?