Attack Speed Reference

Bow
Hurricane
All: 120ms

Claw
Lucky Seven/Triple Throw/Drain/Shadow Meso/Normal Attack
Faster (2): 600ms
Faster (3): 660ms
Fast (4): 720ms
Normal (6): 810ms

Looking at this attack time table got me thinking about Triple Throw VS SoA.

5 Arrows from SoA would be 600ms, and terms between TT is also 600ms.
The thing is, the last 3 hits from TT are only half of the first three hits, so TT would be hit, hit, hit, 1/2hit, 1/2hit, 1/2hit. or 4 1/2.

So lets call it SoA vs Quadruple and a half throw. (Q1/2T)

In 600ms, SoA fires 5 arrows and Q1/2T fires 4.5 stars. NL's have higher critical rate, but bowmasters have higher mastery (bow expert 90%) Not to mention SE brings up bowmaster's critical higher than NL's, and SoA technically does 1/2 a hit more than Q1/2T in the same amount of time. If a NL has SE, then once again his critical rate would jump up higher than a BM's, but BM's still have that higher mastery. Would that equal the two out?

Of course with an apple + SE, a NL would win hands down.

This is just something I was thinking of in the past 15 minutes, so sorry if I sound like a complete idiot.

Do it simpler. Compare the average damage of 10 hurricane arrows and 2 TTs. (total time used for both is 1200 ms)

Who is better depends on a lot of factors, really. Hurricane has a chance to have 10 criticals, and have 90% mastery, while TT has a chance to have 6 only, which puts hurricane at an advantage there.

But for instance, at horntail, using hurricane is risky in the beginning, and hurricane can't be spammed as efficiently as TT, so it's also depending on the player's skills. It also depends on the equips too. So really, it's quite hard to compare them to each other.

And wow, if Crossbow users get shafted, it's on Final Attack. It's more like two attacks than one and a half attacks.

I knew it. Knew it knew it knew it knew it knew it.

-tries to calculate DPS for bow FA to settle that issue once and for all-

So, with Final Attack activating, the original skill becomes faster for Hunters?

Well... in a way. FA fires before your ordinary attack delay would be over, so yes.

It's pretty apparent on a character with FA.

Do it simpler. Compare the average damage of 10 hurricane arrows and 2 TTs. (total time used for both is 1200 ms)

Who is better depends on a lot of factors, really. Hurricane has a chance to have 10 criticals, and have 90% mastery, while TT has a chance to have 6 only, which puts hurricane at an advantage there.

But for instance, at horntail, using hurricane is risky in the beginning, and hurricane can't be spammed as efficiently as TT, so it's also depending on the player's skills. It also depends on the equips too. So really, it's quite hard to compare them to each other.

TT has a chance to have 9 crits, if you count a crit SP star as half a crit. I think it makes sense that way, because it gets half of the effect of a regular crit.

TT has a chance to have 9 crits, if you count a crit SP star as half a crit. I think it makes sense that way, because it gets half of the effect of a regular crit.

TT with shadow partner is TT's damage multiplied by 1.5, and has no relation to criticals. But yeah, TT+SP has a higher damage multiplier than Hurricane.

I have another question. Does the delay represent the time that passes before you can use another skill, or only the time that passes before you can use the same skill?

E.g. Boomerang Step, does the actual attack take 1950ms or does that also include the invisible cooldown? And whichever one it is, is there a way to find the other?

That would be the time between reusing the skill again. (1950ms BS)

So then my second question, would there be a way to find the time between using a different skill?

You would have to time the milliseconds between the start of Boomerang Step, and then the start of a second skill, such as Band of Thieves, Assaulter, Double Stab, etc.

Oh yeah, I forgot that the output is just the raw tick count and not the difference. It shouldn't be difficult then, just macro BStep+Savage or something.

Boomerang Step delay until other skills are usable added. Anything else?

Boomerang Step delay until other skills are usable added. Anything else?

Faster(2) of all spearmen skills. SSB and Sky ski will get that speed with 11+ Wind Booster (well, ssb gets it at 1, actually).

thanks for giving me another reason to quit my marksman ^___^

TT with shadow partner is TT's damage multiplied by 1.5, and has no relation to criticals. But yeah, TT+SP has a higher damage multiplier than Hurricane.

Oh, what I was saying is that instead of getting +240% per crit, TT+SP gets 360% per crit, if you count a top star and a bottom star as one unit.

Exact Total Charge Time for Pierce and Big Bang please.

Note: Cooling Effect/Fire Burner seem to have large delays between the
attacks themselves, but you can interchange them quite quickly - in as little as 600ms even at weapon speed 5.

Time this, as with BStep? And other skills like that, if there are any in the data. I know Infighters have a bunch, but it doesn't look like they're there.

Faster(2) of all spearmen skills. SSB and Sky ski will get that speed with 11+ Wind Booster (well, ssb gets it at 1, actually).

Is there some spear that's Fast (4)? Even putting your mouse on Wind Booster crashes the client in this version.

Exact Total Charge Time for Pierce and Big Bang please.

Have a method for doing this? I know they send a special packet when they start, but any value I could produce would be trial and error since the attack is not automatically used at max charge. Wondering if you have an idea as to how to reduce that potential human error.

EDIT: As an afterthought, the tick count isn't even included in the special skill start packet. I'd have to rely on server time.

EDIT2: I changed the software to a completely server-sided tick count, but it displays slightly off color values for known times. Tolerance seems to be roughly 10ms.

Having said that, I'm coming up with ~2000ms in preliminary testing. I'd assume with human error that it'd be somewhere between 2000ms and 2100ms - my trials ranged from 1969-2110ms. Anything under 2000 was way too short. I elongated the window to better see the bar. This is for Pierce, of course. In my testing, booster does not affect charge time.

Time this, as with BStep? And other skills like that, if there are any in the data. I know Infighters have a bunch, but it doesn't look like they're there.

It was timed. I was able to switch between the two in as little time as 600ms on a Fast (5) weapon, usually somewhere in the neighborhood of 710ms.

Either way, it has no practical application at the moment and that's assuming that it's going to stay the way it currently is in the first place - which I doubt considering how much of the pirate data was added.

So it's 600ms at all speeds?

I was also wondering... what if the client simply rounds the tick count to 30ms, but the speeds themselves aren't rounded at all? That would account for the differences being slightly off. The same thing happens when you subtract frames in a Fraps comparison, since attacks don't take an exact amount of frames?