Weapon's attack speed questions.

skis matter, speed matter.

Then what the hell are people saying about crusher's speed and not needing skis?

Then what the hell are people saying about crusher's speed and not needing skis?

LIES.

Well, as far I know, maple impaler is way faster with crusher than omega spear. And omega spear is faster than redemption, so I would assume that this also applies for sky skis. (sky skis being normal(6) speed)

LIES.

Well, as far I know, maple impaler is way faster with crusher than omega spear. And omega spear is faster than redemption, so I would assume that this also applies for sky skis. (sky skis being normal(6) speed)

I figured the same thing, I mean the difference can be seen by the naked eye when you crusher with an impaler compared to an omega spear. Someone enlighten me and tell me otherwise?

So just making sure, Crusher defaults a spear's speed at normal, right? Skis don't matter yes?

No, my statistics are very close to exact, which means a skis is faster than an OS, but only by 4 attacks per minute. I'm not entirely sure how slow ff/pinaka/faltizan is, it also says 'slow', but who knows which slow??

- If I can time it myself, I won't need your Brandish's information.
- If I need your information, apparently I can't do it on my own.

I'm not posting this thread to bother people with things I am too lazy to flick a finger at, I did try everything in my ability before deciding to cause a nuisance here. Then again, your 'long way' could differ from mine.

Anyway, thanks for the Brandish's timing, that translates into (supposing Booster was activated?):
- Fast (4) speed: 45/60 s/a
- Fastest (2) speed: 34.6/60 s/a

Close enough to the table.

I just posted it because it's not hard to time pomegranate yourself. You put on anything that has a decent timer and start spamming said attack. Do it a few times for an accurate timing, and there you go. I posted the brandish information so you could see it's not that damn hard.

I just posted it because it's not hard to time pomegranate yourself. You put on anything that has a decent timer and start spamming said attack. Do it a few times for an accurate timing, and there you go. I posted the brandish information so you could see it's not that damn hard.

I can't spam more than 100 attacks unceasingly, just fyi.
And if you ever bothered reading at all, I did time stuff I could and found significant (Crusher, Fury). I'm here asking for a general rule (if any) rather than manual try-and-error work.

If we however don't share the same view, I personally am not satisfied with 'approximately' or even 'very close to exact' results.

I just posted it because it's not hard to time pomegranate yourself

May I ask if you could time acb's speed? You sure as hell can go make a Paladin and test or ask your Paladin friend. But do you really think others' information is reliable enough? Unfortunately, neither choice for me.

I can't spam more than 100 attacks unceasingly, just fyi.

I said minute. Not hours on end. I doubt you'll be able to do as many attacks as a red katana in a minute to begin with, sir, for you are using a damn spear.

And if you ever bothered reading at all, I did time stuff I could and found significant (Crusher, Fury). I'm here asking for a general rule (if any) rather than manual try-and-error work.

If we however don't share the same view, I personally am not satisfied with 'approximately' or even 'very close to exact' results. .

It goes without saying I don´t read, but you´re saying you don´t believe anyone and at the same time you´re asking them for information (????)

May I ask if you could time acb's speed? You sure as hell can go make a Paladin and test or ask your Paladin friend. But do you really think others' information is reliable enough? Unfortunately, neither choice for me.

If you wanted to know that so bad, you could ask multiple paladins, and maybe ask a good friend to test it out on his character.

I can't spam more than 100 attacks unceasingly, just fyi.
And if you ever bothered reading at all, I did time stuff I could and found significant (Crusher, Fury). I'm here asking for a general rule (if any) rather than manual try-and-error work.

If we however don't share the same view, I personally am not satisfied with 'approximately' or even 'very close to exact' results.


May I ask if you could time acb's speed? You sure as hell can go make a Paladin and test or ask your Paladin friend. But do you really think others' information is reliable enough? Unfortunately, neither choice for me.

ABC speed is the same as blast speed. They both (should) equal the speed of brandish

I said minute. Not hours on end. I doubt you'll be able to do as many attacks as a red katana in a minute to begin with, sir, for you are using a damn spear.

Even slower speed could do as many as slightly more than 60 attacks per min, but meh, whatever. xP

And no, if I don't believe anyone why would I bother? Mind double-checking the words we used? Unfortunately, I only have a few Paladin friends, not all of whom should be dedicated enough to this matter as I am, not that you'd ever be aware of though xD

Regarding the acb example, just in case you didn't realise my implication, which I highly doubt (right?), it was merely an illustration to emphasize the fact that I can't test everything on my own. Then again, I think I was a bit vague about the idea, wasn't I?

Anyway, it would be in my best interest to keep this thread clean in case anyone might be willing to help me out, thank you for your contribution, which was telling me that I can time it myself, although I already acknowledge that xD

ABC speed is the same as blast speed. They both (should) equal the speed of brandish

Oh, I thought they were both SlashBlast's speed xD
Wait, or is Brandish as fast as those 3? Meh, I'm clueless o_O

Question: This is what I inferred from reading something like this: "Current table for attack speeds for all skills but final attack, crusher and dragon roar" => All warrior's skills (except the ones mentioned) have the same speed, and the speed outcome relies solely on the weapon's speed? Sry if it is actually obvious o-o, sometimes I'm slow xD

Question: This is what I inferred from reading something like this: "Current table for attack speeds for all skills but final attack, crusher and dragon roar" => All warrior's skills (except the ones mentioned) have the same speed, and the speed outcome relies solely on the weapon's speed? Sry if it is actually obvious o-o, sometimes I'm slow xD

All warrior skills (+normal attack) follow the speed table I posted earlier, apart from dragon roar, crusher and final attack.

Final attack is exactly 60% of the speed a normal attack would take.

Dragon roar's description is giving us either stun for 4-2 seconds, or 4-2 seconds + normal attack speed.

Crusher, I have no idea. I'd assume since it's most likely frame based, I can count frames and multiply with the amount of frames crusher do divided by the amount of frames a normal attack do to find the answer, will be checking it out when I bother to anyway, but I don't know when I'll bother to.

All warrior skills (+normal attack) follow the speed table I posted earlier, apart from dragon roar, crusher and final attack.

Final attack is exactly 60% of the speed a normal attack would take.

Dragon roar's description is giving us either stun for 4-2 seconds, or 4-2 seconds + normal attack speed.

Crusher, I have no idea. I'd assume since it's most likely frame based, I can count frames and multiply with the amount of frames crusher do divided by the amount of frames a normal attack do to find the answer, will be checking it out when I bother to anyway, but I don't know when I'll bother to.

I think I can do that, but do you have an confirmed information on Omega spear's and Redemption's speeds? Everyone knows they're both slow but I've more than often heard that OS is faster, probably it's Slow (6) and Redemption is Slow (7)?

Thanks for the table again, it really helps =)

I think I can do that, but do you have an confirmed information on Omega spear's and Redemption's speeds? Everyone knows they're both slow but I've more than often heard that OS is faster, probably it's Slow (6) and Redemption is Slow (7)?

Thanks for the table again, it really helps =)

Redemption is slow (8) and omega is slow (7). The (6) notation is used after normal, not slow.

Crusher. 3 hits:

Fastest(1), 48/60 sec/atk, exactly 75 attacks per minute.
Fastest(2), 48/60 sec/atk, exactly 75 attacks per minute.
Faster(3), 52/60 sec/atk, a little over 69 attacks per minute.
Fast(4), 56/60 sec/atk, a little over 64 attacks per minute.
Fast(5), 59/60 sec/atk, just a little over 61 attacks per minute.
Normal(6), 63/60 sec/atk, just a little over 57 attacks per minute.
Slow(7), 68/60 sec/atk, a little under 53 attacks per minute.
Slow(8), 71/60 sec/atk, giving 50.7 attacks per minute
Slowest(9), 75/60 sec/atk, giving out measily 48 attacks per minute.

Crusher. 3 hits:

Fastest(1), 48/60 sec/atk, exactly 75 attacks per minute.
Fastest(2), 48/60 sec/atk, exactly 75 attacks per minute.
Faster(3), 52/60 sec/atk, a little over 69 attacks per minute.
Fast(4), 56/60 sec/atk, a little over 64 attacks per minute.
Fast(5), 59/60 sec/atk, just a little over 61 attacks per minute.
Normal(6), 63/60 sec/atk, just a little over 57 attacks per minute.
Slow(7), 68/60 sec/atk, a little under 53 attacks per minute.
Slow(8), 71/60 sec/atk, giving 50.7 attacks per minute
Slowest(9), 75/60 sec/atk, giving out measily 48 attacks per minute.

Wow, amazing xD

And there was an update which increased the general speeds, were you aware? I think it was the same patch that improved skills. Do you have any record of before that time? I'm just curious how much it's changed over that amazing patch.

Wow, amazing xD

And there was an update which increased the general speeds, were you aware? I think it was the same patch that improved skills. Do you have any record of before that time? I'm just curious how much it's changed over that amazing patch.

I didn't record before that patch. Hell, I wasn't even aware that the speeds got changed with that patch (?!?!)

It was like 0.36 or something. Long time ago.

It was like 0.36 or something. Long time ago.

Wasn't it pretty recent? I remember it was the same as when Berserk got improved. I was overly worked-up about the new Berserk and my friend was the same about the new speed.

I was pretty sure it was farther back too.

If crusher's speed was changed, then the old one was 3/2 of normal attacks and the new one is 4/3 or so. I know I used to hear 50% slower for 3-hit Crusher.



Fast(4) [normal + booster] 2-hit Crusher is approximately 76-per-minute. Normal(6) 2-hit is around 68 per minute. These kinda match +4/60 seconds per attack, no real percentage. I can't record anything over 30fps reliably so I can't really get more accurate.

Hmm.. Maybe I wasn't sensitive enough about the speed change and realised it too late >.>

And I have a big favor to ask of any of you: Can someone please prove to me (supposing I am one very ignorant and stubborn listener) that there are 9 speed lvls and that booster removes 2 speed lvls?

EDIT: I already conducted some tests on my own, but they were not sufficient enough cause no one would believe my result >.>
Another guy also did his own research, winding up with the same result as mine and still refused to accept the new truth, lmao <.<