What2doNexon

How do players get mesos in the first place? Selling items they have/find. The more hackers flood the market, the less possible it is for players to find valuable items through legit methods. Prices go down on items players have as well as items hackers are selling.

It's good for the hackers because they get rich, it can also be good for the merchants who know prices better than hackers do - it's not good for the average player.

You are confusing dupers with botters. This thread is about hackers making crazy-stat equips and duping them. They are not going to flood the market with anything.
Botters are who make mesos and previously valuable items like scrolls and pieces-of-time near worthless.

Anyway, I agree with happylight. Some of you guys are overreacting as happens whenever something like this comes up.
Only a tiny percentage of players will be willing and able to pay $500 for a glove. For the average player, it is of no more concern that whatever Ferraris are currently selling for. The people who do buy this stuff keep to themselves (Birds of a feather stick together). I will never cross paths with them.

Not to mention cubing to perfection gets so pointless only the most stupid of all idiots would do it. Every item will come with 32932 attack and be at unique already, duped and not netting Nexon a dime. From their standpoint as well as all from us who ever cubed anything, that is bad. Why the hell would I, or anybody for that matter, cube our full 140 sets to legendary when the stats we get out of it is a piss in the Nile compared to what will be common end game equips unless nexon acts? It leaves us to either join or leave. I will quit since I refuse to touch illegitimate crap like that.

Not to mention it would be plain stupid to make any kind of investment, time or money, in a game where the management shows us how little they value their own product. In the name of profit, let the missfits not only rule the game, but also how the profit is generated. Forget everything about corporate pride. Money talks.

This has been my exact mind set since April of last year lol

@above

Did you purposely neglect my post because that's entirely the problem, they'll provide massive supply for equipment that makes everything else useless and worthless. Explain to me how I can sell my gear when I paid, not an exaggeration, 100x more for it than the NPC value it is now worth.

Supply and demand, its basic people.

You are confusing dupers with botters. This thread is about hackers making crazy-stat equips and duping them. They are not going to flood the market with anything.
Botters are who make mesos and previously valuable items like scrolls and pieces-of-time near worthless.

Only they have already claimed to have hoards of mules full with all these equips, ready to sell. Ignorance and keeping to one self is only going to carry so far. It is a bloody mmorpg and as such noone can escape. Especially not if one would like to enjoy the full content.

1/4/12
The day Global Maplestory died.

The death of old bad MapleStory, the birth of an all new totally cool MapleStory.

MapleStory: Rebirth!

@MissingLink, these items will be set to a price where people will buy them, that's the point of selling something. If you don't market it at a price the buyers can justify spending, you make no money.

You have to look at it as how other players are affected.

Hackers holding godly equips -> Does not affect anyone.
Hackers becoming 200 -> Does not affect anyone.
Hackers taking up training spots -> Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train.

More godly/duped equips in the market -> Good for everyone since prices will be cheaper.
More duped mesos in the market -> Bad for everyone since prices will be more expensive.

Nexon knows how to run an MMO. Look how fast they take the game down when there's an meso exploit. Those of you who say Nexon should take the game down while they figure this out have no idea how to run a game. Taking the game down affects EVERYONE. Some hackers holding ill-gotten items, while having insane stats, affects no one.

You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack.
You're implying these items will not stick around longer than the Familiar hack.
You're implying these items are small enough in number to be basically nonexistent.
You're implying these items will be cheap.
You're implying LHC isn't already hacked 24/7 by that spawn rate thing, and that Future-land isn't vac'd 24/7 by botters.
You're implying the funding hackers will get from selling these items won't fund them to do even more.
You're implying somebody with these items can't "Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train." as they come in and KO your map with their overly-high damage.

I could go on if you want. I not trying to be cruel, but you really aren't thinking *ahead*. If nexon came in and plugged up both hacks right now, which one would affect the game's community more? More level 200's, an achievement hit by people daily by abusing LHC hack even without the Familiar hack's help? Or items that will continue to plague whatever's left of the economy and player gear balance relative to other players?

The death of old bad MapleStory, the birth of an all new totally cool MapleStory.

MapleStory: Rebirth!

hacked gear too strong, even black mage is scared?

You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack.
I'm not. They will and it would be better for everyone if everyone is stronger.

You're implying these items will not stick around longer than the Familiar hack.
I'm not. They will and it would be better for everyone if everyone is stronger.

You're implying these items are small enough in number to be basically nonexistent.
Again. I'm not and quite the opposite.

You're implying these items will be cheap.
They will not be cheap. But they will cause all other items to be cheaper.

You're implying LHC isn't already hacked 24/7 by that spawn rate thing, and that Future-land isn't vac'd 24/7 by botters.
Spawn rate increase only benefits everyone. Therefore don't care.

You're implying the funding hackers will get from selling these items won't fund them to do even more.
I don't care if someone is rich. Neither should anyone IMO.

You're implying somebody with these items can't "Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train." as they come in and KO your map with their overly-high damage.
If anything the average player can better defend themselves because everything else is cheaper. Monsters only have so much HP and being stronger after a point has diminishing returns.

I could go on if you want. I not trying to be cruel, but you really aren't thinking *ahead*.
You're the one who's not thinking in terms of everybody. You're only thinking in terms of your own sense of morality. I got news for you. This isn't good vs evil, nor legits vs hackers, nor us vs them. There is no such thing as justice. Bad things don't necessarily happen to bad people. Murderers and rapists go free everyday. I'm not saying we shouldn't catch them or that we shouldn't fix exploits. I'm saying preventing everyone on the planet from working while the police is trying to catch someone who stole to become a billionaire is silly.

There is no such thing as justice.

I'm amazed that some people think an mmorpg will be fun if everybody runs around with the exact same gear, gotten the exact same way, with the exact same stats. And that is not even touching the cheat aspect of it. Not to mention a game without certain rules become a playground for retarded babies. It can probably be fun for a while, but it has absolutely no future as a profit generating game. Anarchy is only profitable for those that sell the weapons to the idiots.

Edit: I seldom feel the need to give out Internet points, but that was pretty nice maplefreak26. +1.

It's funny, i play this game completely solo. I don't do party quests, i don't do pvp, i don't do bossing or any of that crap, i just play because i enjoy playing. Hell, i never even use the free market unless it's absolutely necessary.

You're my long lost Khaini twin! I love you!

happylight I'm not going to bother arguing what an economy is to you, but I will say this:
If you truly believe that you shouldn't care about the LHC spawn rate because it affects everybody in a good way, then A) you have never been there during x2, B) you should also not care about Familiar hacks since all they do is expedite the process, and C) You seem to have forgotten that proper pacing is important to a video game.

I must admit, I laughed at the Justice speech though. For somebody complaining about how a specific hack is bad and should be dealt with, to then turn around and call somebody out for believing a different hack is also a problem, calling them misguided, is absolutely hilarious.

You see JUSTICE. I see MAFIA.

A cousin of mine just came from China and I asked him if he's heard about MapleStory. He does know the Chinese name and said that no one in china plays it anymore because it is too easy to/too many cheat/hack...I'm beginning to feel the same.

You're beginning to feel the same?

You see JUSTICE. I see MAFIA.

Mind = Blown.

@MissingLink, these items will be set to a price where people will buy them, that's the point of selling something. If you don't market it at a price the buyers can justify spending, you make no money.



You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack.
You're implying these items will not stick around longer than the Familiar hack.
You're implying these items are small enough in number to be basically nonexistent.
You're implying these items will be cheap.
You're implying LHC isn't already hacked 24/7 by that spawn rate thing, and that Future-land isn't vac'd 24/7 by botters.
You're implying the funding hackers will get from selling these items won't fund them to do even more.
You're implying somebody with these items can't "Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train." as they come in and KO your map with their overly-high damage.

I could go on if you want. I not trying to be cruel, but you really aren't thinking *ahead*. If nexon came in and plugged up both hacks right now, which one would affect the game's community more? More level 200's, an achievement hit by people daily by abusing LHC hack even without the Familiar hack's help? Or items that will continue to plague whatever's left of the economy and player gear balance relative to other players?

Everything happylight posted was on-point, except the opinionated ones about things being good/bad. You're bending the meaning of happylight's words when you say something like "You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack." This was in response to "Hackers holding godly equips -> Does not affect anyone." Merely holding godly equips does not affect anyone, so happylight is correct. There are no assumptions or implications being made, it's just a fact. The counter arguments you're providing are taking happylight's points out of context.

This thread is about hackers making crazy-stat equips and duping them. They are not going to flood the market with anything.

Really?

Let's look at an example, people said the same thing when a 35 att vss was revealed and everyone was worrying about their 27 atts deflating on basilmarket.

27 att VSS awhile ago (these were selling faster than hotcakes btw):



35 att VSS today:



So the players who spent 86,100 NX on the 27 att VSS now have their purchase deflated and will have to spend
86,100 more NX in order to keep up with those who have the 'new' 35 att VSS.

This trend will just keep repeating itself.

Only a tiny percentage of players will be willing and able to pay $500 for a glove. For the average player, it is of no more concern that whatever Ferraris are currently selling for.

No, they won't remain at $500.

People used to smega dragon mounts for 120-150k NX.

Now they're struggling trying to sell them at 25-30k NX. =/

@Above, and once the next wave comes out, they will have to upgrade again. Really hackers are almost worse than Nexon. We all know that Nexon likes to continually upgrade to the next tier of broken items so everyone has to buy lots of nx and upgrade, well the hackers are even worse. We know from Vlad that the hackers release the equips in waves, there is no way that you can say that this exploit does not negatively affect this game. It's pretty ignorant to claim it makes it better for everyone.

I'm amazed that some people think an mmorpg will be fun if everybody runs around with the exact same gear, gotten the exact same way, with the exact same stats. And that is not even touching the cheat aspect of it. Not to mention a game without certain rules become a playground for retarded babies. It can probably be fun for a while, but it has absolutely no future as a profit generating game. Anarchy is only profitable for those that sell the weapons to the idiots.

This. It is blowing me away that people are acting like this is a good thing. Sure items become cheaper and everyone gets stronger, but that is not a legit way to become better at this game. Who wants everyone to get stronger? By that logic, everyone might as well just stay at the same place. Using the excuse that everyone can damage whore more easily should not make this exploit ok or percieved as benecifical/good for maplestory. The hackers get richer, everyone else pays the price. What happened to playing this game as it was meant to be played?

Everything happylight posted was on-point, except the opinionated ones about things being good/bad. You're bending the meaning of happylight's words when you say something like "You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack." This was in response to "Hackers holding godly equips -> Does not affect anyone." Merely holding godly equips does not affect anyone, so happylight is correct. There are no assumptions or implications being made, it's just a fact. The counter arguments you're providing are taking happylight's points out of context.

That's absolutely wrong. It does affect you because it creates a standard, it's already shown they have a huge supply which creates a demand. Even if you don't buy it or associate with those people it will cause one big thing:

Massive meso deflation. How much does a monster drop now? 200-500 mesos? Imagine trying to get 2.1b from just drops!. You know why? Because even if you made a perfect level 140 item, its worthless. People will be investing in the supply of godly gear they won't settle for less.

Even if you DID fork over because you're not a damage freak and you want to be all mature and whatever, you might as well perma lock it because the resell value will be insignificant. Imagine trying to resell a perfect level 43 maple weapon. How much do you think you can get for that? Break even? haha good luck.

It isn't like it matters to them, from what I know they easily make $10,000+/month together.
There will ALWAYS be people who spend a pomegranate ton of USD for equips, and that is why they continue to do so. One of them have told me that they wouldn't be doing this if it didn't mean USD for them.

Well they're finally doing something. Hopefully this time it works better than last time (608s, 301s, etc)