Elemental Staves & Wands Known Issue

So...out of curiosity...where does this put us in terms of the value/benefit of the lvl 163 elemental staves?

Impossible to give an honest answer since we expect them to potentially be changed again depending on what this "compensation" is.

Impossible to give an honest answer since we expect them to potentially be changed again depending on what this "compensation" is.

[COLOR="Teal"]So does that mean we should hold on to any elemental weapons we have so far?

Cause I remember the lvl 163 staves were unwanted, but still rare as hell back then while everyone wanted the wands instead due to lukless builds.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Teal"]So does that mean we should hold on to any elemental weapons we have so far?

Cause I remember the lvl 163 staves were unwanted, but still rare as hell back then while everyone wanted the wands instead due to lukless builds.[/COLOR]

With the rebalancing still going on in KMS and this mystery meat here it's pretty much a crap shoot. Do whichever you will kick yourself for the least based on all reasonable outcomes. For me that's holding on to what I have until I know it's garbage.

And I'll keep it past then anyway for sentimental (and permaguard) reasons.

With the rebalancing still going on in KMS and this mystery meat here it's pretty much a crap shoot. Do whichever you will kick yourself for the least based on all reasonable outcomes. For me that's holding on to what I have until I know it's garbage.

And I'll keep it past then anyway for sentimental (and permaguard) reasons.

[COLOR="Teal"]Thing is I have absolutely no use for it anymore. +2 HTP is gone. Archmage is gone. =/
Even if I keep it I doubt I'll ever get a mage up to that high of a level/luk to use it again.[/COLOR]

Has Big Bang been changed to be non-elemental again?

if the big bang skill work just like battle mage blow skill i wouldn't have a problem with it. there blow skill work just like big bang and they don't have to charge it and the range is much better. serously il mages are a joke now even a dawn warrior/ db or evan can ks us. with the ap reset i max big bang, but i hardly ever use it, so with the 2nd hot itme even i got another ap reset so i max mr. i rould rather use a 3rd job skill ice strike to train, one it can hit 2 tiers 2 better range and also it freeze and last no charging it. so how are balance when other classes has more mob skills thn we do, besides ice strike and cl what other way we have of training big bang skill is terrible id you can really train with that, well that's our only 2 usefull skills

if the big bang skill work just like battle mage blow skill i wouldn't have a problem with it. there blow skill work just like big bang and they don't have to charge it and the range is much better. serously il mages are a joke now even a dawn warrior/ db or evan can ks us. with the ap reset i max big bang, but i hardly ever use it, so with the 2nd hot itme even i got another ap reset so i max mr. i rould rather use a 3rd job skill ice strike to train, one it can hit 2 tiers 2 better range and also it freeze and last no charging it. so how are balance when other classes has more mob skills thn we do, besides ice strike and cl what other way we have of training big bang skill is terrible id you can really train with that, well that's our only 2 usefull skills

How is #blow anything like big bang? They're 2 completely different skills. >_>

[COLOR="Teal"]So does that mean we should hold on to any elemental weapons we have so far?

Cause I remember the lvl 163 staves were unwanted, but still rare as hell back then while everyone wanted the wands instead due to lukless builds.[/COLOR]

Some were saying that the staffs would be in much demand for Battle Mages due to their fast attack speed.

At above (Kalovale): Big Bang is supposed to be lightning element, though I've never used it enough to know for sure. Or do mean that KMS may have changed it since?

i was quite disappointed to find i would not be able to increase the lightning attack powers of my new i/l mage through the great magical powers of an elemental staff or wand. the balance excuse is quite convincing though, to them at least.




of course they are not "broken", they are still a fully functional class, but this weapon nerf comes without reason and i'm sure it is not likely to be fixed. it really does hold mages back from keeping up with other classes damage wise though (even with the bonus in place i'm sure they'd still be blown away by other classes).

oh well.

I was arguing that they were not broken as in "OP." Believe me, I don't like this major nerf either, not one bit.

Have you seen an I/L with CL?



1) It was put back to its rightful place. You have a bajillion other moves - use them.
2) It was buffed in other ways. The bounce damage reduction was raised from 66% to 90% and the damage was vastly increased. You already have a skill which can hit 6 mobs. You didn't need 2. And CL is great for bossing.
3) So BB was buffed and that's a bad thing?
4) General, sweeping opinion.

Have you ever actually played a 4th job mage? Before or after BB?

'cause if you did, you'd know those "million other moves" we've got are all completely useless. Ice Demon is slow as hell and since dps is most important in EVERY SITUATION EVER in maplestory, one is better off sticking with CL. Ifrit/Elquines are both completely useless. I guess against bosses they're sort of okay but any other time they just get in the way, occasionally keeping monsters around long after they're dead because of weird delays. Big Bang is pineappleing bullpomegranate. There is no other way to put that. GET HIT WHILE RELEASING BB? CANCELED! JUMP WHILE CASTING BB? CANCELED! SOMEONE WALKS THROUGH THE ROOM AND LOOKS AT YOU FUNNY? CANCELED! THE MOON AND SUN ARE PERFECTLY ALLIGNED? Well, that's enough to make it work. But almost only that. And Blizzard is not a viable training skill. This is just my opinion, though. If I launch it I can only kill half the mobs I've pissed off before they unfreeze and start pounding on me. What good is that? It's not a 1hko unless you've got it maxed and you probably won't have it maxed until VERY LATE given how useless it is.

So yeah, we don't have a BAJILLION OTHER MOVES. We have one good attacking skill in 4th job and a bunch of really useless ones. And that one skill is severely underpowered.

And no, it's not that I'm just inflexible and only want to stick with one attack. I'm playing a BaM right now and am constantly comboing between QuinBlow, Chains and Dark. I have no problem with using multiple skills when ANY OF THEM ARE GOOD AT ALL.

Well considering my mage has no staff or wand, since I have a level 70 Elemental wand.. and I sold and lent my staff out... Lets just say it is impossible to get a staff of the same stats since I am now insanely poor. Yay to using a crappy now useless wand because of Nexon being hopeless as usual..

well hey, now i can use an orb of fire on my bishop! ^_^

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trollers b trollin'

Have you ever actually played a 4th job mage? Before or after BB?

'cause if you did, you'd know those "million other moves" we've got are all completely useless. Ice Demon is slow as hell and since dps is most important in EVERY SITUATION EVER in maplestory, one is better off sticking with CL. Ifrit/Elquines are both completely useless. I guess against bosses they're sort of okay but any other time they just get in the way, occasionally keeping monsters around long after they're dead because of weird delays. Big Bang is pineappleing bullpomegranate. There is no other way to put that. GET HIT WHILE RELEASING BB? CANCELED! JUMP WHILE CASTING BB? CANCELED! SOMEONE WALKS THROUGH THE ROOM AND LOOKS AT YOU FUNNY? CANCELED! THE MOON AND SUN ARE PERFECTLY ALLIGNED? Well, that's enough to make it work. But almost only that. And Blizzard is not a viable training skill. This is just my opinion, though. If I launch it I can only kill half the mobs I've pissed off before they unfreeze and start pounding on me. What good is that? It's not a 1hko unless you've got it maxed and you probably won't have it maxed until VERY LATE given how useless it is.

So yeah, we don't have a BAJILLION OTHER MOVES. We have one good attacking skill in 4th job and a bunch of really useless ones. And that one skill is severely underpowered.

And no, it's not that I'm just inflexible and only want to stick with one attack. I'm playing a BaM right now and am constantly comboing between QuinBlow, Chains and Dark. I have no problem with using multiple skills when ANY OF THEM ARE GOOD AT ALL.

The only time Big Bang gets cancelled is if you get bumped right before you release it. There's no other reason for it to happen. Why are you trying to use it in midair?

Meteor is super-effective against the mobs in R5 so I can 1hko mobs at R5 with 20 Meteor; I find it pretty useful but of course you won't if you can't 1hko with Blizzard. I do 200k+ on neutral regardless and when I'm hunting lower level monsters it's still great for immediately clearing out a spawn.

I do find that 90% of my damage comes from Paralyze + Teleport, though. I wish Fire Demon wasn't so fucking useless. It was my main training attack (when not spamming Meteor) pre-BB and I had it maxed, but now I reset it to 1. Kind of miffed about that, since F/P books are impossible to find and the only 4th job skill I have maxed at level 156 is Infinity.