2012-07-07, 09:45 PM
For the record;
If an immovable object is hit by an unstoppable force what happens is deflection.
If for example a ball that could not be stopped hits a pillar that can not be moved one of the following two would occur;
If the 'unstobbale' does not refer to movement in a straight line it would deflect off and continue moving.
If the 'unstoppable' also arbitrarily requires that it can not be impeded in the direction it were moving the mass containing the immovable object would be pivoted on the point of the immovable object. Using the ball/pole example and a planet, the immovable pole would function as an axis, itself remaining stationary while the rest of the planet shifted.
If the unmovable object were sufficiently large enough, say a mitt, and the unstoppable object a ball aimed right at it, one of the two objects would annihilate the other depending on which was the sturdier. Assuming both have equally infinitely powerful thrust holding/moving them, it's pretty much a moot point since physics doesn't provide a way for it to ever be a feasible scenario since we can not create anything with virtually infinite power or virtually indestructible.
And yes, an omnipotent being can create an object they can't lift/move/interact with. Because that's simply a matter of them choosing not to. They should even be able to create an object they're not aware of, simply by choosing to be unaware of that item. Being omnipotent would also mean they could later choose to change their mind and reclaim that ability, or forget that they had done it in the first place to prevent themselves from being able to reclaim it, or prevent themselves from reclaiming it. Omnipotent really does mean omnipotent. I've never understood why people have trouble with that concept.
And really none of this has anything to do with whether or not a deity exists; still arguing attributes of the deity, not the existence thereof.
If you write a virtual reality, ala The Sims, and are running it in debug mode using an interpreted language and snapshotted isolation for full rewind, is there anything you can't do to it? Seems you'd be pretty ominipotent to your virtual peeps.
If an immovable object is hit by an unstoppable force what happens is deflection.
If for example a ball that could not be stopped hits a pillar that can not be moved one of the following two would occur;
If the 'unstobbale' does not refer to movement in a straight line it would deflect off and continue moving.
If the 'unstoppable' also arbitrarily requires that it can not be impeded in the direction it were moving the mass containing the immovable object would be pivoted on the point of the immovable object. Using the ball/pole example and a planet, the immovable pole would function as an axis, itself remaining stationary while the rest of the planet shifted.
If the unmovable object were sufficiently large enough, say a mitt, and the unstoppable object a ball aimed right at it, one of the two objects would annihilate the other depending on which was the sturdier. Assuming both have equally infinitely powerful thrust holding/moving them, it's pretty much a moot point since physics doesn't provide a way for it to ever be a feasible scenario since we can not create anything with virtually infinite power or virtually indestructible.
And yes, an omnipotent being can create an object they can't lift/move/interact with. Because that's simply a matter of them choosing not to. They should even be able to create an object they're not aware of, simply by choosing to be unaware of that item. Being omnipotent would also mean they could later choose to change their mind and reclaim that ability, or forget that they had done it in the first place to prevent themselves from being able to reclaim it, or prevent themselves from reclaiming it. Omnipotent really does mean omnipotent. I've never understood why people have trouble with that concept.
And really none of this has anything to do with whether or not a deity exists; still arguing attributes of the deity, not the existence thereof.
DrRusty Wrote:God's attribute is the reason the argument is flawed.... Because it's impossible to be ALL-powerful. We're going around in a circle here
If you write a virtual reality, ala The Sims, and are running it in debug mode using an interpreted language and snapshotted isolation for full rewind, is there anything you can't do to it? Seems you'd be pretty ominipotent to your virtual peeps.
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.