2012-07-07, 08:13 PM
The catch-22 of this thread (and all religious vs. non-religious debates) is that the non-religious side seeks to prove by disproving with the means of logic.
This form of proof is often enough for many things in life; particularly topics in the fields of mathematics or science, where concrete answers are often achievable within the realms of the "rules" we place ourselves in.
When discussing religion, which is a belief, it is simply not enough to prove by disproving. As you stated in the OP - the bible on which said religion is based on is a logical contradiction in and of itself. If this fact were universally accepted to "disprove" said religion / the existence of said God, then we wouldn't have religious people.
The issue arises with the fact that said religious people don't base their beliefs off the logical system with which you attempt to tackle this issue. This is in no way meant to be offensive to believers - it is the simple truth. A belief is really just a theory, which is usually rooted in some sort of logical argument. But for this particular topic, said belief is irrational in terms of pure logic. But there are other factors at play - mainly emotions, and again, the belief that humans are not all-knowing, and our accepted logic system can't be used to solve some very complex questions (such as, Is there a God?).
This form of proof is often enough for many things in life; particularly topics in the fields of mathematics or science, where concrete answers are often achievable within the realms of the "rules" we place ourselves in.
When discussing religion, which is a belief, it is simply not enough to prove by disproving. As you stated in the OP - the bible on which said religion is based on is a logical contradiction in and of itself. If this fact were universally accepted to "disprove" said religion / the existence of said God, then we wouldn't have religious people.
The issue arises with the fact that said religious people don't base their beliefs off the logical system with which you attempt to tackle this issue. This is in no way meant to be offensive to believers - it is the simple truth. A belief is really just a theory, which is usually rooted in some sort of logical argument. But for this particular topic, said belief is irrational in terms of pure logic. But there are other factors at play - mainly emotions, and again, the belief that humans are not all-knowing, and our accepted logic system can't be used to solve some very complex questions (such as, Is there a God?).