A frank and open dialogue about hacking

Humans are humans. People do it here today. The Ban Appeal forum is full of people asking why so and so didn't get banned when they did.
No doubt the infraction appeal forum will soon be too.

It comes with the territory. May I ask how many accounts get banned every month or so on average? It can't be that much to give you guys a horrible headache having to deal with appeals, but I totally understand what you're saying.

The measurements you tried to give were not objective in the slightest. They just automatically assume that anyone who has anything better than what you consider acceptable is illegit and punishes for it. Worse, they have no way to appeal that sort of "crime" - How do you prove something wasn't made illegally short of having a video of the creation of every item you ever touch all the way back to the origin of every scroll you personally hand farmed?

If a person with 10 completely legit GM scrolls still has them on an old account, those ten turning to untradable fall by the wayside with the millions of duped versions of them. That's the only unobjective/unfair part of my illegit measurements talking game-wise. For forum-wise, the uncertainty of a screenshot showing 10 such scrolls being illegit or legit may warrant that post as potentially slipping through the cracks. Posts with 301s, 608s, dominator pendants have no possible way of being disputed as being something other than illegit, Nexon doesn't just give them away. I understand that everything else that's commonly duped is not completely obvious, but it's obvious enough.

"How do you prove something wasn't made illegally short of having a video of the creation of every item you ever touch all the way back to the origin of every scroll you personally hand farmed?" You can't. But you'd have to trust your instincts and common knowledge to gather an assessment, just like a tiger deciding which wildebeast of two standing next to each other makes for easier prey. I know anyone handling this type of thing can't be completely objective, but no one can be. What matters is whether or not they'd try to be to the best of their ability. I think the mods qualify as such from my perspective.

Expecting us to police what Nexon can't is absurd. It's their game, it's their issue. They need to be the ones to fix it, not us playing whack a mole trying to pretend it's something we can even begin to impact.

Completely justifiable. I don't expect it, but I think the 5 or so people (LOL) who share my views on this would be appreciative of it, and it would impact SP, at least, positively when all is said, done and routine. I'll end it here. There's probably no need to keep pushing this argument one way or the other for either of us.