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Post-RED Shadower Build.
After looking at people talking about most effective combos for shaodwers I decided to look into it further. I would like to look more closely at Assassinate. I will make some underlying assumptions that are false to begin with. I will take the combat scenario of a single immobile target. I will assume that mesos droped by PP instantly detonates for all combos except Assassinate. I will also assume that the time it takes to case Dark sight and then Assassinate w/o the 4th hit takes the same time it does to preform Boomerang step followed by Carnival edge. Each set of attacks can be normalized to this as an attack frame, or one set of combos.

For this analysis I will assume a 5% crit rate with a crit range of 120% to 150%, I will also assume that all hits are average; additionally , it should be noted that Assassinate does not crit with the exception of the last hit.

Dark sight + Assassinate (no 4th hit)
0.95 * (7.4 * 2.5 * 3 * 1.7) => 89.63 or 8,963%

Bstep + Carnival edge and instant exploding PP
0.95*(7.1*2*1.7+1.22*1.25*8*1.7+16*2.97)*((0.05*0.35)+1) => 89.31 or 8,931%

With these initial (and false) assumptions it would suggest some margin between Assassinate and the BS+CE+ME combo. This would suggest that these exists an effective damage range for which all values below are best suited to use Assassinate. Because of the damage cap there exists some effective damage range which Bstep + CE is more effective. This rough model would also suggest any increases in Crit damage or rate will place Bstep + CE + ME to be better; despite this keep in mind that I am assuming all PPed mesos are instantly exploding. Realistically the time to cast DS + Assassinate – 4th is faster than the Bstep + CE + ME combo. Now suppose that It was only Meso explosion.

Meso Explosion –
(0.95*15*2.97)* ((0.05*0.35)+1) => 43.06 or 4,306%
But ME is pretty fast right? So lets double that to one attack frame: 86.12 or 8,612%
This still fall short of the one Assassinate attack frames damage. This would suggest under the given conditions purely using assassinate is the way to go. However if ME can be cast more than 2 times per one DS + Assassinate then ME is still worth the trouble.

Thus far I have been looking at this from only a % standpoint. Because these exists a damage cap Assassinate will reach this before the other combos. With these given conditions that damage range is just under 60k (assuming PP mesos instant explode). So in reality the margin between the two could be much greater- this would suggest also that for some set range even when hitting max damage on Assassinate, Assassinate is a better choice- until other combos catch up.

Please feel free to point out any massive mistakes I have made in this analysis- other than the false assumptions I had made at the start.
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Post-RED Shadower Build. - by Locked - 2010-11-14, 03:40 PM
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