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what the fu.ck
Lomelindel Wrote:It's pretty ironic how you continually accuse me of not reading the arguments, when you continue to either misunderstand or refuse to engage what I'm trying to say.

If the discussion is about whether spending money on Nexon is a waste because they fail to secure the game, then in order to discuss it, we can consider the arguments for and against such proposition, yes? What I'm saying is that it is not necessarily a waste of money because, despite Nexon's failure to secure the game as we'd like, there is still value to their games for reasons I have already mentioned. What I was trying to say is that spending money on Nexon for the game's entertainment value cannot be dismissed in considering whether it's a waste of money to spend money on Nexon, even if the game's not very secure. I'm just pointing out it's a cost-benefit analysis that we all do.

If what you mean by "discussion" is for people to just agree with what you're saying, i.e. for people to pat each other the back and murmur that "the game is quite bad, it's just a waste of money", "yes yes, quite right my good fellow" then, IMHO, that's not really a discussion.

While spending money on Nexon does have its entertainment values, you fail to understand how poor of a job they do to secure the game. When you purchase something, you're expecting to get full value out of it. But this is not the case with Nexon. Since they fail to enhance the security of their games in any way whatsoever, by spending a large quantity of money, you're putting a "Hey, hack me now!" sign over your head for the hackers. And these hackers will succeed in obtaining your account information, and take whatever entertainment value you hope to get out from giving money to them for themselves. When you're spending money on online games for entertainment, you're not expecting the entertainment that you've rightfully purchased to go to the people that want to steal it off of you, you're expecting the entertainment to go to yourself and whoever else you want it to go to.

Think of Nexon as a jewelry shop (because jewelry is something people will steal), and their inability to secure the game as them setting up their shop in the middle of a ghetto with an extremely high crime rate; they care enough to secure the money you've spent, but they don't care enough about what happens to the item after you bought it from them. Now, for the sake of argument, let's say that they are legally allowed to set up this shop in the ghetto. When you walk out of the jewelry shop, guess what happens? You get robbed, and all value you hope to get from the jewelry is gone. You complain to the shop, but what do they care? They have your money, and that's all they need. Now, if people keep buying from this shop over and over again, and they get robbed over and over again, and they complain and do nothing else, the shop still won't care. They don't give a damn about you expecting to get whatever value you expect to get, they only care about the money. And when people do this over and over again, do you think that the shop will care? No, they have their money, why should they care about you when they know other people will buy their jewelry. Why should they care about you, the consumer expecting to get value off of their products, when you're throwing money at them? Their business model is successful and takes little effort to maintain, and when someone decides to throw a large amount of money at them, do you think they'll use this money to improve their business? Of course not, as using money to improve their business is frankly a waste of cash, and there's much better things to do with that cash, like buying a private jet. And what's even better is that the majority of their customers aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, so they know that their customers will continue throw money at them while doing little to nothing to have them change their business model into something where the customer gets entertainment equal to or greater than the money they spent. Get it?

When you're giving money to Nexon, you are encouraging them to maintain this behavior; you are encouraging them to not improve themselves, you are encouraging them to continue putting giant "HEY I SPENT MONEY ON THIS GAME, HACKERS TAKE EVERYTHING I HAVE SO THAT ALL ENTERTAINMENT VALUE I HOPE TO GET FROM THIS GAME WILL GO TO YOU GUYS. YEAHHHHHHH" sign on your forehead in big, bold, red letters. You say that there's merit in getting entertainment from Nexon after spending money on them, but what you fail to realize is that the entertainment value you expect to get will go to OTHER people that will steal from you in a heartbeat. Not you. If they actually did a great job maintaining their game's security while doing poorly on everything else, your argument would be valid. But when other people will steal the entertainment that you've bought and that you're expecting to get, well then, something's seriously wrong. If you still think that getting entertainment from a company that doesn't give a damn about what happens after your purchase is worth it, well then, keep telling yourself that. When people continue to purchase entertainment from Nexon, especially when they throw large amounts of money at them consistently, you are encouraging them to keep doing what they're doing. And looking at Nexon's general consumer population, I don't think they'll realize that they're supporting incompetency and that whatever entertainment they expect from giving money to Nexon will go to the people that choose to exploit the company's security flaws for their own personal benefit.

The only entertainment value you get from throwing money as Nexon is the entertainment value of the people that hack you in order to obtain whatever entertainment the hacked person expected to obtain get, and that is that.

EDIT: While you can say that you can entertainment value from meeting/talking to the people in the game, that doesn't require money. You don't need money for this, and anyone that you've met that requires something that signifies that you've spent money on the game in order to have a social interaction with them isn't someone worth talking to.
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