2011-11-25, 07:28 PM
Birdie Wrote:edit: also with trynd im pretty sure crit runes are no longer the way to go but gonna look into that.
I was just talking to z3rg3m3n in-game just now; he told me that crit runes are not the best for him after he was reworked. (I also had the same question too, and wanted clarification from a top-ELO Tryndamere player)
My chat with him
WillDaSnail: yep I saw
WillDaSnail: hey I have a few questions for ya
WillDaSnail: regarding Trynd; mind if you answer them?
z3rg3m3n: go for it
WillDaSnail: what's the viability of using a full crit chance page on trynd?
WillDaSnail: like...in other words, how effective is it?
WillDaSnail: just wanted some input
z3rg3m3n: not very effective.
z3rg3m3n: that's wha tI used to run
z3rg3m3n: pre-rework
z3rg3m3n: and post-rework
z3rg3m3n: I tried it out
z3rg3m3n: and it's just
z3rg3m3n: terrible
z3rg3m3n: like terrible terrible
WillDaSnail: can you elaborate? lol
z3rg3m3n: well
z3rg3m3n: Tryn has a few issues post-rework
z3rg3m3n: brb
z3rg3m3n: 1sec
WillDaSnail: kk
z3rg3m3n: back
z3rg3m3n: sorry about that
z3rg3m3n: anyway
WillDaSnail: np
z3rg3m3n: here are the main issues with a crit chance page
z3rg3m3n: 1) top, you will be facing a tanky char who will most likely stack armor in runes/items/masteries
z3rg3m3n: so basically
z3rg3m3n: post-rework, the dmg steroid and crit dmg were massively reduced
z3rg3m3n: add on to that the fact that you're gonna be facing a very tanky char
z3rg3m3n: and your crits basically do 0 damage
z3rg3m3n: that was a huge thing about the rework.
WillDaSnail: ah....
z3rg3m3n: also
z3rg3m3n: Tryn has the issue of always being harassed in lane
z3rg3m3n: in fact
z3rg3m3n: many champs can zone him or make him very cautious
z3rg3m3n: which is why
z3rg3m3n: having resistances in runes
z3rg3m3n: is very beneficial
WillDaSnail: ah gotcha...
WillDaSnail: hmm
z3rg3m3n: same with movespeed
z3rg3m3n: good for positioning
z3rg3m3n: etc
z3rg3m3n: and yknow
z3rg3m3n: arpen is just for the dmg
WillDaSnail: true..
z3rg3m3n: you end up
z3rg3m3n: doing a LOT more dmg
z3rg3m3n: with arpen
z3rg3m3n: than crit chance
z3rg3m3n: furthermore
z3rg3m3n: your crit is now based on rage
z3rg3m3n: you get 35%
z3rg3m3n: so there's no real reason to stack more crit
z3rg3m3n: it's a hefty amount to be sure
z3rg3m3n: I'm personally loving the most recent changes
z3rg3m3n: I think Tryn is balanced now
WillDaSnail: ah gotcha
WillDaSnail: its just recently he has been the subject of forum QQing
WillDaSnail: people don't know how to counter him/play against him? o.o
z3rg3m3n: I'm used to it
z3rg3m3n: lol
z3rg3m3n: and yeah
z3rg3m3n: they don't
WillDaSnail: mm
WillDaSnail: even though i bought my full crit chance runes already, is it still OK to still use it on trynd
WillDaSnail: once in a while for the lulz?
WillDaSnail: (even though its not viable anymore, like you said)
z3rg3m3n: well
z3rg3m3n: you can do anything for the lulz
z3rg3m3n: I sometimies play ap tryn for lulz
z3rg3m3n: I mean
WillDaSnail: oh gawd haha
z3rg3m3n: you can do whatever as long as you have fun and don't ruin peoples' games, right?
WillDaSnail: yeah I guess xD
z3rg3m3n: That's the point of playing non-ranked
z3rg3m3n: or even ranked.
z3rg3m3n: I'm trying to be competitive in my new team LC
z3rg3m3n: so it's a bit different for me
z3rg3m3n: since we play for money
WillDaSnail: ah gotcha
WillDaSnail: hm alrighty, I think I'll give your build a shot sometime xD
WillDaSnail: also, I read about your views about the use of Yomuu's Ghostblade; is it still a great item on him?
z3rg3m3n: uhmm
z3rg3m3n: yup
z3rg3m3n: nothing has changed
z3rg3m3n: items-wise
WillDaSnail: but rushing it first not a good idea? (I sometimes do it)
z3rg3m3n: it's fine
z3rg3m3n: I think it should be rushed
WillDaSnail: oh okay
z3rg3m3n: if you're buying it at all
WillDaSnail: mm
WillDaSnail: because I find the
WillDaSnail: stats in the item
WillDaSnail: synergizes well with him
WillDaSnail: CDR, nice AD, a nice amount of crit, arpen, and of course its active
z3rg3m3n: well I'll let the guide speak for itself
z3rg3m3n: I compared the pros and cons
z3rg3m3n: I personally almost never buy it
z3rg3m3n: but it's a fine item
WillDaSnail: hey I have a few questions for ya
WillDaSnail: regarding Trynd; mind if you answer them?
z3rg3m3n: go for it
WillDaSnail: what's the viability of using a full crit chance page on trynd?
WillDaSnail: like...in other words, how effective is it?
WillDaSnail: just wanted some input
z3rg3m3n: not very effective.
z3rg3m3n: that's wha tI used to run
z3rg3m3n: pre-rework
z3rg3m3n: and post-rework
z3rg3m3n: I tried it out
z3rg3m3n: and it's just
z3rg3m3n: terrible
z3rg3m3n: like terrible terrible
WillDaSnail: can you elaborate? lol
z3rg3m3n: well
z3rg3m3n: Tryn has a few issues post-rework
z3rg3m3n: brb
z3rg3m3n: 1sec
WillDaSnail: kk
z3rg3m3n: back
z3rg3m3n: sorry about that
z3rg3m3n: anyway
WillDaSnail: np
z3rg3m3n: here are the main issues with a crit chance page
z3rg3m3n: 1) top, you will be facing a tanky char who will most likely stack armor in runes/items/masteries
z3rg3m3n: so basically
z3rg3m3n: post-rework, the dmg steroid and crit dmg were massively reduced
z3rg3m3n: add on to that the fact that you're gonna be facing a very tanky char
z3rg3m3n: and your crits basically do 0 damage
z3rg3m3n: that was a huge thing about the rework.
WillDaSnail: ah....
z3rg3m3n: also
z3rg3m3n: Tryn has the issue of always being harassed in lane
z3rg3m3n: in fact
z3rg3m3n: many champs can zone him or make him very cautious
z3rg3m3n: which is why
z3rg3m3n: having resistances in runes
z3rg3m3n: is very beneficial
WillDaSnail: ah gotcha...
WillDaSnail: hmm
z3rg3m3n: same with movespeed
z3rg3m3n: good for positioning
z3rg3m3n: etc
z3rg3m3n: and yknow
z3rg3m3n: arpen is just for the dmg
WillDaSnail: true..
z3rg3m3n: you end up
z3rg3m3n: doing a LOT more dmg
z3rg3m3n: with arpen
z3rg3m3n: than crit chance
z3rg3m3n: furthermore
z3rg3m3n: your crit is now based on rage
z3rg3m3n: you get 35%
z3rg3m3n: so there's no real reason to stack more crit
z3rg3m3n: it's a hefty amount to be sure
z3rg3m3n: I'm personally loving the most recent changes
z3rg3m3n: I think Tryn is balanced now
WillDaSnail: ah gotcha
WillDaSnail: its just recently he has been the subject of forum QQing
WillDaSnail: people don't know how to counter him/play against him? o.o
z3rg3m3n: I'm used to it
z3rg3m3n: lol
z3rg3m3n: and yeah
z3rg3m3n: they don't
WillDaSnail: mm
WillDaSnail: even though i bought my full crit chance runes already, is it still OK to still use it on trynd
WillDaSnail: once in a while for the lulz?
WillDaSnail: (even though its not viable anymore, like you said)
z3rg3m3n: well
z3rg3m3n: you can do anything for the lulz
z3rg3m3n: I sometimies play ap tryn for lulz
z3rg3m3n: I mean
WillDaSnail: oh gawd haha
z3rg3m3n: you can do whatever as long as you have fun and don't ruin peoples' games, right?
WillDaSnail: yeah I guess xD
z3rg3m3n: That's the point of playing non-ranked
z3rg3m3n: or even ranked.
z3rg3m3n: I'm trying to be competitive in my new team LC
z3rg3m3n: so it's a bit different for me
z3rg3m3n: since we play for money
WillDaSnail: ah gotcha
WillDaSnail: hm alrighty, I think I'll give your build a shot sometime xD
WillDaSnail: also, I read about your views about the use of Yomuu's Ghostblade; is it still a great item on him?
z3rg3m3n: uhmm
z3rg3m3n: yup
z3rg3m3n: nothing has changed
z3rg3m3n: items-wise
WillDaSnail: but rushing it first not a good idea? (I sometimes do it)
z3rg3m3n: it's fine
z3rg3m3n: I think it should be rushed
WillDaSnail: oh okay
z3rg3m3n: if you're buying it at all
WillDaSnail: mm
WillDaSnail: because I find the
WillDaSnail: stats in the item
WillDaSnail: synergizes well with him
WillDaSnail: CDR, nice AD, a nice amount of crit, arpen, and of course its active
z3rg3m3n: well I'll let the guide speak for itself
z3rg3m3n: I compared the pros and cons
z3rg3m3n: I personally almost never buy it
z3rg3m3n: but it's a fine item