2011-10-16, 01:05 AM
Dark Link Wrote:>>Class Reorganization
>Chaos
>>Class Reorganization
>Jump! / Ascension
Yeah, they totally reworked how the classes are played in those updates.
I don't think you can deny that Thieves need to change their entire playstyle to be useful once more. This isn't a mere matter of just buffing some skills like they did in Jump, or adding new skills that buff old ones like Big Bang did.
Essentially, Thieves need to be rebuilt from the ground up. I agree that the old class names don't need a change, but saying it's still okay for Thieves to only have one attack skill (in the case of NLs) or being a Cardboard Warrior (in the case of Shads)....
If you're still okay with that, then something is terribly wrong with you.
Dark Link Wrote:Really? I've been playing since 2006 and I NEVER "Only" spammed one button as a White Knight nor Paladin before Big Bang hit.
My emphasis was more on the "2h onry herpaderp" statement. With the addition of Shield Attack scrolls and Potentials, Paladins everywhere are now actually WIELDING shields because *gasp* this way they don't exactly sacrifice their precious WATK, which I know you pro basterds love to death (not specifically referring to anyone here, but just sayin).
The problem with Thieves at the moment is that by looking at them, you can clearly tell that if you pit the two Thief advancements together (DB not included for obvious reasons) you'll find that Sins have it sooooo much easier. Only reason they cost so damn much is:
1)Claws are popular. Throwing ninja stars got popular once the Narutards got into Maple, which wasn't that far into the release. Not to mention amongst teenagers, ninjas>pirates.
2)The rarity of NPC bought claws. As it stands, the Kerning Weapon Dealer DOES NOT have any claws past a Garnier, which means that you have to be lucky to upgrade your current Beginner Wrist Guard. On the other hand, though, he sells lotsa knives.
3)The rarity of NPC bought stars. This goes hand in hand with #2. Because the only NPCable stars are Subis (we don't count NLC's Icicle trader for the sole reason he doesn't exist in kMS - at least not in the form we have), it makes altering damage hard, so badly that we have to rely on pros to be nice enough to loan us some decent stars. Of course, anyone jumps on them like a pack of hungry hyenas, because of the next reason.
4)Supply and Demand. Due to all of the above, the demand for anything Thief related (specifically Night Lord gear) is very high, but the supply is lower than the demand. This means that Thief gear as a whole is atrociously the most expensive stuff on the market. What this also means is that due to our innate greed (this is especially prevalent in gMS), anytime we see ANY Thief with valuable stuff, we try to mug him/scam him/trade him/etc, to get his stuff SOLELY for the purpose that we can make a profit.
To combat this, my suggestions are:
1)Develop new skills that rely less on stars, and more on other materials. Thieves get a lot of ETC slots during their advancements, and it doesn't help that stars are classified as Use.
The Iga Ninja often used whatever they could - including, but not limited to: oil jars, farm tools, poisons; the list is too big to mention here.
In other words, Thieves need more reliance on being crafty and using more than just shuriken throwing (this directly applies to Night Lords as a whole).
2)Drop some claws into the Kerning Weapon Dealer. This is self explanatory, because it also means that newbies will have an easier time keeping their damage consistent. As well, have the different level shops sell stars (at the very least, sell up to Kumbi tier in Ludi to ensure that we don't see Steelies lose their value entirely).
3)Have skills that actually rely on the usage of Dark Sight. Let's be realistic here, other than temp invulnerability, what other use does Dark Sight have when there's not really a skill that uses it as an opener? Even worse, what use is there when no skill in the current Thief repertoire actually benefits from Dark Sight (Haste does not count - we're talking solely combat usage here).
It's not like we can just drop Dark Sight either, because it's core to the very essence of what Thieves are all about!