2011-09-28, 08:07 PM
This argument is going nowhere. You are either unable or unwilling to address my points. I proved a scenario where having a bishop attacking, not hsing, not supporting, not doing anything besides attacking, is preferable to available alternatives. Imagining scenarios where that is not the case does not disprove the existence of scenarios where it is.
As far as permabeginners go, even the "paltry" (and lowball) 1800% damage/sec would be versus what, 120%/sec for a permabeginner? You aren't getting 15x the range of a bishop on a permabeginner. But feel free to undertake that quest in order to disprove me, it seems like that will be a par use of your time.
If: the hypothetical is logical
Then: Circumstances can exist where an attacking bishop, with no party skills whatsoever, is preferable to available alternatives for a party
Therefore: Bishops can be desirable as legitimate attackers, playing no support role whatsoever
In Conclusion: People shouldn't act as if bishops must be support only
And it doesn't take much permutation to imagine similar scenarios for a boss or anything else you think bishops aren't fit attackers for.
That's all I asked for, you had nothing, go chill out or cry more about your class
KhainiWest Wrote:You're trying to argue that a bishops damage output is actually worth ignoring your other party skills. That is incorrect and will always be incorrect.Even though I said several times to the contrary, sure, why not: how much a bishop values damage compared with support is entirely up to the bishop. Just like its up to you how much you value being able to have 20% more hp versus the extra damage you'd have as a BM. If you claim to decide for everyone the value of all their decisions, your attitude is orders of magnitude worse than a princess's and you need a stiff reality check.
As far as permabeginners go, even the "paltry" (and lowball) 1800% damage/sec would be versus what, 120%/sec for a permabeginner? You aren't getting 15x the range of a bishop on a permabeginner. But feel free to undertake that quest in order to disprove me, it seems like that will be a par use of your time.
Quote:How about the 7 other classes above it, the party skills that benefit eachother, and the fact not every person in the game has a fast 5 weapon. There, 3 instances off the top of my head.A party is six people, so of the seven, the attacking bishop and the bucc had no relevant party skills. In the hypothetical, everyone's speed is at the cap already. You're describing conditions that aren't the hypothetical. Nothing about the hypothetical is illogical.
If: the hypothetical is logical
Then: Circumstances can exist where an attacking bishop, with no party skills whatsoever, is preferable to available alternatives for a party
Therefore: Bishops can be desirable as legitimate attackers, playing no support role whatsoever
In Conclusion: People shouldn't act as if bishops must be support only
And it doesn't take much permutation to imagine similar scenarios for a boss or anything else you think bishops aren't fit attackers for.
That's all I asked for, you had nothing, go chill out or cry more about your class