Post ascension Bishop build

So you went line by line without a point, great. Here's my argument again. Assess an attacking bishop as an attacker. When building a party, they don't compete with HS for a slot, they compete with the weakest attacker, same as when building a party considering any other attacking class, taking into account everything the character has to offer. If you think its crazy to make an hsless bishop, that's certainly your business, I've never done it. But I think its a lot more than crazy to jump down my throat over a hypothetical I made to prove a point that you find expedient to ignore.

No sir there were plenty of points, otherwise you wouldn't be able to provide an argument. You're just not efficient enough to get the point it seems.

Point:
Power of an attacking bishop does not offset the experience increase from hs. That is fact. Assuming that you would waste two party slots for two bishop's, your only argument is that it possibly could do more damage than a buccaneer. Assuming it would, it still would not gurrantee each party member having a fast 5 weapon, and even if that were gurranteed, a buccaneer would still be chosen because two bishop's is redudent and worthless. The HS bishop can attack just as well as the pro-attack can.

To review:
You admit a bishop can exceed the attacking power of other classes (after unnecessary arm twisting)
I imagined a scenario where you can choose a bishop as an attacker for your party, or you can choose a weaker character of another class (with no other useful skills).

How realistic is that? Any character can be stronger than any other character, however with the odd's against you, and the circumstances you provided extrememly specific. A bishop would nearly require 8x the resources in comparison to a bucc to match DPS, possible, but not realist, and frankly a waste of resources to begin with because you're spending an atrocioius amount of money to not be the bottom of the DPS chart. Not to mention other party skills, or rush juggling that may or not be neccessary.

Essentially you're playing the what if game to justify bishops have other options. But if that were the case why is there only one very hypothetical situation vs the hundreds I could come up off the top of my head. You aren't winning an argument by providing a possibility, because I can tell you a million reasons why that in fact is
A) Illogical
b) Unlikely

If you choose the bishop, you are maximizing your party's exp. If you choose the other class, you are irrationally discriminating against the bishop, and slowing down exp for your whole party. If you want to be irrational you can, but it doesn't make me any less right

For a boss no, a buccaneer's barrel would be prefered over your minimum dps advantage, assuming your funded atrociously more. For training, possibly, but the ability to control mob's may argue otherwise, I don't play either classes so I can't give a full opinion on that. But as a drk, I know mob control is much more important than simply damage.

The only princess here is the one barking off commands about how other people should make their characters, I want everyone to be treated fairly, regardless of the path they took to create the character before ending up at the base of your ivory tower of irrationality asking for a party.

Telling people how to play? Are you upset because I'm essentially calling your class, who's entire skill tree argues against you, an insufficient dpser therefore a support class? Sorry that isn't telling you anything but the obvious. You can remain ignorant but I assure you, no one is going to take your character because of it's damage, like no one would take that 180 bishop on account of a weak 500% damage. Perhaps you should refer to joetangs chart posted yesterday to see your actual DPS vs a buccaneers, you'll look way less stupid.

Further down your line of reasoning: it is strictly inefficent for you to play a DK. You'd do more damage as a BM. You have no useful party buff anymore (in fact its a negative since it replaces self hb). Delete your character and cry, since you are no longer being efficient, and therefore the entire game is now pointless for you (aparently).

Sorry but that logic fails because you only support your stance with an asusmption and DPS. A drk can ignore 100% defence, a drk can provide 20% extra HP when necessary, a drk also can handle any circumstance, mob to 1v1, the jack of all trades if you will.

As a bishop, your damage is one of the weakest of the 3 tiers, none of your skills being very offensive, but merely party support defensive. I'm sorry you wasted your time creating a class not understanding it's obvious purpose, but you should possibly educate yourself of your own class, or provide math to justify it.

Note: I think that line of reasoning is dumb and its why I've aligned the opposing side of the argument with it. If a particular view of optimization is not the only concern in making characters, we can have fun. It's okay to optimize when you're wasting other people's time at a boss run or party play area. But to demand a particular build out of every class and character - and then to discriminate against dissenters especially when it's to your own detriment - is really, really stupid.

You know whats even more stupid? Ignoring facts of efficiency because you want to be different. You're essentially shooting yourself in the foot and demanding players accept that you don't have party skills that you're sought out for. No damage increase as a bishop, as a bishop no longer can 1-2 hit everything, like everyother class, will make the huge increase of exp from HS. Deal with it.

How far down the dps list do we go before 1v1 dps is no longer allowed to be an influencing factor? Because if you stop right before bishop, you're racist. Merely having another job we can do doesn't mean we can't do others. Bishops are a versatile class like that.

1854% on a 0% defence monster. Do you know how bad that is? Go look up the other classes such as bucc lmfao.

That's your opinion. They're two completely different things, and we have no objective metric to compare them. How much 1v1 damage is max bless worth? Dispel is worth how much party DPS?

Dispel is worthless for dark knights, we sit on top of the boss to avoid curses such as those, excluding seduce, which dispel doesn't help with.

Hey, here's an idea, when YOU make a bishop you can make that decision for yourself.

I have a bishop, although its pre-bb, but I don't see some massive damage increase equilavent to the other classes to justify my party specific needs.

In the LHC hypothetical, the bucc can't be taken logically. The point of the hypothetical was to illustrate the irrationality of discriminating against attacking bishops. It's not all about numbers, it's about everything a character has to offer - and one of those things that bishops can offer is damage. I created a hypothetical, of which there are many, where the attacking bishop was an option worth taking. Point proved.

Your situation being another class that provides no party skills, is specifically weaker, even though there is quite a gap in funding needed. It's like a bucc starts at ground level, while a bishop starts at sea level.

I'm starting to think this is really a bitter jealousy thing. Most other classes aren't good for anything besides attacking, and constantly have to deal with silly damage tier measures that put a ranking on everything they're good for. Now I come in and show categorically that bishops can attack - and with a funding advantage, better than other classes - and some people just cant handle it. They snap, lose all narrative function, and start responding line by line arguing about the viability of hypothetical man in the real world and random scenarios I couldn't care less about.

No I think you're just upset because you know in the real world no circumstances exist. You could not, would not ever find a bishop who could outdamage me. You used 500k as a place marker for "godly" bishop, and guess what. That's total sh`it. I did damage caps at a faster MS than lolangelray.

You know what the real world concern here is? When a bishop with 100% int shows up, outdamages most of the 5-person LHC party, and is still not allowed in because "they already have hs". When another powerful bishop goes bossing and - if they even get to go - is excluded from the main party in favor of doubling up a weak incarnation of a class already in the party because "bishops aren't attackers" - even though the run would've been quicker with the attacking bishop in the main party getting the right buffs.

I mean really, your perception of "godly" is such a laugh, 100% int?! HAHAHAHA. You're so amazed by these big numbers you don't see the bigger picture, such as speed, defense, and other advantages other skills give. You want to compare a dark knight to a bishop? Don't make me laugh. Were talking about a class who in an instant go from one of the heaviest hitters on the highest defence monsters, to dark impale, that heals/increases our critical, to increasing our base hp at all times at 60%.

It's because of irrational preconceptions. It's because of spoiled brats like you who think a class gets a slot by merit of the class it is, rather than what it can do for the party or run.

No kid its because people can do math. See you're trying to give bishops bragging rights with 500k damage. That ain't sh`it in the real goddam world. It shows how naive you are, how easily influenced you are by these crappy constructed dps charts to actually fool yourself into believing that you're more than your skill tree. Wanna talk about how useful your class is? You were cut off pink bean, while bucc's were sought after, because your party skills weren't helpful enough. We sacrificed too much DPS, becuase you know what, bishops dps sucks. And guess who discovered that? KMS? Oh you know, the ones who are most known for their teamwork?

Now unless you have something that's not "I wouldn't do that," "thats dumb," or "I have deep-seated confidence issues regarding my obsolete class," kindly refrain from wasting my time again.

Why you wasted enough time trying to justify you making a bishop for damage wasn't a waste of time.

Hint it was.