[0.99] Dat Pendant
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Viaje Wrote:Unless it is a relevant question, there is no reason for me to echo a fact which you already know.

I was hoping the visual would change your perception on the scenario, some people are better with picture books.

Viaje Wrote:Oh wait, more irrelevant dribble. Oh wait, let's childishly act like doing this serves a purpose. Oh wait, let's pretend people are psychic. Oh wait, let's pretend that someone refusing to answer a dumbass question is tantamount to avoiding the question.

Typically when someone gives a question with an obvious answer, then it's implying their statement all together is dumb. Avoiding it makes me feel like you don't want to see the difference. In other words "Back in the bubble i go!"


Viaje Wrote:How would everyone having a cheap and equal oppurtunity stop current equips from becoming irrelevant?
Thanks for, once again, using a paragraph to say nothing.
Marshmellows have no place in a discussion of economics.

You can blame your poor wording on that one, as you fortunately conceded.


Viaje Wrote:How much does it cost, on average, to get 30% Boss damage on a weapon?
These would give a disproportion advantage since you could easily get 8 Enhancements to pass with less than 2k NX.
In case you aren't aware "disproportionate" is a relative term.
The cost:return ratio is far more in favor of these, were they 100nx.

Throughout this whole conversation you completely destroyed any train of thought we were both on. I'm comparing 11k nx, you're comparing 100 nx. I simply stated that a cube is not much more. Both game breaking is the underlining factor. Cubes don't cost an arm and a leg, yet I would argue, have done much more damage than these scrolls could do, 11k nx respectively. If anything they should be worth double what a cube is worth.


Viaje Wrote:Again, it all comes down to cost versus return.
Wards would be necessary if they are so cheap.
I guarantee you that if you give someone 20k NX to spend either entirely on Wards or entirely on Cubes, the Ward user would get a bigger damage boost.

See above.

Viaje Wrote:If you don't know how the new Professions function, I'm not going to educate you.


It lowers the cost of cubing, it does not replace it.


Viaje Wrote:On average, no they don't.
If you think these are overpriced, then go peach about Pam's Songs.
Fact is, these scrolls exist purely for those like yourself who will go into a frenzy if you aren't constantly improving your damage.

Pam songs are two things in one, and can be reused, this is a one function scroll. Obvious no?


Viaje Wrote:Care to make that second sentence into a complete thought? Without doing so, I can't possibly fully understand what you meant to say.

Sorry, giving you way to much credit. I'm talking about enhancement scrolls, and the last thing I mention is scroll's, therefore I thought you could put it together yourself.


Viaje Wrote:You're operating under a strange assumption that these are a replacement for cubes; they aren't. In fact, they're a supplement.
They're meant to be a last-ditch effort to drain you of NX. If you don't like that, don't buy them.

No what I'm operating under is you say the scrolls should cost an arm and a leg, I say they don't.

Viaje Wrote:That said, why would you even think of using one of these on the first Enhancement of an item?

When you own items that have value, then even a 10% risk isn't worth it.


Viaje Wrote:>Making presumptions with utterly no basis.

I have said absolutely nothing in regard to my personal experience or frequency of using cubes. Basing your entire argument on such a grounds is rather shaky.

Fact is, like these Wards, Cubes are only rationally used as a last-ditch effort to strengthen oneself. The boost is not 'broken' because it requires an extreme investment to get the boost. If someone wants to throw $100 at the game, they deserve to do $100 worth of extra damage.

So if I throw $500 at the game, should I do $500 worth of cube damage or the inferior wards? I'm saying you don't have personal experience, or rather, far too little to make such comparisons.

Viaje Wrote:That's strange. I don't see where I've operated under the presumption that it's a gurranteed rate. All I've said is that, at a cost of 100NX (giving even a generous NX:meso rate of 50:1, only 5m), the cost of failing is negligible. I acknowledged that these operate assuming the scroll passes, but the odds are still not as highly stacked.

Assuming they don't inflate, which was my point of the "incomplete thought". I'm sorry but that's a pretty weak argument but oh well. I'll make sure to spell everything out to you in the future.

Viaje Wrote:I'm quite aware of what these items do, thank you very much.

As for your list, I wouldn't buy most of those items anyway.
- 10 Gach tickets would statistically result in a net loss anyway.
- My pet (and its equips) are permanent, because it was mathmatically moronic not to invest in them.
- Week long merchants are likewise moronic as I get better bang for my buck with a 90 day one that costs about half the price.
If you're going to argue that these are overpriced, you may want to present items that aren't, likewise, overpriced.

Cubes would be irrelevant at this point since, if you're spending money on these, your cubing is done.

Oh there goes my point over your head again. 11k nx can do a lot more than give you an item with one less slot but didn't blow.


Viaje Wrote:What you have demonstrated is that you have trouble thinking outside of your own little box.
Surprisingly, not everyone who plays Maplestory does so with a persistent need to flop their binary plantains out and size them up to everyone else.

Damage makes the game go round. Trying to tell me that because I enjoy efficiency renders my opinion useless because I don't understand the players who feel like they developed this false maturity of "Idc what others think I do things for me!" is just silly at best.

Viaje Wrote:What I do care about is missed personal opportunities.

Overpricing them to 11k nx is a pretty goddam missed opportunity.

Viaje Wrote:Were these cheap (1k or cheaper), it would be a naturally appealing way to squeeze a few more weapon attack out of a weapon. Of course, 1k adds up.
Were these priced reasonably (reasonable being used relatively on the scale that charges you over a dollar to reroll potential), I'd have absolutely zero issue shrugging them off and never having the fact that I haven't used them bother me.

Why would it bother you? What is your current % stat right now? You say you don't care, yet at the same time I see you have some type of envy of a player being able to do something, that you evidently can't because he has money. I'm sorry but your entire argument is in vain. You can't say the games damage bracket doesn't bother you then next sentence claim it does it's an opportunity you missed. So your solution to this is so that majority of the game can't do it, thus making it fair, specifically for you.

There goes your credibility, swish.
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