[0.99] Dat Pendant
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KhainiWest Wrote:How about answering it rather than avoiding it. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or you can't see the relationship between cubes and wards. Oh wait you argue you the difference so, uh your acting kind of sucks.
Unless it is a relevant question, there is no reason for me to echo a fact which you already know.

Oh wait, more irrelevant dribble. Oh wait, let's childishly act like doing this serves a purpose. Oh wait, let's pretend people are psychic. Oh wait, let's pretend that someone refusing to answer a dumbass question is tantamount to avoiding the question.

KhainiWest Wrote:No, they wouldn't because everyone would have a cheap and equal oppurtunity to gain those additions to their weapons, as cubes did. Assuming they would be this cheap, I seriously doubt, but the difference, which you're trying so hard to clarify is miniscule if not the same.
How would everyone having a cheap and equal oppurtunity stop current equips from becoming irrelevant?
Thanks for, once again, using a paragraph to say nothing.
Marshmellows have no place in a discussion of economics.

KhainiWest Wrote:No I got your point, you just don't wish to accept mine, I clearly attacked that "disproportionate advantage" with cubes being more expensive and having a bigger impact on the community. See 30% boss damage vs your lol10% DPS increase.
How much does it cost, on average, to get 30% Boss damage on a weapon?
These would give a disproportion advantage since you could easily get 8 Enhancements to pass with less than 2k NX.
In case you aren't aware "disproportionate" is a relative term.
The cost:return ratio is far more in favor of these, were they 100nx.

KhainiWest Wrote:How is wards necessary and cubes aren't. You could ward everything you own and still be inferior to someone with 120% stats. And nothing in chaos replaces potential. Provide your example otherwise.
Again, it all comes down to cost versus return.
Wards would be necessary if they are so cheap.
I guarantee you that if you give someone 20k NX to spend either entirely on Wards or entirely on Cubes, the Ward user would get a bigger damage boost.

If you don't know how the new Professions function, I'm not going to educate you.

KhainiWest Wrote:No but they give much larger results, period. If anything 11k nx is extremely overpriced for something that only work's once, and only adds 3 weapon attack on average.
On average, no they don't.
If you think these are overpriced, then go peach about Pam's Songs.
Fact is, these scrolls exist purely for those like yourself who will go into a frenzy if you aren't constantly improving your damage.

KhainiWest Wrote:I think this is a question I should be asking you. For me, 40-60 cubes (60k nx) which would be 5 slots, on a weapon, which 20 weapon attack, assuming all enhancements pass. Not even considering the possible inflation of these scrolls.
Care to make that second sentence into a complete thought? Without doing so, I can't possibly fully understand what you meant to say.

KhainiWest Wrote:My vip gun reached 8% total damage, 8% attack and 30% boss in about 34 cubes, then my ski's took 45 to get to 30% 3% all stats.

I'm sorry but the risk with a cube, is not worth 10x the "higher probability" to passing an enhancement, the first time anwyay
You're operating under a strange assumption that these are a replacement for cubes; they aren't. In fact, they're a supplement.
They're meant to be a last-ditch effort to drain you of NX. If you don't like that, don't buy them.

That said, why would you even think of using one of these on the first Enhancement of an item?

KhainiWest Wrote:I know you can't afford cubes, but in reality, cubes are the best investment you can make to gain any piece of equipment an insane broken boost. I don't know how you claim all this with limited experience with cubes. You just hear irrational stories and base your sense off of them.
>Making presumptions with utterly no basis.

I have said absolutely nothing in regard to my personal experience or frequency of using cubes. Basing your entire argument on such a grounds is rather shaky.

Fact is, like these Wards, Cubes are only rationally used as a last-ditch effort to strengthen oneself. The boost is not 'broken' because it requires an extreme investment to get the boost. If someone wants to throw $100 at the game, they deserve to do $100 worth of extra damage.

KhainiWest Wrote:Retarded. Honestly, you are acting like it's a gurranteed working slot. These aren't white scrolls, which is another 150m you'd have to invest, these just protect your item going bye bye. You're good at math, to pass 8 regular enhancments, with these "gurranteed" results, how many would fail in the process? Note for every failure is,

10 gacha tickets
11 cubes
Revival of a pet with auto pot, and all loots
A week long merchant


You get the point.
That's strange. I don't see where I've operated under the presumption that it's a gurranteed rate. All I've said is that, at a cost of 100NX (giving even a generous NX:meso rate of 50:1, only 5m), the cost of failing is negligible. I acknowledged that these operate assuming the scroll passes, but the odds are still not as highly stacked.

I'm quite aware of what these items do, thank you very much.

As for your list, I wouldn't buy most of those items anyway.
- 10 Gach tickets would statistically result in a net loss anyway.
- My pet (and its equips) are permanent, because it was mathmatically moronic not to invest in them.
- Week long merchants are likewise moronic as I get better bang for my buck with a 90 day one that costs about half the price.
If you're going to argue that these are overpriced, you may want to present items that aren't, likewise, overpriced.

Cubes would be irrelevant at this point since, if you're spending money on these, your cubing is done.

KhainiWest Wrote:So release an item and make the value of them completely over the top so no one can use them so you suck less?

Fair enough.
You do love your presumptions, doncha?

What you have demonstrated is that you have trouble thinking outside of your own little box.
Surprisingly, not everyone who plays Maplestory does so with a persistent need to flop their binary plantains out and size them up to everyone else.

Honestly, I don't give a pomegranate about how my characters fair on a universal scale. That's a losing battle.
What I do care about is missed personal opportunities.
Were these cheap (1k or cheaper), it would be a naturally appealing way to squeeze a few more weapon attack out of a weapon. Of course, 1k adds up.
Were these priced reasonably (reasonable being used relatively on the scale that charges you over a dollar to reroll potential), I'd have absolutely zero issue shrugging them off and never having the fact that I haven't used them bother me.
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