2011-06-21, 01:56 AM
Dark Link Wrote:Ashe and Annie were the "cornerstones" of balancing ranged DPS / carries around, but since Annie got some major buffs, Ashe is the only one that's left. Changing how she works can very easily make or break the entirety of the game, because it'll throw the entire game balance out of proportion.
Buffing her to be OP can make or break the entirety of the game, but nerfing her to be UP only changes about 20% of all games at most for the majority of players.
Quote:Nice to know you base your entire argument about me in ONE game. I never knew you only need to see / play one game to see how awesome / bad you are at LoL. What a joke.
What I said applies to me in general, but what I said to you that time applies to this argument we're having. Sorry for the confusion.
Quote:Yes, Kog'maw is so much more superior than Ashe, that's why he's still freaking terrible and never once saw play in any major tournament as of late.
Looking at champions as a whole, Ashe is superior to Kog'Maw.
However, in the particular scenario you opted for, Kog'Maw quickly becomes a problem because he has a very high raw DPS output compared to Ashe. DPS output in the form of auto-attacks (or R spamming if for some reason you like doing so) can be stopped definitively by killing the perpetrator, and it can also be stopped temporarily with hard CC. Ashe on the other hand doesn't have quite as high of a raw DPS output, or even the range of Kog'Maw, but she excels more with her utility and to a marginal degree burst damage. To stop her type of utility, other than the slow-lock, and/or the burst damage, you'd have to either hard CC her or kill her REALLY fast. Assuming tournament level of skill and reaction, the only champs that can do this reliably without Flash are champs with gap closers with built-in hard CC, both of which must happen near instantly. There are quite a number of them, but at the same time there's numerous more champs with gap closers that do not have built-in instant hard CC. Yet at the same time, people can make the argument that hard CCs are gap closers in themselves, but this is going beyond the scope of this argument, unless you want to stray off topic.
I'm very sure that gap closers would still exist even if Ashe were to never exist in the game in the first place. They are a counter to kiters and champs that benefit very strongly from positioning.
Quote:Funny, all I read was you trying to tell me how a garbage champion was better than the "Queen" of ranged carries and how you like to take jabs at me for watching streams more than I play. Sorry that I play other PC games other than LoL and I have to watch something to keep me entertained while doing so?
I don't mind the fact that you get more enjoyment out of LoL watching it than actually playing it. We all have our preferences. But I also have additional pursuits outside of LoL. Most people in this thread can attest to the fact that I'm usually not able to accept game invites when I'm logged on (sorry if it appears like I don't like you D=).