2011-06-16, 04:45 AM
i'll just answer liberally, the quoting has gotten too big for my liking
the whole point of my post as to say that adding dex wasn't required, that was the only thing i was trying to show, wether stereo did it or not months ago is not relevant, unless you mean the post a few pages back, in which he did the math with his nightlord equipment, i just showed the amount of dex these equips added by themselves, he did all the switcheroo in his NL, i showed the numbers the equips give, it's different.
about the "everything has attack" part, it's the simple fact that the more attack you have, the less effective it becomes, now, something i'd like to see is some formula for the best attack/stat distribution, i have several doubts of when attack becomes worst that %str, but for example, my DrK (nowhere near godly) benefits more from a htp, than a 12 attk MoN, i am sure this switches if i get more %stat, but these equips make sure to counter with loads of attack on their own
about the illusion of more options, sorry but no, remember what i said about hybrid being the best way? yea, the reason it was the best way, is because there were less efficient ways that people still chose to follow, i.e. the pure spear, or pure polearm drk, those still exist, albeit mentally instead of skill-enforced, so even though they are worse options, they are still options maybe not for me or you, who like efficiency, but to someone else who simply, hey, doesn't like polearms
about the "i was aware DrK used spears, thanks for backing up my point" i wasn't, since BB, spears haven't been the way to go, but polearms, back then we used spears because it was the best, now we use poles because they are the best, your suggestion of "taking the poles away" was a nerf, nothing more.
i don't get this though:
And the Sky Ski is a what? it's a spear, which became obsolete with big bang, my whole point wasn't "we used spears because they were the best" but "we used spears because if we use our best weapons (the polearms) the skill will take away from their power" once again, BB came and now we can use the better of our two types of weapons.
So your entire post is just going to be asserting what I've already said? Well, that certainly makes this easy.
this was regarding taking away all polearms, the only fast spear we would be left with, can't even get boss 30%, and as such, it's useless
Aw. Poo baby and your one speed. Too bad that couldn't possibly be remedied by making other balance adjustments.
excuse me for not having blindingly fast attacks where a 1 speed difference isn't that big (or at least we didn't, here comes impale) and you nowhere in your post suggested to "remove poles and make spears faster" you just said "poles for the arans, take it from the drK's, end.
Also, not all 1H BWs are Normal (6). And, yes, it is a moronic statement because you've shown that you missed the point entirely.
according to the ETL, which i checked before even making that comment, yes they are, or at least all of them excluding the "psb" duck tube, and pyrope, which is fast 5, and what point? the point where i am supposed to put words in your mouth? because you could have put some in mine and not argued about a lot of things both of us know, just for the sake of arguing
I've said plenty of times that I wish they made Palis use 1H axes/swords/BWs, Heroes use 2H axes/swords/BWs, and Dark Knights use spears. The entire purpose would be to ensure that all weapons had some worth/use. Axes and BWs could have their base attack/multipliers adjusted appropriately to make them on-par with swords.
you know very well it wouldn't work, first week the best paladin weapon would be known, and it would be the only thing everybody would aim for, same for hero weapon. and nice, 3 kind of weapons for heroes/pally's, and dk's stuck to spears, where it would be even more forced what to use, just saying, have you seen the aran forums in basil? "should i use an arcglaive or X?" "arcglaive" no questions, no doubts, nothing. just one weapon, better than all the others.
i do agree spears could be better, but we also have a better option available, the polearms, if anything, instead of you and me exchanging blows on what should stay and what should leave, we should question why nexon is trying to bury spears, note: bury them, not fix it by deleting poles from our ability and saying "lolfixed" while leaving us with subpar weapons.
and about the 1h, my mistake, i mistook the 130 with the 140 (which doesn't exist, this is what i saw)
![[Image: 01322097.png]](http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/patch/character/01322097.png)
Agares Bloody Hammer
1H BW - Warriors only
Set: (#18) Agares Bloody Set
Req Level: 130
Req STR: 400
Req DEX: 160
STR: +8
DEX: +4
Weapon Attack: +114
Accuracy: +50
PVP Damage: +5%
Charm EXP: +90
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
Fast(5)
8 slots
then again, was the "clouded mind" comment necessary? i swear, and i am telling you up front, what annoys me of you isn't that you insult people, but that you do on stuff i am sure even you don't believe, seriously? so because i said 140 means i couldn't have made a mistake and see a number wrong? if that's all it takes to have a clouded mind, i'd fear to see what you think a genius is.
@above: it was a typo from my part, i saw the 130 weapon as 140, which would mean it would work with lionheart set, when it doesnt.
the whole point of my post as to say that adding dex wasn't required, that was the only thing i was trying to show, wether stereo did it or not months ago is not relevant, unless you mean the post a few pages back, in which he did the math with his nightlord equipment, i just showed the amount of dex these equips added by themselves, he did all the switcheroo in his NL, i showed the numbers the equips give, it's different.
about the "everything has attack" part, it's the simple fact that the more attack you have, the less effective it becomes, now, something i'd like to see is some formula for the best attack/stat distribution, i have several doubts of when attack becomes worst that %str, but for example, my DrK (nowhere near godly) benefits more from a htp, than a 12 attk MoN, i am sure this switches if i get more %stat, but these equips make sure to counter with loads of attack on their own
about the illusion of more options, sorry but no, remember what i said about hybrid being the best way? yea, the reason it was the best way, is because there were less efficient ways that people still chose to follow, i.e. the pure spear, or pure polearm drk, those still exist, albeit mentally instead of skill-enforced, so even though they are worse options, they are still options maybe not for me or you, who like efficiency, but to someone else who simply, hey, doesn't like polearms
about the "i was aware DrK used spears, thanks for backing up my point" i wasn't, since BB, spears haven't been the way to go, but polearms, back then we used spears because it was the best, now we use poles because they are the best, your suggestion of "taking the poles away" was a nerf, nothing more.
i don't get this though:
And the Sky Ski is a what? it's a spear, which became obsolete with big bang, my whole point wasn't "we used spears because they were the best" but "we used spears because if we use our best weapons (the polearms) the skill will take away from their power" once again, BB came and now we can use the better of our two types of weapons.
So your entire post is just going to be asserting what I've already said? Well, that certainly makes this easy.
this was regarding taking away all polearms, the only fast spear we would be left with, can't even get boss 30%, and as such, it's useless
Aw. Poo baby and your one speed. Too bad that couldn't possibly be remedied by making other balance adjustments.
excuse me for not having blindingly fast attacks where a 1 speed difference isn't that big (or at least we didn't, here comes impale) and you nowhere in your post suggested to "remove poles and make spears faster" you just said "poles for the arans, take it from the drK's, end.
Also, not all 1H BWs are Normal (6). And, yes, it is a moronic statement because you've shown that you missed the point entirely.
according to the ETL, which i checked before even making that comment, yes they are, or at least all of them excluding the "psb" duck tube, and pyrope, which is fast 5, and what point? the point where i am supposed to put words in your mouth? because you could have put some in mine and not argued about a lot of things both of us know, just for the sake of arguing
I've said plenty of times that I wish they made Palis use 1H axes/swords/BWs, Heroes use 2H axes/swords/BWs, and Dark Knights use spears. The entire purpose would be to ensure that all weapons had some worth/use. Axes and BWs could have their base attack/multipliers adjusted appropriately to make them on-par with swords.
you know very well it wouldn't work, first week the best paladin weapon would be known, and it would be the only thing everybody would aim for, same for hero weapon. and nice, 3 kind of weapons for heroes/pally's, and dk's stuck to spears, where it would be even more forced what to use, just saying, have you seen the aran forums in basil? "should i use an arcglaive or X?" "arcglaive" no questions, no doubts, nothing. just one weapon, better than all the others.
i do agree spears could be better, but we also have a better option available, the polearms, if anything, instead of you and me exchanging blows on what should stay and what should leave, we should question why nexon is trying to bury spears, note: bury them, not fix it by deleting poles from our ability and saying "lolfixed" while leaving us with subpar weapons.
and about the 1h, my mistake, i mistook the 130 with the 140 (which doesn't exist, this is what i saw)
Agares Bloody Hammer
1H BW - Warriors only
Set: (#18) Agares Bloody Set
Req Level: 130
Req STR: 400
Req DEX: 160
STR: +8
DEX: +4
Weapon Attack: +114
Accuracy: +50
PVP Damage: +5%
Charm EXP: +90
Equip tradeblock
Platinum Scissors of Karma
Fast(5)
8 slots
then again, was the "clouded mind" comment necessary? i swear, and i am telling you up front, what annoys me of you isn't that you insult people, but that you do on stuff i am sure even you don't believe, seriously? so because i said 140 means i couldn't have made a mistake and see a number wrong? if that's all it takes to have a clouded mind, i'd fear to see what you think a genius is.
@above: it was a typo from my part, i saw the 130 weapon as 140, which would mean it would work with lionheart set, when it doesnt.