Empress's Minions drop Lv.140 equips.

I'm aware runs aren't free but they aren't exactly bank breaking either. Do people even use apples anymore? As for who gets what when Thats what the whole point system was for. If they get it and boom it with a 90% oh well so sad too bad get to the end of the line in the meantime heres some money from equips none of us need or we already got them. The way its being done now sure people get paid every step of the way but in terms of getting said equip your going to be waiting a while to gather up that 1.3b(which could have been spent scrolling the damn weapon or equip) from day one getting stronger and just selling everything else. The way you all are doing it now is just inefficient. instead of using them money you get from the runs to upgrade yourselves your using it to buy said equips then you gotta do more runs to get more money to scroll the thing which just takes longer.

No, they aren't bank breaking, but there's also nothing wrong with wanting to maximize the profit margin out of the runs. Back in December when we were the first to kill PB, we were selling our MW30's for the cheapest you'd see on the market and the reverse items were dramatically underpriced, cheaper than you see now even with all the hackers farming. Because holding onto something to get the absolute highest that <1% of the market is willing to pay is actually less profitable than selling for what 2% of the market is willing to shell out for.

The reason, I think, that you're saying the way we're doing things, or used to do things, is inefficient is because you're assuming the same baseline price for all items. Back during the large HT squad runs the items were standardized, mw20/30, TT30, Zerk30 and Gen30. Equips, afaik, weren't a big issue. If a shiner bow dropped, i'm pretty sure they were just given to a runner or sold for like 30% of it's worth. During PB, no one wanted the reverse so that wasn't an issue, and the MW30 was standardized and we had the set price for runners of a couple runs, but everyone could use it. No variation.

Empress is totally different. We're now talking about individual equipment, which isn't standardized. Claws are more expensive than BW's. But is it fair for someone to earn a weapon with less runs than another person? I don't really think so. What if the weapon is way below? Does that count? Say the gear that dropped is 2 lines or 3 lines, is that extra? There are all these extra variables that would make assigning credits a lot more difficult and undoubtedly some people would feel like they were getting the short end of the stick. This is avoided by giving everyone their splits for the sales and when you earn enough, you can buy for a discount if you're contributed enough.

As for the market You know as well as I do you marty's and maybe one other group will be doing this at all meaning you can practically price them at whatever the hell you want.

I used to think that too but I organized PB for a while and it's not the case. Having 10 mw30's is great, selling them is different. Reverse is more applicable. Timeless as well. We could've put the daggers and overalls up for 200m like you'd see when someone makered them but instead, in the interest of actually selling them in a timely fashion, we put them up for 70ish and 30-50 for the overalls. Keep in mind that the runners are putting their money into these runs for apples and wheels if the crashers mess up or whatever, sh'it happens lol, and as the host you want to get your runners their splits. Leaving items up for sale for two weeks because someone at some point will come along and buy them isn't cost efficient.

Yes, we run with apples and wheels. Those aren't free. While it's possible to do the run without apples, using them makes the run far more productive, especially when we're doing double runs because people don't have all the time in the world. Again, it's an issue of being cost efficient. Getting a guild pot for apples and wheels is a great idea that i've considered a little but I don't find it practical. Not everyone is married, not everyone runs, not everyone is available for the runs that wants to come, not everyone is invited, what if someone's donated a lot more than others, is there a reward for that person? Mandatory donations if you want to go on the run? And for those that aren't in the guild?

It's a great idea but in practicality it's more difficult when trying to trim the edges of the runners and get the most refined and efficient squad.

And the people who come to these events to help the boss runs along because as you said there's a learning curve your not gonna go in on the first day and clean house there will be failures. those who stay through the failed runs who come to the guild apqs to gather appels who donate to the guild fund to help with prequest items. Those people are dedicated to the runs and they shouldn't have to pay for the damn equip just because some people are too damn lazy to help out

If they are dedicated, they get this fancy discount and they get to come on the run. I'll refer back to pb as I feel it's the most applicable. In the month of off and on runs I helped organize, all the consistent runners made upwards of 2b. And that's not including the 4+ mw30's and 5 RoT's and a good dozen or more reverse equips that were on a mule that got hacked. I personally gave up 8xxm of my own splits to try and make up for that lost mule that I earned in subsequent runs. So you should be able to see that there's enough money to buy the equip if we get things streamlined. Keep in mind that we're not milking runners for cash, a 1b equip would be sold to a runner for 400m or so I anticipate. That's easily affordable after a couple runs.